sheetmetal ls3 intakes on ebay

[Bsinclair]

has anyone purchased or used one of these speedmaster ls3 intakes? doing a little research it appears they are manufactured overseas. i would love to have a sheetmetal intake as i've had hogan's in the past but saw this alternative.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FABRICATED-LS3-LS-ALUMINUM-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-1500-6500-RPM-POLISHED-/121040828762?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c2e98795a&vxp=mtr

[Rybar]

Wow man, thats a good price. Like anything from China you get what you pay for.

[John510]

If you end up gambling and ordering one let us know how it works out.

[camcojb]

pretty much an exact copy of the original Precision Metalcraft manifold I had.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

fuhking BITERS...

[Matt@BOS]

Well, that sucks. I had a Precision Metalcraft manifold and it was a piece of art. There is no way Jeff could compete if people start buying these instead. Hopefully most realize what they are, or are not paying for.

[kwhizz]

Chinese = Junk...............Can't change Facts...........

[EBMC]

I have a Precision Metalcraft manifold sitting in front of me and externally it looks exactly the same. They even refer to the integrated velocity stacks. Just remember, if it seems too good to be true, it is, you get what you pay for, Especially if it comes from China!

[intocarss]

Wonder how good it fits

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I don't know, i think you guys are wrong. Them welds are too nice to be done by a 7 year old chinese kid.

The seller is in Fontana. Someone should drop in a say hi to Speedmaster.

[garickman]

I don't know, i think you guys are wrong. Them welds are too nice to be done by a 7 year old chinese kid.

The seller is in Fontana. Someone should drop in a say hi to Speedmaster.

I agree with you Vince, the welds look outstanding. I have a funny feeling the intake that shows up at your door won't look like the one pictured. After all, have you ever got a Big Mac that looked like the one on the menu?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I don't know, i think you guys are wrong. Them welds are too nice to be done by a 7 year old chinese kid.

The seller is in Fontana. Someone should drop in a say hi to Speedmaster.

i dunno who Speedmaster is but a sheetmetal intake for 800 bucks?..

you buggin.. i really question the integrity on that.. and even if it was.. it sure isnt PMC so i still say they are raggedy sorry ass bootleggers

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I can sell you a sheet metal intake for $800....and you would buy it. But I'd only do it once. How hard can it be.

Come on Garic, you can have your Big Mac but leave that Mc Rib alone.

ROFL

[214Chevy]

At $800, I can assure you the seller will sell hundreds of them. In this hobby of ours where many guys would kill for expensive parts and along come this one at a third of the original price. Best believe these will sell like hotcakes, as they say.:lol: Shood, some member on here is going to buy one. How much do you want to bet? I like the Big Mac analogy. :rofl: :rofl:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I can sell you a sheet metal intake for $800....and you would buy it. But I'd only do it once. How hard can it be.



ROFL


Thats that mentality that got this country the way it is now..

hows that for rolling on the floor..

I bet if we saw some bootleg DSE "hydroformed" subframes on ebay for 700 bucks maybe folks might get more serious about what im saying..

[dontlifttoshift]

It is from ProComp......it may be fine but even if it made 500 horsepower on a stock LS3 and you gave me one I would make a bong out if it.

More reading if you would like http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10458279

ProComp is the same "manufacturer" that was selling the spot on MSD ignition box clones......after some time spent in court you will notice ProComps boxes are blue now.

[John510]

I have a set of manifolds made in China and the welds look perfect. Almost like a machine welded them. Not to mention they were 395$ verses the 2K for the same thing made here......

Every one of us owns something made in China. In fact my DC Shoes I'm wearing right now say "Made in China" LOL!

[cencalc6]

has anyone purchased or used one of these speedmaster ls3 intakes? doing a little research it appears they are manufactured overseas. i would love to have a sheetmetal intake as i've had hogan's in the past but saw this alternative.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FABRICATED-LS3-LS-ALUMINUM-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-1500-6500-RPM-POLISHED-/121040828762?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c2e98795a&vxp=mtr

thanks for the link :thumbsup:

[Ketzer]

I get what everyone is saying about cheap copies, what it does to the economy, negative effect on the "true" high-end piece, etc.. I think most buyers nowadays are pretty savvy. As long as they aren't presenting it as another brand, most know what they are buying and are ok with it being a lesser quality piece. It doesn't look to me that they are trying to "fool" anybody.

