I really hope a TRUE muscle car wins the OUSCI in 2012

[Flash68]

I'm not lookin to be a sh!t starter here but I check out the autoX/road race section at Vetteforum fairly often and.....

Here's the Vette guys patting themselves on the back....

and a little cheap shot at Sielow by Popp in there too.... classy.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...eed-today.html

[Vegas69]

Being fast in a Corvette is like getting rich from winning the lottery. (Insert Jack Off Emoticon)

[JustinB]

Jody's post shut them up. Lol!

[ironworks]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

Being fast in a Corvette is like getting rich from winning the lottery. (Insert Jack Off Emoticon)

So your going to play that card. Just buying any car does not make you fast. You have to put the time in behind the wheel. Driving school would help 90% of the field at these events before one fancy ass part will do anything to anyone to make then actually know what they are doing.

If someone in this industry went out with a purpose built car for this event and knew how to drive they could really show guys what's up. Stielow and Kyle tucker and a few others are doing what they can with a 1st or 2nd Gen Camaro. But they have limited themselves to what can be done when DSE is doing what they can with parts they can sell to bolt on to every Camaro that was never designed to do what they are doing with them under the limitations a 69 Camaro is going to have. When you go buy a new Corvette, the technology difference between a Corvette and a covered wagon is about the same as a 69 Camaro and new Corvette. Sure they probably make more new parts for the that 69 Camaro to get it closer to the Vette. You can listen to all the marketing hype all day long, But the problem is your still trying to race that "1969" Camaro. The low end Vette comes stock with tires, a Camaro needs crazy special parts to fit. The sheetmetal over hang on the Camaro is 10 times more then a C6 Vette. The fuel tank position sucks in a Camaro. The aero package of a Vette is far more advanced then a Camaro. The unsprung weight of the aluminum control arms is far superior.

The 1969 Camaro will kill the vette everyday of the week in Visual appeal. Until some one does what lay Brian Hobaugh did with his and probably go further, Then with a top notch driver with a tested and tuned car will you ever see it. From what I know Brian is an autocross guy and more points are put on the road course at the Optima deal. Somebody needs to completely rethink a Camaro, and really learn how to drive. Then it will happen.

But at what point will it not be a "STREET CAR"?

[Vegas69]

It was a jab back at the competition. Naturally, a modern Z06 Vette gives me a huge advantage over my Camaro before driving skill comes into play. There is no disputing that. I couldn't do it in a Z06 so I'm not taking anythign away from the winner. I'm simply saying the cards are stacked in one direction.

[ironworks]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

It was a jab back at the competition. Naturally, a modern Z06 Vette gives me a huge advantage over my Camaro before driving skill comes into play. There is no disputing that. I couldn't do it in a Z06 so I'm not taking anythign away from the winner. I'm simply saying the cards are stacked in one direction.

The cards are only stacked because you choose to stack them that way.

[Flash68]

Rodger, I didn't realize you owned a Vette.

[73CPCAMARO]

Originally Posted by ironworks

So your going to play that card. Just buying any car does not make you fast. You have to put the time in behind the wheel. Driving school would help 90% of the field at these events before one fancy ass part will do anything to anyone to make then actually know what they are doing.

If someone in this industry went out with a purpose built car for this event and knew how to drive they could really show guys what's up. Stielow and Kyle tucker and a few others are doing what they can with a 1st or 2nd Gen Camaro. But they have limited themselves to what can be done when DSE is doing what they can with parts they can sell to bolt on to every Camaro that was never designed to do what they are doing with them under the limitations a 69 Camaro is going to have. When you go buy a new Corvette, the technology difference between a Corvette and a covered wagon is about the same as a 69 Camaro and new Corvette. Sure they probably make more new parts for the that 69 Camaro to get it closer to the Vette. You can listen to all the marketing hype all day long, But the problem is your still trying to race that "1969" Camaro. The low end Vette comes stock with tires, a Camaro needs crazy special parts to fit. The sheetmetal over hang on the Camaro is 10 times more then a C6 Vette. The fuel tank position sucks in a Camaro. The aero package of a Vette is far more advanced then a Camaro. The unsprung weight of the aluminum control arms is far superior.

The 1969 Camaro will kill the vette everyday of the week in Visual appeal. Until some one does what lay Brian Hobaugh did with his and probably go further, Then with a top notch driver with a tested and tuned car will you ever see it. From what I know Brian is an autocross guy and more points are put on the road course at the Optima deal. Somebody needs to completely rethink a Camaro, and really learn how to drive. Then it will happen.

But at what point will it not be a "STREET CAR"?

I will chime in here and give you my $.02. The only way an older car will come close to Danny in his borrowed Corvette or anything like it is to build a car like mine, Steilows, or Bad Penny type. Danny is an incredible driver with a well preppared Corvette.

I don't like to give excuses, but, the format for OUSCI and the autocross was stacked against me, Mike Maier, and a everyone else that had to run first. I was one of the first 5 cars out in the morning. About 25 cars were in each group and we were told to run in decending order per our car number. I was number 47 of 52 cars. Danny was #14 and Mary was #15. I believe Danny was the just about the last car to run before Mark Steilow, who went last in the first group. When I ran, the course was still wet in places and very dirty. By the time Danny ran, the course was dry, warmer, and cleaner. I am not saying I would have beat him, but I would have been right there with him.

My car was and still is in the tuning stage. By the end of this summer, my car will be much faster than it was at OUSCI 2011. It already is.

As long as newer cars like the Corvette and Nissan GTR are involved in the same competition, the only way the older cars can compete is to radically change the car towards "race car" IMOP. Lighter, faster, major suspension change.

Brian

[Flash68]

Brian, just go beat him this year so we can all be happy.

[73CPCAMARO]

Originally Posted by Flash68

Brian, just go beat him this year so we can all be happy.

I would love to represent the "True Muscle Car" group.