Ironworks Tig welding and Sheetmetal training seminar

[ironworks]

Someone suggested that we should put on a training seminar to show others how we do some of the work we do to help the home builder improve their own quality of work. We earlier this morning I posted up I might be interested in doing some kind of seminar. I have had 3 people give an informal RSVP already.
SO here we go.

May 20-22, 2011 or June 10-12, 2011 At my shop in Bakersfield. We will do it so pretty much anybody from wherever could be here and just miss 1 day of work.

Friday at 3pm til 7pm followed by Dinner at a great local restaurant
Satruday 8am til 5pm followed by dinner at a great local restaurant
Sunday 7am till 11am. We will let out in time to catch the majority of afternoon flights out of here.

I have found there is a few flights from Phoenix to Bakersfield, that get here about 12:45 on Friday. There are quite a few destination that leave from Bakersfield after 12pm on Sunday also. So I think anybody could connect from whereever into Bakersfield for this weekend event.

With the training we plan to have 6 instructors with 2 students each for the 16 hour weekend seminar. It will be 100% shop time, not boring lecture. All work will be hands on. We plan to tune the class to each individual's desired goal. We will be prepared for Tig Welding Sheetmetal, Metal finishing sheetmetal, Tig Welding chassis type material, We can also do some design stuff, you want to learn how to set and design to build that crazy project into your own car. I think at this point we will limit the class to 12 students. The cost is going to be $650 bucks. We will supply snacks and beverages during class time, but all meals and hotel plans would not be covered. You will need to bring your own welding helmet and gloves.

The Hampton Inn off of Merle Haggard road is a very nice hotel, and would be a great Hotel that is very close to the airport and my shop. My shop is about a half mile away from the airport and hotel. We will handle all your transportation needs while your here, from the airport to the hotel, from the hotel to the shop and to dinner each night and back. You can ask anybody who has been here, I have some good food spots. Greg will tell you about the Italian restaurant we have here. You will eat well while your here.

You will not be building a mail box or a flower pot you will be working on actual car projects to show how the work applies to what you doing at home.

Reservations will be held by complete payment for the Seminar.

Email me with any questions. Or just post up your comments or ideas in the thread. [email protected]

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[1969x11]

Wish you were closer, you cant even get the local shops here to talk to you!!They are like I'm tryin to run a business here go away. Lookin forward to seeing the tri-five chassis your sending this way.

[ironworks]

Wish you were closer, you cant even get the local shops here to talk to you!!They are like I'm tryin to run a business here go away. Lookin forward to seeing the tri-five chassis your sending this way.


Plus I heard that big time shop near you is full of smokers. Who needs 2nd hand smoke when your trying to learn.

Yeah let me know what you think. It will be a nice piece when the owners gets it under the 57. The 57 only had 8900 original miles. Crazy.

I wish you could join us Kevin, it would be fun. You and your little buddy need to come out here for the reunion in October.

[scherp69]

Roger, you should film some of the how to tips so guys like me that are no where near you could buy the dvd, grab a beer and learn.

[DRJDVM's '69]

That sounds cool.

I could probably do sat and Sunday but Friday would be tough. What about an option to attend 2 days? That I could do ......

[DOOM]

Rodger is that date set in stone??? Your killing me!!! Thats my GM paint certification week in Detroit..... I am trying as we speak to get the date changed but they may not let me do it.....

[Ox65]

Great idea.....I hope it goes really well and you feel its worth it to continue to do them.

I would love to do it now,But I'm buried. I been thinking of taking an tig class at Lincoln Eclectic, I'm sure I would get more out of your class.....Plus an nice mini vacation.

[ironworks]

Rodger is that date set in stone??? Your killing me!!! Thats my GM paint certification week in Detroit..... I am trying as we speak to get the date changed but they may not let me do it.....

That is really all I have in May. I have only free weekend in June. In between Colorado Goodguys and La Roadster show in Pomona. But it can start to get warm out here in June. Not like July and August but still pretty warm.

[Flash68]

Rodger that's a really cool deal you are doing. Kudos.

[HWY Nova]

Rodger,

Thanks for the invite, but my time is booked! At this rate, I won't be able to take on anything else until mid-2013.


--Eric

[ironworks]

Rodger,

Thanks for the invite, but my time is booked! At this rate, I won't be able to take on anything else until mid-2013.