I don't see this as any real threat to Hogan or PM or any of the high end fabricators. Their market is someone who wants (and can afford) the best and bragging rights to their label. Those builds involve $3-4k intakes and Forgelines, not ebay intakes and Intros...:willy:



Jeff-

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I have a set of manifolds made in China and the welds look perfect. Almost like a machine welded them. Not to mention they were 395$ verses the 2K for the same thing made here......

Every one of us owns something made in China. In fact my DC Shoes I'm wearing right now say "Made in China" LOL!

admit it, you bought them at the flea market again didn't you. LOL

typed on my US HP company key board which was "made in China". DOH!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It is from ProComp......it may be fine but even if it made 500 horsepower on a stock LS3 and you gave me one I would make a bong out if it.

More reading if you would like http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10458279

ProComp is the same "manufacturer" that was selling the spot on MSD ignition box clones......after some time spent in court you will notice ProComps boxes are blue now.

that car looks familiar

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Thats that mentality that got this country the way it is now..

hows that for rolling on the floor..

I bet if we saw some bootleg DSE "hydroformed" subframes on ebay for 700 bucks maybe folks might get more serious about what im saying..

Now that wasn't nice at all Amir. Sign of the times, besides China owns us. Its been going down hill long before you or I were born.

As long as there is a market for it they will continue to push the goods whether you or I don't endorse it or not.
Not that I would buy a $1500 Hogan manifold (mainly cause I could never afford one) or an overseas copy but I would definatly buy for the quality and the performance aspect in mind. So guess where my mentality has always been. :cheers:

[EBMC]

If you want an idea of what to expect quality wise when purchasing knock offs, check this out...

http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-5-8-engine-tech/1385271-new-ignition-box-your-hot-rod-foxbody-pics.html

And they were financially able to sponsor a Top Fuel dragster....
Just goes to show there are plenty of people buying (parts or service) based only on price. :(

[John510]

Well my MacBook Air that cost me 1100$ says Made in China under it. It must be a POS now....

My iPhone was also made in China.

My Craftsman drill driver says Made in China.

My coffee cup says Made in USA though. :lol:

Over 90% of USA is made in China guys. Start looking at the labels on your favorite items

[E.rodz]

I just wish people would look at the big picture!!!!!!! yes everybody owns things made in china how ever there are fewer choices out there and tons of great companies going out of business every day for the failure to be able to compete,osha standards,enviromental responsibility,high tax base. That is why even big companies are looking to out sorce manufacturing to other countries. The country is going down hill at a rapid pace because everyone has the same outlook and people don't seem to care about the long term affect [aka] you childrens future! if we all continue to not care we can kiss the future of this great country good buy!!! I personally don't want to see that happen! Don't take this the wrong way everyone just needs to make a decision of trying to do something to make a difference. The intake is a direct copy someone put a great deal of time designing and engineering to produce this and how would you feel if this was all your work and now you have to give it up with no way to even go after what was once yours and now yet another us based company goes out of business! I love this country and I want my kids to grow up speeking english! Just trying to shine some light on our future of americans!;)

[EBMC]

Well my MacBook Air that cost me 1100$ says Made in China under it. It must be a POS now....

My iPhone was also made in China.

My Craftsman drill driver says Made in China.

My coffee cup says Made in USA though. :lol:

Over 90% of USA is made in China guys. Start looking at the labels on your favorite items

Your comparing apples and oranges. Apple (no pun intended!)chose to have their phone made in China, its still their product and is represented as such as well as Nike and millions of other products. I dont like it, but its at least their choice.
Although I dont know him, I doubt Jeff at PMC endorsed this intake or has any connection to it. Myself and others gripe is against cheap unauthorized knockoffs no matter where they're made




Although I admit, in a Tequila induced haze long ago, I did buy some "Oakley" sunglasses for $5 on a beach in Cabo!:dance:

[Track Junky]

China has been capitalizing on copying American products for way too long now. We should all do ourselves and fellow Americans a favor and stay away from anything made in China.

