Better Grow a Mullet! [Archive]

grendel

10-15-2014, 05:49 PM

So, as my truck build winds down (it's a 68 GMC C1500 with a bunch of goodies) I needed something else to play with. I've always wanted a 2nd gen Camaro. Something about the 72 vintage that I love, considering that I am a 72 vintage.

Long story short, I got the itch to get rid of a Chopper I built/bought... a 2012 Bourget Fat Daddy with a 131 Cubic inch R&R motor in it. Was offered a trade, plus some cash and took it.

It's a 73 Camaro, pretty base model, but someone spent some time with it. It has the original 350 LT, 4 speed manual and floors that came with it. Fenders are a little tender and it's not the best paint, but very workable. Someone also added a Weiand 177 blower to it.

After reading around a bunch of different vendors, picking up some guidance and talking with my friend Darren at Ride Tech, we've decided on the following mods: Scott Mock C6 mandrel bent frame, Scott Mock installed 5th Gen Camaro IRS, de-tuned LS3 (reducing stroke, increasing bore) to mimic an old school DZ302 (more like DZ329), DSE mini tubs, Ride Tech shocks, ZR1 TR6060 trans and a bunch of stainless exhaust. Will get Pro Car Rally seats in black leather, vintage air and a heck of an audio system.

Already have most of the parts in the garage. Just waiting to strip the Camaro, load the parts in the enclosed trailer and take a drive for a burrito.

Oh and this is not my first rodeo. My dad started a restoration business in 1972 that I inherited when he passed on. Performance cars are fun, but wanted to send this out to someone who's built a bunch of them. We do things like 60's Ferrari's, Porsches and other stock exotics that don't handle, accelerate or brake like this one will.

The intent is a cruiser that when thrown into a corner will cause you to vomit.

To that end, I hope to lighten it up quite a bit. The entire Anvil carbon fiber catalog will be thrown at it.

To slow it down, I worked with Jay at Budnik and picked up some Baer 14" brakes... we're also doing wheels while he's at it.

I did an intro a while back with my truck. I've promised a few folks a build thread. Figured I'd start with something we're actually building vs one that's mostly finished. WaynieZ made me do it :hello:

grendel

10-15-2014, 05:58 PM

As I said, first thing I did was read about 60 or 70 build threads, from end to end.

Darren talked me into a Ride Tech Tiger Cage (love stainless and aluminum). Also have to run their shocks, since he's helped me with so many projects. I am going to lift his daughter's power wheels for him, since he won't do it himself.

I spoke to a few frame and sub frame manufacturers and really wanted IRS. Have you looked at the cost?

Enter in my penchant for factory engineering and trying to retrofit what I can... if they spend hours and millions developing something, it has to be good.

Enter in the 2013 Camaro SS rear suspension pull out. It's out of a 6 mile car that got dropped off the car carrier. It's nice to have friends in low places, as most of you would cry at what I paid for this and 4 other complete cars. I dropped out the center diff, intending to add a 9" or Strange 60 center chunk. Seems the aftermarket support is amazing for this config, as I found adjustable rear links, stronger center sections and different axle shafts out the wazoo. I also have a ZL1 differential with the LSD and larger gear sets. Will be fun breaking it.

grendel

10-15-2014, 06:02 PM

Since my 8 year old said: "I love small cars with big horsepower" I had to change up some things while we were cruising to her soccer games. The 70's called, they wanted their 14" unilugs... and I had a set of Boyd (the real ones, not the Chinese ones) in 17" and 18" that would fit this car and provide no traction for great burn outs... so they went on. This car also has a 70's vintage Cherry Bomb exhaust, you know, what everyone had in the 70's, hated ever since, but got a revival in the late 2000's?

I am so NOT wearing plaid pants, ever again.

coolwelder62

10-15-2014, 06:05 PM

This is going to be an awesome build.

grendel

10-15-2014, 06:14 PM

I mentioned a DZ302 like build.

I had one in a 1st gen Camaro. Loved that I could rev the piss out of it. Pretended that I raced Trans-Am back in the day.

I also found a Callies Magnum XL crank for dirt cheap on eBay. Again, people would cry. It's a 3.185" stroke. Add 6.350" Callies Ultra H beam rods and a .30 over bore with some other fun stuff in the motor and you end up with a high revving light weight power plant that looks like it should live in a 73 Mullet Mobile.

