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I think the limit on mine was the parking brake... I had to mount them about as you see them in that picture.
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I think the limit on mine was the parking brake... I had to mount them about as you see them in that picture.


Race cars don't need no stinking "parking brake"!! WTF
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I think the limit on mine was the parking brake... I had to mount them about as you see them in that picture.
Do you have a floater or a Big Torino end housing?

Did you take any pics as you were putting the rears on?
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Ron... How far down can one clock these rear calipers?




I'm hoping to be able to clock them far enough down\forward to keep from having to notch my frame rails for clearance.

Looks like the caliper attachment holes proceed almost to straight down??


Hey Lance !

When I designed the backing plates I included 4 sets of holes for the caliper brackets. The primary set is 90. Then I added 75 (rolling the caliper down) & 105 & 120 (rolling the caliper up). Don't be fooled by the two holes on the very bottom. They are for the parking brake cable bracket that is included, but not shown in the display photo.

In the photo, the caliper bracket (which is gloss black hard anodized on the production sets) is in the 105 position. That is where the caliper needs to go to miss the parking brake cable.

I designed the rear backing plates to allow us versatility. We can:
* Run the PB cable on top or bottom
* Mount the calipers in front of, or behind, the axle
* We can roll the calipers up or down within the 4 positions (75, 90, 105 & 120)

The backing plate & parking brake comes assembled
* If you can make the 105 or 120 positions, in front of the axle, with the PB cable on the bottom, then you just bolt it up as it comes out of the box.
* But if you, or any client, needs to move stuff around, you can. You just have to disassemble the PB assembly & reorient it to fit your needs.

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Do you have a floater or a Big Torino end housing?

Did you take any pics as you were putting the rears on?

Lance, Bryan has the Ford 9" with Big Torino ends. He was one of the first crash test dummies to install prototype parts. I owe Bryan a great debt, as he helped refine a few items on the kit.


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Race cars don't need no stinking "parking brake"!! WTF

I agree ! Parking brakes? What the heck?! LOL

In all seriousness, designing the "brakes" were easy. It was the parking brakes that took me a lot of time. But in the end, they're a nice setup.

These brake packages utilize the PBR 1-piece PB shoe. Same as C5/C6 Corvettes. Much cleaner than using 2-shoe designs. But talk about TIGHT ... the PB assembly "just barely" fits in the space we had. These shoes also require you to have your chi aligned to wrap it over the axle flange.

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Lance,

I did take some pictures. With the cluster-f that is Photobucket, I'm not as organized with them as I used to be. Let me dig up a few...

I ran into an issue (not of Ron's doing) where the Baer kit I had already installed had the parking brake cable (yeah, I have to pass inspection, since I pretend it's not a race car )attached to the mounting bracket such that I couldn't remove them. So I reused my bracket in place of the one Ron's kit has. The mounting holes on the backing plate were identical, so it was an easy switch. As it turns out, this was a piece of feedback to Ron that he should angle his bracket instead of it coming off at 90* from the backing plate. Otherwise, the cable has to make a really hard turn to avoid the inside of the wheel...

Not that I've had mine on and off a couple of times, I can get it together pretty easily. There are a couple of tricks to it, getting everything to align correctly. I got some extra practice because I discovered one of my axle bearing seals was torn when doing my final assembly, so it all had to come back apart to replace the bearing...

It definitely is a well made kit. Most of the work went into the backing plate and parking brake (from my perspective that's what it seems anyway). I'm ready to try it all out, if I can ever get my engine back. Grumble...

Let's see if I can post some pics. I went out last night and snapped a couple of the backing plate under the car with it all assembled, I'll post those first.







This one shows the parking brake bracket which comes with the kit:







This is still the bracket with the kit before I removed it:



Rear caliper:









One thing I ran into is that you have to install the 'cutout' piece of the backing plate (the 4 screws) before you mount the plate, otherwise you cannot get to the bottom 2 screws.

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I designed the rear backing plates to allow us versatility. We can:
* Run the PB cable on top or bottom
* Mount the calipers in front of, or behind, the axle
* We can roll the calipers up or down within the 4 positions (75, 90, 105 & 120)

Ron,

Based on the above, can the plates be switched side-to-side to allow the calipers to be mounted to the rear instead of the front? Never thought to ask that, and not sure if I want to. The parking brake cylinder would have to be reversed to do it, but I imagine that could be done pretty easily.

Even though I'm better at it now, I'm still not sure I want to pull them apart again.
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Ron,

Based on the above, can the plates be switched side-to-side to allow the calipers to be mounted to the rear instead of the front? Never thought to ask that, and not sure if I want to. The parking brake cylinder would have to be reversed to do it, but I imagine that could be done pretty easily.

Even though I'm better at it now, I'm still not sure I want to pull them apart again.
Absolutely. Knowing how car guys & hot rodders are ... I designed in a lot of mounting versatility in the rear kits.
* The calipers can mount front or rear. in 4 different orientations each.
* The parking brake cable can be mounted top or bottom.
* The parking brake cable & lever actuator can be swapped.

Most people need the caliper in front of the axle, because the coil-over shocks & springs are mounted on the rear & outboard. So the rear brake packages now ship with the backing plate & parking brake components assembled for the caliper to mount in front.

But in the rare situation a person needs the calipers to mount behind the rear axle, they simply swap the PB lever assemblies & then swap sides with the backing plates. Then they can mount the calipers in the rear.

I appreciate you assembling one of our first prototypes. Hopefully you'll get your engine back soon & go run them!

- Ron Sutton


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Thanx Ron... Clearance wouldn't be an issue for me. Now you have me thinking, I might switch them up. Not much else I can do right now anyway...
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