[cencalc6]

China has been capitalizing on copying American products for way too long now. We should all do ourselves and fellow Americans a favor and stay away from anything made in China.

It's hard when you can save $100's or even $1K for almost the same product :unibrow: I'll admit it, I try to get the best deal I can and if I dont, then I'll fork out the money to buy it....What gets me is that companies out there in the USA are still trying get top dollar for their product that's been out for years and wont put out any discounts for repeatable customers.

[BBC71Nova]

Curious what's gonna happen when the innovative companies doing the R&D don't sell enough product to stay in business. Will companies like ProComp actually take their place being leaders in innovation? Likely not if they intend to keep their price points where they are.

I'm sure this kinda thing happens in most industries. A quick trip through your local Wally World proves that. However, it sure seems rampant in automotive aftermarket these days. Curious why that is. I suspect it is caused by the relatively small market resulting in high parts cost, i.e. less unit sales to spread development cost among. These high unit costs vs. perceived/intrinsic value result in a market prime for someone to copy something and undercut. Of course that just ends up reducing units sold for the innovators which ultimately drives up costs on innovative products.

[214Chevy]

I have to admit it....it doesn't look too shabby on the car on Yellow Bullet. :_paranoid :_paranoid Just wait until the word gets out, I can see lots of guys buying these for the looks. Especially, guys that can't afford the real deal or the ones that just want a stock, 80k mile LS pullout.

[Track Junky]

It's hard when you can save $100's or even $1K for almost the same product :unibrow: I'll admit it, I try to get the best deal I can and if I dont, then I'll fork out the money to buy it....What gets me is that companies out there in the USA are still trying get top dollar for their product that's been out for years and wont put out any discounts for repeatable customers.

I agree with you 100% and was probably the first guy in line to get a decent product for cheap back in the day but after just recently rebounding from the economy's impact I wont support foreign products or people anymore. The economy hit the construction industry pretty hard and I used to subcontract to less expensive illegals all day long but I wont do it anymore. They are taking work away from you, me, and every other hard working American in the country and I'm done with it.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Well how bout that.. a COUPLE guys seeing what im talking about.

dude..

I got 2 kids.. one day they will have to deal with the problems I was too indifferent to deal with.

why is it that China is getting richer with a bustling economy and we are in trouble.. why?

its that "****it ima get me a discount" we so love in America that is costing us.. it may be even worse in the future.

so.. again.


**** THOSE BITERS..

I have the real thing.. I loved the real product.. the welds are gorgeous.. and I think the BITERS are worthless.. even it they work.

[clill]

Makes me think of Ring Bros hood hinges and all the copies that followed. I remember at SEMA, they had just debuted a set of hinges on a car and Mike had a guy wanting the file on the hinges. He would have a copy back from China in a week.

[Ron in SoCal]

And it gets worse. There are even human rights abuses for our (seemingly useless) daily products:

http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/letter-chinese-laborer-pleading-help-found-halloween-decorations-202400773.html

[Track Junky]

And we wonder why China owns us. :rolleyes:

[IMPALA MAN]

It's simple math guys.
US made product cost = US hourly labor rate (?) + taxes, etc.
VS
Chinese made product cost = many that will work for a cup of rice!

Now the only missing component is people willing to buy a cheaper product......and that's where the consumer comes in.

The ONLY way this will change is if the consumer stops buying the cheaper product.
Just like drugs my friends, if no one buys them, the transport of drugs into America stops.

Just sayin.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It's simple math guys.
US made product cost = US hourly labor rate (?) + taxes, etc.
VS
Chinese made product cost = many that will work for a cup of rice!

Now the only missing component is people willing to buy a cheaper product......and that's where the consumer comes in.

The ONLY way this will change is if the consumer stops buying the cheaper product.
Just like drugs my friends, if no one buys them, the transport of drugs into America stops.

