'13 Ford Shelby GT500 most powerful production V8

[fleetus macmullitz]

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The supercharged 5.8-liter powerplant in the new 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 has been officially certified as the most powerful series production V-8 in the world, Ford says.

The massive engine was just Society of Automotive Engineers certified as producing peak output of 662 horsepower and 631 lb.-ft. of torque. Ford has said it expects the car to have a top speed in excess of 200 miles per hour. The GT500, made by Ford in Flat Rock, Mich., is the most powerful version of the Ford Mustang.

Yet even with an amazing 112 horsepower more than the 2012 model it replaces, the souped-up Mustang will get 1 mile per gallon more on both the city and the highway. Its EPA-estimated gas mileage is 15 mpg in the city and 24 mpg on the highway, for 18 mpg combined. Ford points out that it won't have to pay the gas guzzler tax even though the car's horsepower output is matched only a handful of exotics costing upwards of $100,000. Price of the new GT500 is yet to be disclosed.

Ford, in fact, couldn't help but throw in a jab: GT-500 will get 5 mpg more highway gas mileage than the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, which has 82 fewer horses. In a continuing sore point for Ford, Camaro handily outsells Mustang.

Ford says the GT500's power is fairly consistent across the curve.
How does it get there? Ford points to a combination of the new TVS 2.3-liter supercharger, twin overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder.

"Our goal is to create outstanding all-around performance cars, not just stoplight-to-stoplight sprinters," said Jamal Hameedi, SVT chief engineer. "We've backed up this amazing powerplant with a more refined chassis tuning that helps keep the rubber on the pavement without punishing the driver's spine and six-pot Brembo brakes that dissipate speed with ease stop after stop."

[z4me69]

i'll take the camaro any day of the week

[wiedemab]

I can certainly appreciate both the ZL1 and the GT500 - -neither are even remotely in my price range so......

From a styling perspective the Mustang wins hands down in my book. That being said, the Camaro has grown on me. The Camaro gets points in my book for still employing a push-rod V8, but you can't argue with the output of the Mod motors these days.

It's a good thing for our hobby that the Camaro vs. Mustang pissing match continues.............Keep fueling that fire!!!!!

[Vegas69]

Insane amount of power in a modern Mustang. I bet the ZL1 spanks it everywhere but in a straight line and maybe there.

[DOOM]

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The supercharged 5.8-liter powerplant in the new 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 has been officially certified as the most powerful series production V-8 in the world, Ford says.

The massive engine was just Society of Automotive Engineers certified as producing peak output of 662 horsepower and 631 lb.-ft. of torque. Ford has said it expects the car to have a top speed in excess of 200 miles per hour. The GT500, made by Ford in Flat Rock, Mich., is the most powerful version of the Ford Mustang.

Yet even with an amazing 112 horsepower more than the 2012 model it replaces, the souped-up Mustang will get 1 mile per gallon more on both

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city and the highway. Its EPA-estimated gas mileage is 15 mpg in the city and
24 mpg on the highway, for 18 mpg combined. Ford points out that it won't
have to pay the gas guzzler tax even though the car's horsepower output is
matched only a handful of exotics costing upwards of $100,000. Price of the
new GT500 is yet to


Ford, in fact, couldn't help but throw in a jab: GT-500 will get 5 mpg more highway gas mileage than the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, which has 82 fewer horses. In a continuing sore point for Ford, Camaro handily outsells Mustang.

Ford says the GT500's power is fairly consistent across the curve.q
How does it get there? Ford points to a combination of the new TVS 2.3-liter
supercharger, twin overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder.














"Our goal is to create outstanding all-around performance cars, not just stoplight-to-stoplight sprinters," said Jamal Hameedi, SVT chief engineer. "We've backed up this amazing powerplant with a more refined chassis tuning
that helps keep the rubber on the pavement without punishing the driver's
spine and six-pot Brembo brakes that dissipate speed with ease stop after



























stop."



BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA!!!!!:rolleyes:

[PhillySpeedNYC]

I had one of these new Shelby's on order through Galpin Ford and I canceled it to buy a Mach 1 Pro Touring for many reasons.

I bought a 2012 ZL1 and for the money the car didn't do crap for me, cheap interior, wheel hop, terrible stereo and no real Nav. My ZL1 actually blew up its driveshaft in under 800 miles, same POS crap the 5th Gen has had since 2009. I quickly traded for a 2012 CTS-V and I think the V is one if not the best GM built car today. My Camaro had an interior worse than a 40 year old american car, it was all thermoformed ABS plastic.

The Shelby will be over 65k + tax, and if you decide to sell it plan to loose 20k right off the bat in the first year or so. I wasn't willing to do that because in the end its just another high production car with no rarity. Don't get me wrong its freaking amazing looking and the performance is the pinnacle of the modern muscle car world hands down but i honestly love vintage versus modern any day so in my case i have a little of both. If I didnt have the CTS-V maybe the Shelby would be a neat daily driver.

point here is for anyone considering selling your pro touring for a new modern muscle car, dont do it unless you can have both and dont care about loosing your shirt. If i hit a lotto or something i will buy a Shelby to use as a donor to build the sickest pro touring 69-70.:)

[4mm]

I agree with your assessment of the ZL1. Additionally, the new GT500 WILL spank the ZL1's ass.

[Matt@BOS]

They should be fun cars. I think the handling might surprise a few people, especially if it is noticeably better than the '11-12 models, which do surprisingly well, in my opinion.

If they're using the same standard by which they rated last year's cars the '13s will likely be putting down around 580 on a chassis dyno.

Matt

[Flash68]

point here is for anyone considering selling your pro touring for a new modern muscle car, dont do it

Most people are here because they already know this or have already done the opposite of what you are saying. :D

[FETorino]

Insane amount of power in a modern Mustang. I bet the ZL1 spanks it everywhere but in a straight line and maybe there.

Funny I was thinking the exact opposite. I wonder if we are biased :lol:

Your Camaro is purdy, a 67 or 68 is real purdy, that new ZL1 is .........I guess just saying NOT is the polite description.

[HRBS]

Insane amount of power in a modern Mustang. I bet the ZL1 spanks it everywhere but in a straight line and maybe there.

In stock form, it sucks. Unless you are cruisin at +40mph you cant hammer it. My friend was shopping for a "new ride" and really wanted the Shelby but it was so uncontrollable.
Another huge setback is its still a solid rear axle and we felt every crack in the road. The car spun out and was not so "performance" friendly. It proved that no matter how powerful an engine is, its the whole package that matters.
He wound up buying a GTR. :willy:

[Vegas69]

Funny I was thinking the exact opposite. I wonder if we are biased :lol:

Your Camaro is purdy, a 67 or 68 is real purdy, that new ZL1 is .........I guess just saying NOT is the polite description.

Nah :D

[Track Junky]

If I was going to spend 65k on another car I'd build another '69.

[tjtucker]

The GT 500 is pure over kill for the street. There is no way to get the power to the ground unless you have drag radials.
I know I had a 2008 Saleen and the car would just blow the tires off in 1st and second and it was only making 360 rear wheel horse power.

If I was going to buy another Mustang I would save 30K and buy the Boss. The boss is plenty fast for the street and just a better all around car.
The proof was when Top Gear USA tracked it against the Roush supercharged Mustang and the Boss was faster. Since the Boss can be purchased for under sticker it might be a "Best Buy" as far as new cars go.

I have had fast I would rather have a cool PT car which is street friendly and motor on.

TJ

[Lowfast]

Wonder what that engine as a "crate" is going to cost? I am a Ford guy and glad to see the DOHC engines finally come into thier own with this and the new 5.0 (It would be awesome to see a high compression NA 5.8 made out of this package as well.)

Really could care less about the ZL1 vs GT500 debate, you love what you love and really logic is out the window when the GM vs Ford debates start.

