1st gen bolt in roll bar - five point harness

[69MyWay]

Hey guys,

I'm looking for a bolt in bar/harness system for my 69 Camaro that will allow a five point harness AND I can still have a back seat passenger.

What are my options?

[69MyWay]

hey guys...if my goal is to have a solid secured 5 point harness and roll over protection - while not attempting to pass tech for NHRA... Right now the car has lap belts. My wife has input in the process and has her foot down on any sort of "cage" that makes enter/exit and back seat use a problem.


What do you think about getting one of these in a FOUR point version and the bolt in plates.

http://www.jegs.com/instructions/555/rollcage.pdf


I could cut to fit - tack weld - then take to a pro...but build this so that the shoulder bar slides up and down kind of like the ride tech - but not so intrusive or expensive.

Thoughts?

[Vegas69]

Back seat and roll bar don't belong in the same sentence. Take your pick, family mobile or race car......

[69MyWay]

Here is a pic from a Foose Camaro - They advertise as having a 4 pt cage - and 5 point harness.

How does this one work?

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2006/12/medium/7061222.002.Mini10L.jpg

[69MyWay]

Back seat and roll bar don't belong in the same sentence. Take your pick, family mobile or race car......

Where's the fun in that?

[Vegas69]

Just speaking from experience. Look at that photo you posted. Your passengers head is going to be right next to the rear down bar. These back seats are tiny. I had the same thoughts as you in the fabrication stage. Once the 4 point roll bar was installed I knew nobody would EVER ride back there. It's just to dangerous. Have you considered a modern 3 point set up like Morris classics instead?

[69MyWay]

Just speaking from experience. Look at that photo you posted. Your passengers head is going to be right next to the rear down bar. These back seats are tiny. I had the same thoughts as you in the fabrication stage. Once the 4 point roll bar was installed I knew nobody would EVER ride back there. It's just to dangerous.

Good point. Still no fun in that :rofl:

I hadn't thought about the head issues for side impact...etc. for a back seat person. What you are saying is this bar (even if the shoulder one was moveable) would be right where you head needs to be just to sit in the rear.

I know Detroit Speed built a bar for Kyle Bush - that went from B pillar to B pillar and could be removed (one - off) to hold the shoulder harness.

I called them - since it was a one off - not much else can be taken from that vs. just going in the shop and fabricating.

[Vegas69]

That's a good idea, except your not supposed to have a 4-5 point harness without a roll bar. In a roll over you can't move. Ultimately it's up to you. I would never put any type of roll bar in a car meant for the family. They become two seaters once that roll bar goes in the car. You can go pretty damn fast with a 3 point seat belt. Look at the ZR1. I've autocrossed at a very competitive pace and road raced once and didn't feel they were a neccessity. They would be nice in a road race at the highest levels with these cars.You need a good set of supportive seats however.

[69MyWay]

Okay - so scrap that - how about this:

http://www.rickscamaros.com/product.asp?pf_id=SB-69&dept_id=3463&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Interior+-+Seat+Belts+-+Replacement+Seat+Belts-_-SB-69-_-X


I have a set of 1985 Corvette seats in this car - very supportive.

[Vegas69]

That's your best option in my opinion for a usable back seat and modern front seat belt safety.

[69MyWay]

Belts are on the way.

Man! You just saved me a TON of work...to end up having a useless backseat.

[Bowtieracing]

I am going to use same belts at front. But 4 points at rear to keep rear seaters not hitting their heads to roll bar.

[Vegas69]

That won't do it, it's just to tight without major re routing of rear bars.

[jr421]

Ok I was considering installing a roll bar too, I guess I need to re-think the entire concept. If you put the roll bar in and the rear seat (even though its not usable) it could get used and to me that is a safety issue. Is everyone just not using their rear seats in the cars with roll bars?

[Vegas69]

Alright guys, this is the best looking model I could find. :rofl: I'm 5"9 and my hat is rubbing the ceiling. The roll bar is within 4-6 inches of my ear.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/RollBar002.jpg

[Bowtieracing]

That won't do it, it's just to tight without major re routing of rear bars.


How about padding the rear bars and moving seat positions bit closer to center?