--Eric

Who said you were invited. I have you buried in Solidworks work. You really need to take a vow of poverty and come work here full time. You know it's not about the money it's how you feel when you get home.

[HWY Nova]

Who said you were invited. I have you buried in Solidworks work. You really need to take a vow of poverty and come work here full time. You know it's not about the money it's how you feel when you get home.

Rodger,

I stand corrected. Thank you for the clarification.



--Eric

[CRCRFT78]

Are you having these both weekends or just which ever weekend works better for everyone? I would love to be there, May would be cutting it close for me but will try and squeeze it in the plans if June isn't offered. I've had a new Lincoln Precision 175 TIG just sitting in my garage begging to be used. What machines will you be teaching on?

[coolwelder62]

sounds cool.I hope these go over real well.I would love to atend later in the fall.Scott:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

June is the only weekend that works for me -- count me in if it's the June date.

I don't care how much I THINK I know -- I can learn more... besides -- it's another excuse to get together with a good group of buddies - so no matter what I'll make the effort! :woot:

As much as I'll be in California in May and June I might as well get a place down there! :rofl:

[out2kayak]

Any chance of publishing a YouTube video series so that the folks who don't live anywhere near can glean nuggets of knowledge?

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

That sounds cool.

I could probably do sat and Sunday but Friday would be tough. What about an option to attend 2 days? That I could do ......

You're too tall to be good at welding.....

[youthpastor]

You're too tall to be good at welding.....

that's funny:D

Going to Pleasanton in August- Ned...you guys going?

[ironworks]

Roger, you should film some of the how to tips so guys like me that are no where near you could buy the dvd, grab a beer and learn.

This kind of work is not just a bunch of tips per say. Tips only speed up the learning process. My intention is to be able to have someone standing there that knows what they are doing that can say, "No your doing it wrong do it like this, Ok close but more like this". We have been trying to answer question in Mario's thread in the paint and body section for months. Mario has all the tools and according to his story, still can't do it. Now I know if Jason got on a plane and arrived at his body shop and walked up to the same machine he has at home he could do his magic. Then Mario could sit down with the same tools and be in the same position as before. But if Jason was to show him how he does it and help him through it, pretty soon Mario's results might improve. The tools and the book smarts only get you so far. Teaching some one how to metal finish a panel cannot be taught on film. Just like you can not teach someone how to drive on a you tube video. On camera metal finishing just looks like BANG BANG BANG BANG. But in real life it is 4 precisely placed hammer blows to move the metal right where you want it. Metalfinishing is like dealing with your old lady, you have to have things go bad a few times to know how to avoid those problems of issues in the future. Then someday you learn when to keep your mouth shut and bite your tongue, or choose your words wisely and you look like a pro. Then pretty soon you get good enough to tell all women what they want to hear.

I'm not sure I see this class happening a few times a year, maybe. But I'm not sure most guys have enough commitment to put in the time and the effort needed to truly want to master this craft. To most it is just not that important.

[DOOM]

I'm in for June Rodger..........!

[Stuart Adams]

I could probably retire treating the flash burns. Lol jk. Looks fun

[MoparCar]

That is really all I have in May. I have only free weekend in June. In between Colorado Goodguys and La Roadster show in Pomona. But it can start to get warm out here in June. Not like July and August but still pretty warm.

Awesome opportunity and a great thing for our hobby-Thanks!

Will you have a display at the Colorado Goodguys or a car/truck? Auto X?
I'll definitely be going since it's near. It would be great to see your work in person.

Wes

[Ketzer]

It sounds like this is for guys who already have a decent skill-set and jut want to go to that next level? I have a nice tig, know how to turn it on but that's about it. I'd still think about coming just for the experience and camaraderie. I bet those 12 spots fill up quick.

Jeff-

[coolwelder62]

Can some one tell me what a Tig welder is used for.

[GregWeld]

Can some one tell me what a Tig welder is used for.

It's used to destroy expensive parts that need to be joined via a metal melting process.

[Ketzer]

Can some one tell me what a Tig welder is used for.

I use mine to hang a like-new welding jacket on... :_paranoid

Jeff-

[DOOM]

It sounds like this is for guys who already have a decent skill-set and jut want to go to that next level? I have a nice tig, know how to turn it on but that's about it. I'd still think about coming just for the experience and camaraderie. I bet those 12 spots fill up quick.