Just sayin.

But there is always someone that will and it will never change. And that is the tip of the iceburg. There are almost no manufacturing jobs left in America. Empty factories sitting idle. Workers becoming stagnant collecting unemplyment. Those almost broke workers are buying the cheap knock offs to save a buck. The pattern is there and there is a million reasons why but no true fix.

Cup of rice is close. Most make an average of $7.50 per week...a 80-110 hour week.

I am a manufacture of goods. The regulations, laws, fees and high rents prohibit me from hiring employees. I can produce and design more but without employees im forced to do it alone and only produce so much. My business is then low output. Banks will not loan money to a low output business. Even with 2 homes, an 800+ credit score and $145K in assets (Shop equipment). Times my situation by 10 thousand and you have a pretty good idea of what the small business have to deal with in the US.

The government loaned Solyndra $535 million to run its business. Soon after recieving its money they go bankrupt.
Short time after that Solyndra files a $1.5 billion antitrust suit against China’s three biggest photovoltaic panel manufacturers. Guess who if funding those companies.

The stories go on and on.

[Track Junky]

It's simple math guys.
US made product cost = US hourly labor rate (?) + taxes, etc.
VS
Chinese made product cost = many that will work for a cup of rice!

And dont forget about the simple engineering

[Ketzer]

The economy hit the construction industry pretty hard and I used to subcontract to less expensive illegals all day long but I wont do it anymore. They are taking work away from you, me, and every other hard working American in the country and I'm done with it.

I agree with you and get your point.
There is another side to this that we as americans are just as guilty of... I had a bunch of guys that helped build my house who didn't speak much english BUT they showed up for work every day, worked all day, and did a good job. The "american" subs I used might not show up for several days, worked half a day, did sh!tty work, and would try to file injury claims or steal supplies from the job site. It wasn't about cheap labor, it was about finding someone who wasn't so lazy and dishonest that I wanted to give them a shovel-ectomy.


Jeff-

[Rick D]

One thing that I have not heard from anyone in this thread is where do most of the products come from to be duplicated in China???

From the USA!! People here are the ones sending the USA made products over there to be made cheaper!! It's not Chinas fault completely, it's our own people ripping off our own people!

I know there are plenty of China company's doing this on their own now but we started it or at the very least feed the beast.

[IMPALA MAN]

At the end of the day, most of the problems America faces are tied back to respect and pride.
Pre 1960: try buying a foreign product and see how you are treated. If you father spared your life, your neighbors would probably not. We all had pride and respect.
Try stealing something: once again, if your father spared your life, you were at minimum shunned from the community.
Try back talking to the teacher: ditto
Not respecting your elders: ditto
Not showing up for work: (all that would get you is showing up the next day with battle scars from your old man after he incentivized you to be on time)

Today, it's accepted to buy foreign, stealing is just one of those things, talking back to any kind of authority figure, well everybody does it so it can't be that bad. Elders, what's an elder?
Not showing up for work on time...if I can get my employer to fire me unjustly, then maybe I can sue him or at minimum get unemployment. In addition I can make more at home drawing a check than bother with work.

PRIDE AND RESPECT folks, and until we teach our youth PRIDE AND RESPECT, things are not going to get any better.
Our 12 year old son knows, when his parents or elders ask something, it is to be done. He was taught PRIDE AND RESPECT from day one. Amazingly he is a straight A student and has had perfect attendance many of his school years. He also knows that whether he is 12 or 50, his father will always be his father and will not hesitate to jerk him aside if he disrespects the family name. As a father it is my JOB to make sure the family name is respected and personally I don't care how old my child is, it doesn't give him the right to disrespect the family name.
Hey, if I do this right, maybe he will hold his children to the same standard (like my father and I did)
My .02. Sorry for ranting, but it had to be said.

[Track Junky]

I agree with you and get your point.
There is another side to this that we as americans are just as guilty of... I had a bunch of guys that helped build my house who didn't speak much english BUT they showed up for work every day, worked all day, and did a good job. The "american" subs I used might not show up for several days, worked half a day, did sh!tty work, and would try to file injury claims or steal supplies from the job site. It wasn't about cheap labor, it was about finding someone who wasn't so lazy and dishonest that I wanted to give them a shovel-ectomy.