[69MyWay]

Alright guys, this is the best looking model I could find. :rofl: I'm 5"9 and my hat is rubbing the ceiling. The roll bar is within 4-6 inches of my ear.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/RollBar002.jpg

Wow...if the car went sideways...got hit - turned over (in normal city driving) - that would HURT!

[DFRESH]

Alright guys, this is the best looking model I could find. :rofl: I'm 5"9 and my hat is rubbing the ceiling. The roll bar is within 4-6 inches of my ear.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/RollBar002.jpg

Sexy Beast.

[Garage Dog 65]

Couple good threads in the interior tech section for street car roll bars.

Here's one:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=8448&highlight=roll+bar

Seems like the only safe option is to design and install a bolt-in Roll Bar and cross support unit - and ONLY install it for track usage when you use a helmet.

Jim

[jr421]

Todd thanks for the picture, there is noway thats going to fly with people in the back seat. I guess you go to a 2 seater or you forget the roll bar.

[skatinjay27]

LOL it todds car you dont even have to be moving for it to be unsafe to sit in his back seat!!! yeah unless it a youngin strapped into a car seat theres really just not enough room for it to be safe, even if the rear down bars out and up as close to the roof/pillars it still wouldn't be safe.

[jr421]

I could put my two 15 year old twin boys in the back of Todds car and let him drive them around the block a few times and maybe he could knock some sense into their heads.....lol just kiding boys :thumbsup:

[rogue]

great and quick way to kill a family member or friend you don't like....

No cages on street cars.... They do more harm than good.

[Vegas69]

This brought back an old memory. I remember taking a girl out on a date and getting busy in the back of my 68 Camaro. That was the day I realized just how small that backseat was. When the seat frame broke it was kind of a buzz kill. :rofl: :rofl:

[deuce_454]

how about the tiger cage?? it has some passenger friendly bends and looks great imho.. especially considdering it doesnt need painting

http://www.ridetech.com/tigercage/images/08-tiger-cage-page_18.png

[victionone]

How about a roll bar with the main hoop permenately welded in, but with removable rear struts and back brace?

[Tony@AirRideTech]

The TigerCage's are engineered and developed application specific and they are designed to clear factory interior appointments. They are engineered to structurally strengthen the body of the car by picking up specific mounting points / planes of the body. We are currently working on our certification for them, The one you see here is with the Road race door bars. :thumbsup:

[jr421]

Todd -

I hope you finished, youth and enthusiasm will always get it done! I guess I am getting old.

[69MyWay]

The TigerCage's are engineered and developed application specific and they are designed to clear factory interior appointments. They are engineered to structurally strengthen the body of the car by picking up specific mounting points / planes of the body. We are currently working on our certification for them, The one you see here is with the Road race door bars. :thumbsup:

Yep...I called you guys the other day and talked about this cage. In fact, I'm hoping there will be some examples at the muscle car challenge.

I love the bar and the up/down slide of the shoulder bar. That is genius.

I just can't swing the price tag. I think it is a good value for the money, just too far out for me. Getting it certified is huge, and will help justify the price.

[jr421]

X2 On the price comment its a very pricey alternative.

[DRJDVM's '69]

I'm in the same boat.... I really want a cage for the strength and like a 4 point belt..... but am worried about the rear seat. I'm trying to figure out a safe way to have some form of harness bar without a big hoop and down bars.

[Jimmy Sean]

Check out Carl Casanova's bar.

Post #9

http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34827&highlight=ROLL+BAR
(http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34827&highlight=ROLL+BAR)

[Fluid Power]

let me throw this into the mix...How about seat belts and convertibles? Think a lap belt is good enough?

Darren

[ironworks]

This one was pretty far out of the way.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Rich%20Allen%20camaro/11-11-2008shoppics010.jpg

[69MyWay]

Hey guys...so here is the final action based upon the start of this thread.

I'm proud to say I just wrapped up the install of some super nice Morris Classic 3 pt belts yesterday.

These are beautiful belts. I had the pleasure of talking with Billy and learning a bit more about them - such as the stainless brackets that are powder coated - high grade strength bolts...and safety rating up to 3,800 lbs on the front belts.

They meet and exceed standards for the auto industry.

They installed quickly and easily. I was concerned how the roof part would attach, but that wasn't an issue at all.

http://www.morrisclassicconcepts.com/index.htm