Jeff-

Jeff thats about it for me to !! Thats why I'm not passing this up.. Roger or who ever I get is going to have there work cut out for them thats for sure..:D

[ironworks]

It sounds like this is for guys who already have a decent skill-set and jut want to go to that next level? I have a nice tig, know how to turn it on but that's about it. I'd still think about coming just for the experience and camaraderie. I bet those 12 spots fill up quick.

Jeff-

My plan was to figure out the skill level of those guys who wanted to come and put them with guys who would be good teachers in that sector. Jason expressed interest in learning to TIG weld heavier metals and different alloys, So I would put him with an old employee of mine who is returning that can weld everything - well. I think Mario would be best to work with Brycen or Henry in on how to TIG weld sheetmetal.

This class would be good for guy to that can TIG weld well enough to keep the tungston out of the puddle. It may not be a row of dimes coming out from under the torch but teaching someone how to sharpen tungston for 16 hours would be a long weekend. But if that is where you at, bring it on. In reality this is a class for a guy who is getting started, they might have a machine they have used or have access to a machine. They have all the stuff but can't get it to work, yet.

But if you know the class is coming you might work on getting some practice before of just how to " WALK THE CUP". But if somebody wants to learn other things just speak up. We can work something out for you no problem.

[CRCRFT78]

I've got about 40-50p hours of TIG welding practice (not that it means I know anything), what would you suggest for your classes? Maybe joining Mario with Brycen or Henry.

[ironworks]

I've got about 40-50p hours of TIG welding practice (not that it means I know anything), what would you suggest for your classes? Maybe joining Mario with Brycen or Henry.

If your desire is to work on sheetmetal. Yes

If you want to work on other materials and thicker stuff I have another plan.

I'm kind of waiting till I get a full class and then spilt people up accordingly then.

You sound like perfect guy who wants to improve his skills

[1969x11]

Plus I heard that big time shop near you is full of smokers. Who needs 2nd hand smoke when your trying to learn.

Yeah let me know what you think. It will be a nice piece when the owners gets it under the 57. The 57 only had 8900 original miles. Crazy.

I wish you could join us Kevin, it would be fun. You and your little buddy need to come out here for the reunion in October.

If you could get George Dickel and Camel cigarettes to sponser it me and my short friend would be there. Seriously I would love to attend but I cant swing it this summer.

[Ox65]

Like I said,I hope you continue this series. I NEED this class....I just can't do it now. Its money well in my mind,Plus its going to be fun I'm sure.

[GregWeld]

TTT


Come on guys -- don't tell me you're building a high dollar big time PT car and you can't dig up enough $$ to build a skill in your hobby that you'll use the rest of your life.... This is 1/3 of what a set of decent aluminum heads sells for! Or in this 'group' two tires!:unibrow:

[DOOM]

TTT


Come on guys -- don't tell me you're building a high dollar big time PT car and you can't dig up enough $$ to build a skill in your hobby that you'll use the rest of your life.... This is 1/3 of what a set of decent aluminum heads sells for! Or in this 'group' two tires!:unibrow:

I agree Greg !!! Well said..

[FaBrycation]

I've got about 40-50p hours of TIG welding practice (not that it means I know anything), what would you suggest for your classes? Maybe joining Mario with Brycen or Henry.

I think for those of you that have some experience with the tig basically need to decide what you want more of out of this class, tig welding thicker metal is a totally different beast then sheetmetal. When you weld on sheetmetal that needs to be metalfinished you aren't as concerned with laying down nickels as you are controlling your heat and not warping your piece. Where as with thick metals you want a nice row of nickels that has the proper penetration. It would be hard to teach both because along with welding sheetmetal comes the time that will be spent teaching proper metal finishing technique.

I hope this helps some of you who are considering this class. I am excited to share the skills that I have learned in my 6 years in the business!:woot:

[Mkelcy]

I'm very interested in this.

What is the status of these seminars?

Are both likely to be given?

Is there space remaining in both?

[ironworks]

Just trying to figure out what date has the most interest. Mario asked to try a later date so I set up the June date. He also said he would dinner one night that weekend. But Brycen one of my guys said he is unable to attend the June weekend. June and July are busy months for my shop. Once I have the 12 people nailed down I will finalize the teachers for each discipline. Plus get any extra equipment needed like welding machines located.