Jeff-

Jeff, I started out typing a long winded response to this but I could have written a book so I stopped...twice. I have been in the trades for 27 years working my way from carpenter to superintendent to owner and then continuing to building and construction inspector and have seen alot on the construction end. In short I want to say we need to put an end to this but has the sno-ball gotten too large and gained too much momentum? Seems that way. This is where ImpalaMans response holds true. PRIDE AND RESPECT. Teaching our children at a young age. This is something that cannot be said enough times. PRIDE AND RESPECT!! Look at the young punks on the street today wearing their pants down to their knees. That is blaintant disrespect to every one around us. Too many variables are the cause but once again it boils down to teaching PRIDE AND RESPECT.

At the end of the day, most of the problems America faces are tied back to respect and pride.
Pre 1960: try buying a foreign product and see how you are treated. If you father spared your life, your neighbors would probably not. We all had pride and respect.
Try stealing something: once again, if your father spared your life, you were at minimum shunned from the community.
Try back talking to the teacher: ditto
Not respecting your elders: ditto
Not showing up for work: (all that would get you is showing up the next day with battle scars from your old man after he incentivized you to be on time)

Today, it's accepted to buy foreign, stealing is just one of those things, talking back to any kind of authority figure, well everybody does it so it can't be that bad. Elders, what's an elder?
Not showing up for work on time...if I can get my employer to fire me unjustly, then maybe I can sue him or at minimum get unemployment. In addition I can make more at home drawing a check than bother with work.

PRIDE AND RESPECT folks, and until we teach our youth PRIDE AND RESPECT, things are not going to get any better.
Our 12 year old son knows, when his parents or elders ask something, it is to be done. He was taught PRIDE AND RESPECT from day one. Amazingly he is a straight A student and has had perfect attendance many of his school years. He also knows that whether he is 12 or 50, his father will always be his father and will not hesitate to jerk him aside if he disrespects the family name. As a father it is my JOB to make sure the family name is respected and personally I don't care how old my child is, it doesn't give him the right to disrespect the family name.
Hey, if I do this right, maybe he will hold his children to the same standard (like my father and I did)
My .02. Sorry for ranting, but it had to be said.

[John510]

Question,

If we patent a USA made product can it still be replicated in China or can the inventor sue the balls off of them?

[Ron in SoCal]

Question,

If we patent a USA made product can it still be replicated in China or can the inventor sue the balls off of them?

Happens all the time John. Typically no enforcement or punishment either. The entertainment industry estimates annual copyright losses in the billions.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

At the end of the day, most of the problems America faces are tied back to respect and pride.
Pre 1960: try buying a foreign product and see how you are treated. If you father spared your life, your neighbors would probably not. We all had pride and respect.
Try stealing something: once again, if your father spared your life, you were at minimum shunned from the community.
Try back talking to the teacher: ditto
Not respecting your elders: ditto
Not showing up for work: (all that would get you is showing up the next day with battle scars from your old man after he incentivized you to be on time)

Today, it's accepted to buy foreign, stealing is just one of those things, talking back to any kind of authority figure, well everybody does it so it can't be that bad. Elders, what's an elder?
Not showing up for work on time...if I can get my employer to fire me unjustly, then maybe I can sue him or at minimum get unemployment. In addition I can make more at home drawing a check than bother with work.

PRIDE AND RESPECT folks, and until we teach our youth PRIDE AND RESPECT, things are not going to get any better.
Our 12 year old son knows, when his parents or elders ask something, it is to be done. He was taught PRIDE AND RESPECT from day one. Amazingly he is a straight A student and has had perfect attendance many of his school years. He also knows that whether he is 12 or 50, his father will always be his father and will not hesitate to jerk him aside if he disrespects the family name. As a father it is my JOB to make sure the family name is respected and personally I don't care how old my child is, it doesn't give him the right to disrespect the family name.
Hey, if I do this right, maybe he will hold his children to the same standard (like my father and I did)
My .02. Sorry for ranting, but it had to be said.

never apologize for speaking your mind. I agree, pride and respect are a rare trait and is overtaken by greed and success.