[GregWeld]

Personally I'd just buy an S63 and an R8..... :willy: :rofl:

[Sieg]

Personally I'd just buy an S63 and an R8..... :willy: :rofl:

What! No M3? :D

[NOPANTS68]

That Shelby might as well make 1000 hp. I see a bunch of injured dentists and lawyers coming soon. lol I watch these cars at the track run high 12s at 150 mph and slip and slide all the way down. It's a cool horsepower war, but adding 19 inch tires to a two ton car with a stick is recipe for bodywork for either car. I watched a CTS-V make a pass the other night. It wheel hopped so bad I thought the back window was gonna snap. Cool.

[Vegas69]

Personally I'd just buy an S63 and an R8..... :willy: :rofl:

Yuppy

[Matt@BOS]

Yuppy

Clearly, you have an automatic, red, C6 Corvette, everyone is considered a yuppy to you.

Matt

[FETorino]

Clearly, you have an automatic, red, C6 Corvette, everyone is considered a yuppy to you.

Matt

Red auto is that your wife's car? ::D

The GT 500 is pure over kill for the street. There is no way to get the power to the ground unless you have drag radials.
I know I had a 2008 Saleen and the car would just blow the tires off in 1st and second and it was only making 360 rear wheel horse power.

If I was going to buy another Mustang I would save 30K and buy the Boss. The boss is plenty fast for the street and just a better all around car.
The proof was when Top Gear USA tracked it against the Roush supercharged Mustang and the Boss was faster. Since the Boss can be purchased for under sticker it might be a "Best Buy" as far as new cars go.

I have had fast I would rather have a cool PT car which is street friendly and motor on.

TJ

Boss Laguna Seca model is all you need. I have the same sickness as most on this site so I'm spending more on a Torino than the cost of the GT500....:faint:

Did I just admit that?:rolleyes: I hope my wife doesn't look at this thread... :_paranoid

[J-440]

Most powerful production V8 in history? Did'nt the 69 ZL-1 in the Camaros and the 2 Vettes produce over 600hp WITHOUT a supercharger and also with pushrods? Granted they could'nt handle worth a dam and got crappy mileage, I think Ford needs to retract that statement.

[FETorino]

Most powerful production V8 in history? Did'nt the 69 ZL-1 in the Camaros and the 2 Vettes produce over 600hp WITHOUT a supercharger and also with pushrods? Granted they could'nt handle worth a dam and got crappy mileage, I think Ford needs to retract that statement.

Did they produce over 662? If not why would they retract it? Were COPO cars really production cars?

In the end it just means Chevy has to up the hp of the new Vette so even if your a Chevy guy its not a bad thing. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

The highest published horsepower figure by Chevrolet back in the musclecar heyday was 450 (a few C2 427 Corvettes and the '70 454 LS-6 Chevelle SS) which was higher than any other manufacturer in that era, to the best of my recollection.

[J-440]

Ok well now we are talking production numbers, maybe I should retract my statement. I'm one of those rare Mopar guys that thinks the HEMI is way overrated. Good motor but ridiculously overpriced. I give respect where its due and Ford has definitly upped its game.

[J-440]

Yeah but advertised HP vs crank HP were way off. Manufacturers lied to the insurance companies not to mention the opposition on what was really under the hood. 426 HEMI with 425HP...ha!! An LS6 with 450HP...yeah right. Old timers will tell you this. Man the 60's were great and I was born too late!!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Yep, there are plenty of us old-timers here that lived it.

And it was great.

[FETorino]

Yeah but advertised HP vs crank HP were way off. Manufacturers lied to the insurance companies not to mention the opposition on what was really under the hood. 426 HEMI with 425HP...ha!! An LS6 with 450HP...yeah right. Old timers will tell you this. Man the 60's were great and I was born too late!!

Yea that's why the NHRA has their own hp handicapping scale for stock class.

The Hemi is like the Boss 429 Ford. Lots of potential if done right.