I hope to have a solid head count by the end of this week.

[Mkelcy]

Just trying to figure out what date has the most interest. Mario asked to try a later date so I set up the June date. He also said he would dinner one night that weekend. But Brycen one of my guys said he is unable to attend the June weekend. June and July are busy months for my shop. Once I have the 12 people nailed down I will finalize the teachers for each discipline. Plus get any extra equipment needed like welding machines located.

I hope to have a solid head count by the end of this week.

So it's one or the other of the two dates?

[ironworks]

Unless I'm totally surprised and have that many people sign up it will be one or the other. What weekend is better for you? So far most people seem to be available for both and only one guy, Mario had issues with the May date.

The majority of guys who have shown serious interest seem to have the attitude they would come hell or high water was the vibe I got.

[CRCRFT78]

I think for those of you that have some experience with the tig basically need to decide what you want more of out of this class, tig welding thicker metal is a totally different beast then sheetmetal. When you weld on sheetmetal that needs to be metalfinished you aren't as concerned with laying down nickels as you are controlling your heat and not warping your piece. Where as with thick metals you want a nice row of nickels that has the proper penetration. It would be hard to teach both because along with welding sheetmetal comes the time that will be spent teaching proper metal finishing technique.



At this point I'd like to focus on TIG welding sheetmetal and the metal finishing. I've got a 63 Nova that will need a few panels and some minitubs first. Then if Rodger does this a second time I can focus on TIG welding the thicker metals.

Once I have the 12 people nailed down I will finalize the teachers for each discipline. Plus get any extra equipment needed like welding machines located.



I will try my hardest to get there in May. It would be foolish to pass up on this at this price. Just compare the prices of some of these similar classes and you'll see this is a real good price. Would bringing our own machines help out?

[GregWeld]

Would bringing our own machines help out?


Mario said he'd buy a new Miller Dynasty 200DX for every participant that signs up for the JUNE class.... :rofl:


Too bad Brycen can't teach the June class -- I had planned on welding his zipper shut.

[FaBrycation]

Too bad Brycen can't teach the June class -- I had planned on welding his zipper shut.

Well being that my zipper is as far up as you could reach on me, I will make sure I watch what you are trying to weld at all times!:rofl:

[Matt@BOS]

Mario said he'd buy a new Miller Dynasty 200DX for every participant that signs up for the JUNE class.... :rofl:



I wasn't going to say anything until I figured out which month would work better, but now it goes with out saying. June it is!

Rodger, this is a great idea. Tig welding is something I would like to learn. I need to make sure I'm free, but as it stands now, I either date would work for me.

Matt

[Fbodyboy]

Could your class help someone who hasn't tigged before. I use a mig a lot but haven't had access to a tig to use.

[HotRod68Camaro]

I wish i could make this. Too bad im going to be out of country for work

[DOOM]

Mario said he'd buy a new Miller Dynasty 200DX for every participant that signs up for the JUNE class....
Too bad Brycen can't teach the June class -- I had planned on welding his zipper shut.

Greg your killing me!!!:lol:

[HWY Nova]

Rodger,

Stop asking me to come..... I told you that I was too busy. This is bordering on harassment.


--Eric

[ironworks]

Rodger,

Stop asking me to come..... I told you that I was too busy. This is bordering on harassment.


--Eric

OK, I will stop. But what are you doing posting. Am I going to have to run my truck into that telephone pole by your house again to knock out your internet to get some more chassis work done? You know I will do it.

[ironworks]

Mario said he'd buy a new Miller Dynasty 200DX for every participant that signs up for the JUNE class.... :rofl:


Too bad Brycen can't teach the June class -- I had planned on welding his zipper shut.

Thanks Mario, My wife an all her friends just signed up and we opened the class to 36 students. You might want to pray for hail, since you own a body shop and all.

[novanutcase]

Metalfinishing is like dealing with your old lady, you have to have things go bad a few times to know how to avoid those problems of issues in the future. Then someday you learn when to keep your mouth shut and bite your tongue, or choose your words wisely and you look like a pro. Then pretty soon you get good enough to tell all women what they want to hear.