I did a dual quad intake on it... not sure if that will stay, as I may do a cross ram intake with dual throttle bodies. Still playing with the "look" of the motor, but it's light weight (100lbs or more lighter than the SBC with blower) with more HP/TQ than the SBC.

This motor should go well with the TR6060 that's being built for this. Carbon Fiber synchros, bronze pads on every fork, center shift conversion that started off in a ZL1 and is now being worked over to live at high rpm, including external oil ports for a cooler, reservoir and oil pump.

grendel

10-15-2014, 06:16 PM

This is going to be an awesome build.

Hi Scott!

My oldest daughter loves the red... and we've decided the car needs to be pull me over red. I talked her into a gold base with candy apple red over the top. Since we're doing carbon fiber, she's also letting me do RS/SS stripes in carbon fiber that will be clear coated with the rest of it.

Jay at Budnik is doing G5's for me, with brushed centers in what ever size Scott tells me will clear the biggest square meats we can fit.

grendel

10-15-2014, 06:35 PM

We decided that the cowl hood's gone... and since we're doing carbon fiber that the interior needed to be black. It was also a bit destroyed by the previous owner(s) so we also added Dakota Digital gauges to the mix. BTW, the car was originally baby poop brown, so I feel like I can do anything I want to this very un-original car. Although metallic root beer is a color that I want to do on a vehicle, maybe a Jeep, as I do those too.

Scott also wanted the motor, trans, interior and gas tank out. Said something about not welding near fumes,afraid to blow himself up ...

Oh, we also added JW Speaker LED headlights, as we had them kicking around. Somehow, the interior fell out. It's also fairly tall... but had some REALLY thick sway bars. Redid the steering at this point to make it less floaty, but WOW is the suspension shot.

waynieZ

10-15-2014, 06:51 PM

Sweet project.

WSSix

10-15-2014, 06:53 PM

This is going to be a fun build. Good luck with it!

Sonar Chief

10-15-2014, 08:14 PM

That IRS is gonna be sweet .... nice score on the assembly fer sure!

Keep us informed w pixs of course!

grendel

10-15-2014, 08:21 PM

That IRS is gonna be sweet .... nice score on the assembly fer sure!

Keep us informed w pixs of course!

Of course, Chief.

Odd saying that here, been saying it most of my life. I am retired Navy :) thus part of the build thread's title.

Scott should also post pics here.

Evan Iroc-Z

10-16-2014, 07:41 AM

I'm really looking forward to this build! It's going to turn out incredible.

Vince@Meanstreets

10-16-2014, 08:07 AM

Awesome start. Can't wait to see some sparks flyin.

grendel

10-16-2014, 08:29 AM

Sad thing is that I am in wait mode, as Scott will be taking the next steps. I can take a bunch of pics of parts, but no fab happens beyond the engine and transmission. I am trailering it out to Scott at the end of the month.

waynieZ

10-17-2014, 09:33 PM

What oil pan do you use to put the Ls motor in the Camaro ? That sounds like a nice trip going to Scotts shop. I love his sub frames.

grendel

10-18-2014, 04:51 AM

What oil pan do you use to put the Ls motor in the Camaro ? That sounds like a nice trip going to Scotts shop. I love his sub frames.

We use the 4th Gen Camaro LS1 pan. Could use an LSA pan.

Rick D

10-18-2014, 05:07 AM

Ok this is going to be cool, looking forward to see what Scott does when he gets it!! :D

grendel

10-18-2014, 05:10 AM

Ok this is going to be cool, looking forward to see what Scott does when he gets it!! :D

Me too. Right now, I have a pile of boxes that's taking up an entire bay. All his toys to play with. Then I get to order interior.

grendel

10-19-2014, 06:21 AM

Yesterday was one of those, when I feel like this project's going backwards (It is). Taking more parts off than are going on.

Then you get a text from your trans provider and you can see oil ports in the beautifully powder coated trans case:

Sonar Chief

10-19-2014, 11:55 AM

Of course, Chief.

Odd saying that here, been saying it most of my life. I am retired Navy :) thus part of the build thread's title.

Scott should also post pics here.

Thanks for your service, you were saying "Of course Chief" but what you really meant is ........! lol

Michael

grendel

10-19-2014, 12:18 PM

Thanks for your service, you were saying "Of course Chief" but what you really meant is ........! lol

Michael

Back atcha. Many Chiefs made my job easier, especially when I thought I knew what I was doing :lostmarbles:

grendel

10-20-2014, 01:31 PM

coolwelder62

10-20-2014, 02:14 PM

And I sit in my office today, making vroom, vroom noises playing with the Core shifter I got in. Got a short shift rod, so I can weld, bend and re-anodize it the way I want it.