Like they say, run your race and watch for the other guy.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Question,

If we patent a USA made product can it still be replicated in China or can the inventor sue the balls off of them?

its a bunch of craaap. I have a patent on a product and it only protects you if you are willing to pursue. The second product I brought into market, I used the money that would have gone to my lawyers and put that towards stock amount of the product. I then saturated the market before the imitators could catch up. Consumers already know it's my product.
I also set a price point so I could still make a profit if I dropped the price 40% if it was copied. That would kill the profit margin of my competition. It worked, right after my price drop the competition backed off.

Its a huge lawyer game. Your on your own if the copies come from over seas.

[John510]

Vince,
What do you make over there?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Vince,
What do you make over there?

a little bit of everything. Main market was firearm accesories/parts but car builds have taken the spot light since getting into the bigger shop. Just don't have the time or man power for both right now.

[Ketzer]

Jeff, I started out typing a long winded response to this but I could have written a book so I stopped...twice. .


A shame you stopped, I'm certain it was a good read even if it just helped you vent. You'll notice I didn't even mention money in my post. It was never about the labor cost with us. We only wanted a professional job done on time. Tradesmen like you are few and far between nowadays.

Jeff-

[Track Junky]

A shame you stopped, I'm certain it was a good read even if it just helped you vent. You'll notice I didn't even mention money in my post. It was never about the labor cost with us. We only wanted a professional job done on time. Tradesmen like you are few and far between nowadays.

Jeff-


Thanks Jeff. I understand what your saying and there is alot of truth to what you say. Trust me I know....as a superintendent I was extremely aggressive and if you didn't work as hard as I did you never got my respect and on many occasions got sent down the road. Things didn't change as an owner.....and as an inspector.....God help us!! I dread what the future brings from our future tradesman/buiders. Truth is the good ones will most likely be from south of the border. As long as they're legal I can live with that.

[Precision Metal]

hey Guys, These were brought to my attention a couple of years ago when one of my good customers sent one to me and said "you gotta see this" It was even still packaged in Chinese newspaper. The worst part about it is nobody in China saw my part and decided to rip it off, it was an American that purchased it and sent it over there to be duplicated. The part was rough to put it nicely.

I can get pissed about this all I want it's not going to do me any good. Therefore I chose to keep smiling and keep improving my products. Sorry if Iv'e been MIA for a while, the last couple of years have been super busy. Recently we have added a CNC machining center in house to help with lead times as well as have more control of our product. I assure you nobody in China or anywhere else is going to keep me from feeding my family.

Here are a few pictures of what we have been working on. Thanks to all my loyal customers and thanks for looking.
Jeff Davis

[camcojb]

hey Guys, These were brought to my attention a couple of years ago when one of my good customers sent one to me and said "you gotta see this" It was even still packaged in Chinese newspaper. The worst part about it is nobody in China saw my part and decided to rip it off, it was an American that purchased it and sent it over there to be duplicated. The part was rough to put it nicely.

I can get pissed about this all I want it's not going to do me any good. Therefore I chose to keep smiling and keep improving my products. Sorry if Iv'e been MIA for a while, the last couple of years have been super busy. Recently we have added a CNC machining center in house to help with lead times as well as have more control of our product. I assure you nobody in China or anywhere else is going to keep me from feeding my family.

Here are a few pictures of what we have been working on. Thanks to all my loyal customers and thanks for looking.
Jeff Davis
Your work is incredible Jeff. I had countless inquiries about my intake, everyone loved it. :thumbsup:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

^ And that right there in that response is the whole reason I raised a stink about that bull..

keep in mind if you buy one of those chinese knockoffs you hurt THAT man above.. the one dude who makes the part you like is the one you hurt cause your too cheap to support his business..

shame on you..
http://www.workingkansans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/pointing_finger.jpeg


BTW..