So THAT'S how you hooked up with Shannon!:lol:

You are one smooth mofo!!:bow:

BTW please make sure they get the penetration when they're welding on my car!!:unibrow: :rofl:

John

[DOOM]

Thanks Mario, My wife an all her friends just signed up and we opened the class to 36 students. You might want to pray for hail, since you own a body shop and all.

Roger.......... Mr Weld will spot me the money until the hail comes!!:D

[GregWeld]

BTW please make sure they get the penetration when they're welding on my car!!:unibrow: :rofl:

John



I was told that you had requested to add some more lightening holes and that we'd be practicing with the plasma cutter.

[GregWeld]

Roger.......... Mr Weld will spot me the money until the hail comes!!:D


Your check is in the mail.....


and you know the other two lies. :rofl:

[DOOM]

How we lookin Roger !!! Come on guys!!!:willy:

[Ketzer]

I want to go. My knowledge is very basic so everything going on will be priceless to me. I was waiting to see how fast the class filled up and who was attending. If it came down to an extra body was needed to make it happen, I was gonna try and jump in, but I dont want to waste a spot at the table for someone who is counting on this.

Jeff-

[PASD U]

<<<Very envious of anyone that can take advantage of this.

[DarkoNova]

This is awesome, I have family in Bakersfield, so I could go "visit" them for a bit and then go tour the shop and learn some stuff. :cool:

[DOOM]

I want to go. My knowledge is very basic so everything going on will be priceless to me. I was waiting to see how fast the class filled up and who was attending. If it came down to an extra body was needed to make it happen, I was gonna try and jump in, but I dont want to waste a spot at the table for someone who is counting on this.

Jeff-

This is awesome, I have family in Bakersfield, so I could go "visit" them for a bit and then go tour the shop and learn some stuff. :cool:

Come on down!!!!

[ironworks]

Well it looks like the June date is better, Alot of people don't care either way. So How many people will put up money for the class in June? I have 3 people confimed that have said they will be there. Greg Weld, War, and Doom. I have had a few other guys that have asked lots of questions and show some interest. Most a rookie's which is not quite what I had intended. I was trying to get guys who know atleast know how to strike an arch not have to learn how to keep you tungston out of the puddle all weekend. I would described it as a BMX course where we teach guys how to ride BMX. So You don't want to have to learn how to ride a bike for the first time on a BMX course, you just need to get some seat time on the bike before trying to learn BMX.

SO I'm not really sure. The 3 guys who I have said they will be here I think are good for the money, But I really need 12 guys to be able to give a fat stack of cash to the teachers who will be giving up their weekend.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

[QUOTE=GregWeld;344771]Mario said he'd buy a new Miller Dynasty 200DX for every participant that signs up for the JUNE class.... :rofl:

No thanks I'll just take the money :unibrow:

[70 chevelle]

Whats the closest airport to you?

[ironworks]

Bakersfield. It's about a 1/4 mile away.

[70 chevelle]

Excuse my ignorance but is bakersfield a small airport ? I dont see a direct flight and Ohare usually has a direct flight to most places. Would you happen to know if your airport code is bfl?

[ironworks]

It's small. Nothing direct except Las Vegas, Denver and Phoenix. And for the oil field guys, Houston.

It's usually pretty simple. A 1 stop flight most anywhere.

BFL sounds right

[nvr2fst]

Excuse my ignorance but is bakersfield a small airport ? I dont see a direct flight and Ohare usually has a direct flight to most places. Would you happen to know if your airport code is bfl?


Ohare to Phoenix than Bakerfield is the quickest. But you are always limited to flights out. When I visit Ironworks I fly nonstop into LA and rent a car for the drive up (gives me a chance to enjoy a little of CA.) You have way more choices flight wise direct to LA, the time to get there with car rental is the same as the layover flights and the direct flight is less expensive.

[CRCRFT78]

Rodger I sent you a PM.

[elitecustombody]

Rodger, how often do you guys set up this type of seminars?

[ironworks]

Rodger I sent you a PM.

No pm yet.

[ironworks]

Rodger, how often do you guys set up this type of seminars?


This is our first one. We have have about the response I thought we would have. I either need to raise the price for a smaller class or have less instructors per student. I have had alot more rookies sign up then expected. Which means I need more machines which means once again raise the price. I'm trying to pay these guys that instruct 2.5 times their regular wages to give up their weekends.