Did you finish that Charger of yours? I don't think I ever saw a finished pic. Sure is a cool looking project. :thumbsup:

I want a 1970 Superbee with a six pac 440 with the ramcharger hood for my Mopar ride (I always like the ugly ducklings I guess). That round tai-light charger would be high on my list of must haves.

[GregWeld]

Yeah but advertised HP vs crank HP were way off. Manufacturers lied to the insurance companies not to mention the opposition on what was really under the hood. 426 HEMI with 425HP...ha!! An LS6 with 450HP...yeah right. Old timers will tell you this. Man the 60's were great and I was born too late!!



Remember that they can pick the hp number from anywhere on the dyno sheet -- they never said ''425 hp @ 4600 rpm" -- nor did they mention TORQUE (the only true measurement).

Also PRIOR to 1973 they were rated at SAE GROSS... in other words - no accessories etc -- after that they were rated SAE NET with accessories as installed in the car.

[Vegas69]

Most of the whole under rated deal is legend. HP has come a looooong way in 40 years. The 69 ZL1 didn't make anywhere close to 600hp. I'd say, maybe 500.

[Vegas69]

Clearly, you have an automatic, red, C6 Corvette, everyone is considered a yuppy to you.

Matt

Yep, and I love it.:unibrow:

[John510]

Ahhh who cares the 2014 will have 700 hp. :lol:

[bimmen325]

I had a 2010 and 2011 gt500, all you get is wheel spin. I had the chance to ride in my friends GTR and that thing just moves. Instead of more power they should add a true launch control system.

[J-440]

FE...I got some electrical issues holding me back. I'm this close to firing the dang thing up.
Now an all aluminum 427 ZL-1 you think was only putting out 500hp back in 69? Man I don't know. The engine cost just as much as the car back then. And then experts say an all iron HEMI was putting out 500 or more HP, that 427 was a beast!! Then there's the 427 Cammer from Ford. Exotic and limited production yes, what'd Ford say about the HP numbers on that thing?

[FETorino]

FE...I got some electrical issues holding me back. I'm this close to firing the dang thing up.
Now an all aluminum 427 ZL-1 you think was only putting out 500hp back in 69? Man I don't know. The engine cost just as much as the car back then. And then experts say an all iron HEMI was putting out 500 or more HP, that 427 was a beast!! Then there's the 427 Cammer from Ford. Exotic and limited production yes, what'd Ford say about the HP numbers on that thing?

Post some updated pics of your Charger in your build thread.

All great motors if you can afford to build one. The Cammer was never put in a car only sold over the counter so it doesn't count. They came close using the SAE Gross ratings. With a single four-barrel carburetor they were rated at 616 hp at 7,000 rpm & 515 torque @ 3,800 rpm dual four-barrel made 657 hp at 7,500 rpm & 575 torque @ 4,200 rpm. From some modern day cammer dyno runs I've seen I say those ratings were pretty close. The Cammer was the original Mod motor.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

If I was going to spend 65k on another car, I'd build 3 '69's.

fixed

[Vegas69]

Sure.

[Track Junky]

If I was going to spend 65k on another car I'd build another '69.

Re-fixed :lol:

[Matt@BOS]

Yep, and I love it.:unibrow:

Don't you just feel so much better after letting that out. I have a glorified secretary's car, and I love it too :cheers:

Matt

[nacnac]

the new shelby has some new fangled traction control with a drag racing setting or something like that. So all this too much power crap sounds like chevy guys whining. :lol:

[markss28]

i thought the ZL1 had 630hp. so wouldnt that be 30hp less than the GT500. Plus the ZL1 weighs less. Im betting the ZL1 is faster in every way.

[bimmen325]

i thought the ZL1 had 630hp. so wouldnt that be 30hp less than the GT500. Plus the ZL1 weighs less. Im betting the ZL1 is faster in every way.

The camaro is heavier by a few hundred pounds. My shelby came in at 3942lbs, most camaros are over 4k.

[markss28]

I completely retract my original post. I was thinking of the ZR1. LOL

My bad

[72Z/28]

If I was going to spend 65k on another car I'd build another '69.

I agree on that big time:D