I love my PMC manifold.. it absolutely MAKES my enginebay.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3209/5831060638_1e03fdc4be_b.jpg

[Ketzer]

People who buy a re-bodied Fiero are not taking business away from Lamborghini, trust me.


Jeff-

[Precision Metal]

Thanks for the support guys. I just noticed he even ripped off my website almost word for word. NICE

Features:
-Billet mounting flanges with O-Ring grooves for the perfect seal
-1 piece tapered runners with integrated velocity stacks
-96MM Throttle Body Compatible.
-3 inches taller than GM plastic Unit, 9" overall height

[IMPALA MAN]

One of the few things that always eases the pain is......You know you're doing something right when you are the one being copied. I know it stinks to loose business to knock off companies, but it's not going to stop.

[BBC71Nova]

Oh man. Those black anodized intakes are the shiznit. You make those for a big block Chevy? Hmmm aluminum block or badazz intake...

[EBMC]

We've got one of your intakes on our twin turbo LS3 were building and the quality is some of the best I've seen, inside and out Keep up the good work Jeff!

[BODYSHOPMARO]

People who buy a re-bodied Fiero are not taking business away from Lamborghini, trust me.


Jeff-

:lmao:

[RickM415]

stuff in china is made because ...here...
to own a business the goverment wants to ride you till your wheels fall off

like a million permits and fees ...seriously?????

and now paper bags ? brightest idea ever!!! lol

tree huggers are the problem!!!

the worst thing is that I am now making pennies and can no longer by Made in USA parts ....I dont even look at my car no more ,its way in the back like an old sock!

thanks Greedy people LOL

[broken1234]

Ok, stupid question... what exactly is better about the quality? Are the flanges not flat? Holes in the welds? Poor quality aluminum?

I know most Chinese stuff is junk, for typically those type reasons...

[Matt@BOS]

Ok, stupid question... what exactly is better about the quality? Are the flanges not flat? Holes in the welds? Poor quality aluminum?

I know most Chinese stuff is junk, for typically those type reasons...

This:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/slow4dr/IMG_6026.jpg

versus this:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0937.jpg

[214Chevy]

This:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/slow4dr/IMG_6026.jpg

versus this:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0937.jpg



......and that gentlemen, makes all the difference in the world. (as they say)

[Precision Metal]

Don't mean to hammer my own part and there is certainly nothing wrong with it (night and day better than the China part). But in case people are not aware the newer ones look like this on the inside. They have been this way for about 3 years.
Jeff

[RickM415]

i guess after looking at that picture you could say ...every girl looks good with her pants on!!! lol

[Jgpclone]

Jeff in the future im goin to buy a intake from you,just curious if u offer a 102 mm tb opening i want to use a nick willson 102 mm tb for my lsx tt build .i dont want to port the opening its like reworking a picaso lol:D

[Precision Metal]

Yes 102mm throtle flange is available, all you have to do is ask.
Thanks, Jeff

[Kenny]

So do the flanges or welds leak? What does each dyno out to? Sometimes there are guys out there that can't afford an intake that costs $2,000 more just on assumptions. There is nobody speaking with a first hand comparison (testing) yet. I have considerable experience with the manufacture of high end race components..... If you guys think that your high end "made in USA" race valves weren't machined off blanks that came from China, or the roller wheels on your roller lifters, the list goes on and on.....

I made intake tubes, throttle bodies, custom roller cams etc, for a different application. You can't patent everything you build and Hogan's might have a suit against American companies if we did. The key is having your next product in the design stages before someone copies the current version. Staying a step ahead is key. One thing I can tell you for sure: It doesn't matter if you are the only person making a particular product, knocking people over the head with your prices will catch up with you sooner or later..... I personally know lots of companies that have fallen prey to this.

So back to the OP, how does this intake perform?

[Bsinclair]

So do the flanges or welds leak? What does each dyno out to? Sometimes there are guys out there that can't afford an intake that costs $2,000 more just on assumptions. There is nobody speaking with a first hand comparison (testing) yet. I have considerable experience with the manufacture of high end race components..... If you guys think that your high end "made in USA" race valves weren't machined off blanks that came from China, or the roller wheels on your roller lifters, the list goes on and on.....

I made intake tubes, throttle bodies, custom roller cams etc, for a different application. You can't patent everything you build and Hogan's might have a suit against American companies if we did. The key is having your next product in the design stages before someone copies the current version. Staying a step ahead is key. One thing I can tell you for sure: It doesn't matter if you are the only person making a particular product, knocking people over the head with your prices will catch up with you sooner or later..... I personally know lots of companies that have fallen prey to this.

So back to the OP, how does this intake perform?

i asked for dyno charts as they said it had already been done. i have yet to get any info from them. with the short runners i would think the hp would be higher than the american made unit and tq to be a little less. i was told by the seller they would sell one for $650 if i wanted to try one. im no where close to having my car running so im really not interested currently.

i agree with you 100% on the above statements. i have watched this happen in motorcycle parts for years. over charge enough people and there will be someone ready to jump in with the same part for half the price.

[Kenny]

i asked for dyno charts as they said it had already been done. i have yet to get any info from them. with the short runners i would think the hp would be higher than the american made unit and tq to be a little less. i was told by the seller they would sell one for $650 if i wanted to try one. im no where close to having my car running so im really not interested currently.

i agree with you 100% on the above statements. i have watched this happen in motorcycle parts for years. over charge enough people and there will be someone ready to jump in with the same part for half the price. Throwing out accusations of someone "stealing" a design is kind of ludicrous as well. We have Hogan, Wilson, Precision.... Who was first? Who was the first to do the bell mouth runner extensions that Jim Feuling was running 30 years ago, and many ran before him? This is all about looks, and they all look awesome.

You won't be able to predict the performance with just runner length. If two intakes are tuned to the same rpm, but one uses first wave (shorter runner), and the other uses second wave(longer), you will normally see the shorter runner making more power at the extreme ends of the rpm range, and the longer runner will be more concentrated toward the midrange. Same goes with taper. A 3° taper will have more at the extreme ends, where a 0 taper will be more concentrated around the tuning point. You can also factor in plenum volume, more volume usually = more bottom end. That would be deceptive when comparing these intakes because the volume of the port extending into the plenum will need to be subtracted from the volume.

We had a local guy that was running an end all sheetmetal intake on a mountain motor (before he went top fuel funny car) and he was just mopping the floor with his competition......everyone bitched and whined about that magic intake. He finally got so pissed off that he replaced the intake with an unported holley pro dominator tunnel ram at the track and went faster! Everyone was just dumbfounded, including him. You just don't know until you run it.

[camcojb]

Throwing out accusations of someone "stealing" a design is kind of ludicrous as well.
Call it what you want, but that manifold is pretty much identical from the outside to the PMC unit. I've had a couple Hogan manifolds, along with Wilson. They're all sheetmetal intakes, but they don't look the same.

They copied PMC's design in my opinion.

[Kenny]

Call it what you want, but that manifold is pretty much identical from the outside to the PMC unit. I've had a couple Hogan manifolds, along with Wilson. They're all sheetmetal intakes, but they don't look the same.

They copied PMC's design in my opinion. I agree, and it sucks, but it is what it is. Everyone in this business has to deal with this problem. The best defense that I found was to constantly move forward, use manufacturing techniques that kept expenses to the end user as reasonable as possible and of course, customer service. Look, there is a reason someone can build a similar intake for less than 1/3 the price and still have enough room to knock $150 off the retail price. This is not purely a function of being made offshore.

The more desirable your product is, the more others are tempted to copy it.....Personally, I would make the recommendation that if you can't/won't pony up the bucks for the PMC unit, go with the Holley Hi-Ram or Edelbrock unit. Let's put this where it is, it's about the looks and having something others can't afford. There is no inherent performance advantage to having an off the shelf sheetmetal intake that isn't custom designed on the dyno for your particular application.

I am not willing to buy a Rolex as it doesn't make sense at my income level. I am not interested in a knock-off that is just offensive IMO. Yet I still like to know what time it is, and you would be mistaken to assume that me and my Timex don't know what time it is