Plus June seems to be the much better week for students but not instructors.

[elitecustombody]

This is our first one. We have have about the response I thought we would have. I either need to raise the price for a smaller class or have less instructors per student. I have had alot more rookies sign up then expected. Which means I need more machines which means once again raise the price. I'm trying to pay these guys that instruct 2.5 times their regular wages to give up their weekends.

Plus June seems to be the much better week for students but not instructors.

Gotcha. But why not make another one in fall or winter?That way you can keep the costs down and keep same instructors per student,so everyone gets better quality education. :D I really would love to attend, but it will be impossible this time,hope you can set up another one or make it more regular.Just a thought.

[GregWeld]

We have a saying around the Seattle Yacht Club...... Do it once, it's a tradition!

:rofl:

[ironworks]

Well we had a decent response on the training class. But not enough to pay the instructors the money they deserve for giving up their weekend. Plus I would have to rent some extra machines for the weekend so the rookie guys could have as much time behind the helmet as possible. I think it is just the wrong time of year, alot of graduations happen at this time and some of you guy have not seen sunshine in months.

SO, I'm thinking of trying this class after the summer. October 14-16, 2011 sounds really good for me. The following weekend is the Hot Rod reunion here in Bakersfield. And I will be back from Ft Worth, Goodguys. I'm going to work on pricing for a more beginner class. Plus having it this far out will help all you guys plan better.

Sorry I hope this does not screw anybody up.

[CRCRFT78]

What about bringing our own machine. Would that help pricing?

[ironworks]

Maybe But I have to have work benches and power sources for all the extra machines also. I was planning on more technique then a basics class. With more time to plan we will be able to put it all together

[elitecustombody]

Well we had a decent response on the training class. But not enough to pay the instructors the money they deserve for giving up their weekend. Plus I would have to rent some extra machines for the weekend so the rookie guys could have as much time behind the helmet as possible. I think it is just the wrong time of year, alot of graduations happen at this time and some of you guy have not seen sunshine in months.

SO, I'm thinking of trying this class after the summer. October 14-16, 2011 sounds really good for me. The following weekend is the Hot Rod reunion here in Bakersfield. And I will be back from Ft Worth, Goodguys. I'm going to work on pricing for a more beginner class. Plus having it this far out will help all you guys plan better.

Sorry I hope this does not screw anybody up.

That sounds great. I'm sure you'll update us once you come up with more info:cheers:

[DOOM]

Bummer Rodger.... I agree it gives everyone more time... Now I'm going to have to buy Weld a ticket to Chicago and a few bottles of wine....:D

[GregWeld]

Bummer Rodger.... I agree it gives everyone more time... Now I'm going to have to buy Weld a ticket to Chicago and a few bottles of wine....:D

Better get Tim Bruning if you want to learn how to TIG sheet metal without warping it.... or Jason... I weld mine up - then beat it with a hammer till it gets covered with bondo. :D :woot:

[GregWeld]

Mario....

You know those body work tools called dollies.... I use one of those like it's an anvil. Beat the welded area until the metal is paper thin and stretched 'til it oil cans.... then slice the area with a cut off wheel and weld that up.... Do this numerous times per panel. The welding experience gained is well worth the replacement panel you'll need when you're done. :willy: :willy: :willy: :woot:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

^^^^^:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DOOM]

Mario....

You know those body work tools called dollies.... I use one of those like it's an anvil. Beat the welded area until the metal is paper thin and stretched 'til it oil cans.... then slice the area with a cut off wheel and weld that up.... Do this numerous times per panel. The welding experience gained is well worth the replacement panel you'll need when you're done. :willy: :willy: :willy: :woot:

Y.F.K.M Greg!!!:rofl:

[GregWeld]

Just trying to be helpful... and share my darth of carnal knowledge and lack of any real skill....

[DOOM]

Just trying to be helpful... and share my darth of carnal knowledge and lack of any real skill....

Good .... When you want to come out east and start sharing?:D

[DOOM]

Better get Tim Bruning if you want to learn how to TIG sheet metal without warping it.... or Jason... I weld mine up - then beat it with a hammer till it gets covered with bondo. :D :woot:

I may try and talk Jason into coming to Chicago for a weekend. I like that idea Greg... I'll have to see what it will take :yes: