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Old 09-23-2009, 11:54 PM
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Angry Calling ALL pro's, I JUST CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!

okay, my starter issue has rose again! Every time i turn the ignition, i hear grinding, bad grinding, sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesnt, battery is FULLY charged, oil is topped and has break in mix, trans is topped with atf, it just does not want to start, why am i having this issue!! could it be my timing is not 100% perfect, that is miss fires and requires the engine to keep turning, weird thing is, even if the engine was miss firing, it wouldnt sound the way it does, this is a LOUD grinding. Engine is brand new, starter is brand new and SHIMMED, the pinion gear comes out, sticks to the flywheel when ignition is hit, and goes back in once the flywheel turns. I have spent way to much time reading and asking people what to do, i have no where else to turn to!

Also, anyone in VANCOUVER BC or LOCAL, please, help me, ill pay you in beer!! (or coffee) or if you rather have cash!
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Old 09-24-2009, 07:12 AM
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First, if you want a Pro I believe Blake at Killer Customs is in BC. I don't know how close. He is a vendor to the left here. Look under Speed Tech. That is his company as well. How did you pick the correct shims for the starter. A good rule of thumb is to use a medium paper clip as a gauge. Pull the pinion out of the starter so it engages the teeth on the flywheel and lock it down with something. With the Chevy mini starters I just use a wooden wedge. Then straighten the paper clip out and stick it in between the tip of the pinion gear tooth and the root of the flywheel teeth. This should slid in with minimal drag. If it is loose adjust your shims. If it will not go in, adjust your shims. I have helped several friends with this. All had shimmed them based on just getting the pinion to engage. When they were too tight, they made a horrible grinding noise. Anyway I hope you find the issue. Sorry for the long post if you have already done this. Good luck!
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That is good information, I'll have to remember when I do mine.
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does the paper clip suppose to slide in when the teeth of the pinion are meshed up with the fly wheel gear or when the teeth tip to tip?
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I think he's saying the tip of the starter tooth and the valley of the flywheel teeth.
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You need feeler gauges and pin type feeler gauges. You need to check the distance from the end of your starter pinion to flywheel and the distance from the tip of your starter tooth to the flywheel indention. If those are both dialed in correctly, your starter will work flawlessly unless you have chewed up your flywheel teeth. I have to run but there are specs for both measurments. If you starter is to close to your flywheel, it nose must be shimmed as shown below. My advice is to find both specs and make sure they are within tolerance. I bet they aren't.

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Todd I was trying to find the post where you told me how to check. Your too fast for me.
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does the paper clip suppose to slide in when the teeth of the pinion are meshed up with the fly wheel gear or when the teeth tip to tip?
You would use the "paper clip version" (about .035 to .040") to check the space (gap) between the ROOT of the flywheel and the tooth of the starter pinion... a view like this.... if this works using the keyboard here.

So that gap is checked between these two points = <.< = The first < being the root in the flywheel - the second is the tooth of the pinion on the starter. The dot is the end of the paperclip. EXCEPT that I can't place the DOT in the crotch of the V's using my keyboard.

Make sense??

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Todd --

No offense - But I think your demo is incorrect...

What you're trying to set is the gap BETWEEN teeth....
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okay,

i have a starter that looks like this,

http://www.transmissionadapters.com/...i%20torque.jpg

and one that looks like this,

http://i17.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/33/a1/d814_1_sbl.JPG

i am currently using the second type of starter, and when i engage the starter, the pinion pops out, and the gap between the "< <" (meshing of the pinion and the flywheel) is the diameter of a large paper clip. The pinion pops out, BUT does not retract back UNLESS the flywheel is turned, which, i turned manually when i was trying it out, it went back in.

When i use the 1st starter, pictured in the first link above, the pinion is already out, and touches the flywheel when mounted, i removed all shims to make it fit, but still have problems! so i went back to my old one.

I think im going to call someone to check it out, and just pay to get it done, because at the end, ill go through 5 starters!
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