Just got off the phone with Scott, love the communication. Going to get the best job he's ever done. Love hearing that commitment.This project start's at 8:00am Tuesday morning. I'm so pumped about this job, I am going to treat it as if it was my personal project. :thankyou: John.

grendel

10-21-2014, 03:29 PM

Sub-frame is getting some dimply goodness.

Love seeing the mandrel bent rails.

After the IRS audit notification, this was nice to see.

waynieZ

10-21-2014, 05:00 PM

That's some sweet iron right there, and a work of art when its done.

Rick D

10-21-2014, 05:44 PM

Nice parts!! Get it done!!!

grendel

10-22-2014, 07:50 AM

Got to love dimples... easy to blast the powder coat gun into and ensure that everything is coated well. Although this car will not intentionally see bad weather, I do live in New England. Corrosion protection is critical.

grendel

10-22-2014, 12:58 PM

With some TIG welded goodness.

HBRod

10-23-2014, 08:53 AM

waynieZ

10-23-2014, 09:51 AM

Beautiful welds.

grendel

10-23-2014, 11:27 AM

Upper A-arm mounts are done. We also talked about a brace strut, as the Tiger Cage won't connect to the firewall, so we have a bung on the top of the A-arm mount. Should add quite a bit of rigidity for both the suspension and frame. The frame will triangulate the firewall and each side in a H configuration. I do this on my high speed 4wd builds that take 15' whoops at 70+ mph.

The welds continue to be amazing and metal prep looks like it will be beautiful with either powder coat or electrostatic charged paint. You can also see that the coil over mount will have multiple adjustment points, same as I do with the Class 4 trucks we've built.

grendel

10-23-2014, 11:56 AM

This is a very cool project. Subscribed. I haven't read enough threads on Gen 2 Camaros, so I hadn't heard about fitting a 5th gen IRS into one. This will be a very interesting project to follow. Love the description you gave about throwing it in a corner and vomit. At times I wish all roads had great corners to throw cars into.

Keep up the progress reports with pics.

Rod in HB

I have not read many using 5th Gen factory parts on a 2nd Gen. Just kits by other manufacturers. We'll see what this takes to get it done, Scott may turn it into a kit as well.

waynieZ

10-23-2014, 12:13 PM

I bet it would be a popular one.

grendel

10-28-2014, 11:05 AM

Really getting excited to see this in black powder coat, sporting a LS-DZ... also got the trans lined up.

waynieZ

10-28-2014, 02:19 PM

Is the black 6 speed you posted going in here?

grendel

10-28-2014, 02:31 PM

Is the black 6 speed you posted going in here?

Yes, mid shift TR6060. Need to make a shifter for it. Using a 4th gen Fbody center console on top of the trans tunnel that Scott Mock will modify to fit.

Swain

10-28-2014, 02:51 PM

Lookin Good

grendel

10-28-2014, 04:01 PM

Lookin Good

Thanks Jay - Can't wait to see Budniks on it.

coolwelder62

11-01-2014, 06:34 PM

Well I met John, his son & Friend Tarell today. Very nice folk's. It's so cool to meet good customer's.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

syborg tt

11-02-2014, 06:10 AM

Subscribed.

Ps bringing my Scott Mock subframe home next weekend to start working on it. Can't wait to put it together.

Marty-MJ
www.garagescene.net

Rick D

11-02-2014, 06:19 AM

Subscribed.

Ps bringing my Scott Mock subframe home next weekend to start working on it. Can't wait to put it together.

Marty-MJ
www.garagescene.net

Ummm don't you need a car as well?? :lol: :hello: :poke:

grendel

11-02-2014, 05:28 PM

So, I drove 1500 miles starting Friday, got there Saturday in time for a good Burrito. Left my Camaro, a boat load of parts, my 2012 GMC Sierra and my 32' all aluminum trailer with Scott and flew out today, in time to watch the Patriots take out the Broncos.

After meeting Scott and seeing his shop, I know he's the right person to:

Gut the car, it drove off the trailer.
Build a front sub-frame with C6 suspension, Flaming River rack and pinion and ride tech 3 way shocks that mounts a LS3 and TR6060. I brought motor mounts, trans mounts, rear differential mounts, sub frame mounts and a whole lot more.
Install a complete stainless exhaust.
install the ride tech tiger cage.
install front kick down bars to his sub frame.
build round tube sub frame connectors.
install/modify the rear 5th gen Camaro suspension.
install the brake booster, clutch master cylinder, steering column, intermediate shaft and u-joints
modify the fire wall and trans tunnel for the TR6060, LS3 and associated shifter
install the DSE mini tubs
mount a 4th Gen Camaro center console
His prices are also very good, so I ordered a new wiring harness, ride tech tiger cage, ride tech shocks and an AC kit for my Camaro.
Measure for an install a fuel tank.
More I am forgetting.

We fly back on December 4th to drive it all home.

I also got to order my entire list of goods, so the car should be in very good shape when it comes back. EFI, seats, clutch, bell housing, etc.

I got back home to see pics like this:

waynieZ

11-02-2014, 06:15 PM

His welds are amazing! its going to be a sweet ride when the both of you are done with it. Keep the up dates coming I love to see build pictures.

syborg tt

11-03-2014, 08:42 AM

Ummm don't you need a car as well?? :lol: :hello: :poke:

Long Story but nope I acquired my old 70 Z28 back last weekend so it looks like I will be putting my Sub-frame under it and then sending it to Scott to put the IRS under the rear so I can make it a roller.

grendel

11-03-2014, 08:47 AM

Long Story but nope I acquired my old 70 Z28 back last weekend so it looks like I will be putting my Sub-frame under it and then sending it to Scott to put the IRS under the rear so I can make it a roller.

Heh, what IRS?

Looks like I have a high clearance transmission mount - I have four pics of this, but this is the best:

waynieZ

11-03-2014, 09:03 AM

It looks like its designed better then a factory one, Plenty rigid.

ryeguy2006a

11-03-2014, 09:21 AM

That is a wicked looking build man!! I will be keeping tabs on this one.

grendel

11-03-2014, 09:53 AM

That is a wicked looking build man!! I will be keeping tabs on this one.

Thanks man. Sadly, I drove right by y'all and had room in the trailer for the Corvette. :EmoteClueless:

srh3trinity

11-03-2014, 10:17 AM

grendel

11-03-2014, 10:32 AM

I am jealous, I have his first rendition of the subframe and it looks like he is really stepping it up with the trans crossmember and all of the cool lightening holes. His RideTech prices were great and I bought my coilovers when I got my subframe. Until I found my local builder, I had talked with him about sending my Firebird up to him.

You'd have a shorter drive than I did :).

As far as I know, these options were available. The mandrel bent rails were in the corner of his shop, rusting away.

I challenged Scott, as he under prices his work and most people push for "cheap" instead of "awesome". I told him to err on awesome. I want his best and gave him the freedom to push himself.

So far, he has not disappointed and it's been worth the drive.

coolwelder62

11-03-2014, 10:52 AM

You'd have a shorter drive than I did :).

As far as I know, these options were available. The mandrel bent rails were in the corner of his shop, rusting away.

I challenged Scott, as he under prices his work and most people push for "cheap" instead of "awesome". I told him to err on awesome. I want his best and gave him the freedom to push himself.

So far, he has not disappointed and it's been worth the drive.Thanks John,I have a large price increase coming in Jan.!!!!!!:G-Dub:

grendel

11-03-2014, 11:51 AM

Thanks John,I have a large price increase coming in Jan.!!!!!!:G-Dub:

So, this is why, eh?

Custom motor mounts for the Dirty Dingo motor mounts that can be slid forward or back for weight transfer, based on the transmission mount?
Chromoly dropped steering arms to avoid any bump steer, that will take the forces of 2 12" wide tires?

grendel

11-04-2014, 12:30 PM

Instead of the dual quad carbs, I decided on FAST 2.0 EZ EFI. It will control the MSD coils and timing just fine.

Summit sent me a mighty care package today. Will be fun to install it all.

grendel

11-05-2014, 05:37 AM

Summit dropped off a care package for me yesterday. My son had a blast opening the boxes and taking pictures for me. He thinks he's getting the car. Scott also ordered all the ride tech stuff needed for the car. Fuel cell is the last item needed, we're probably going to need something custom. Have a care package going to him, as soon as Flaming River sends my steering intermediate shaft and lower u-joint for the rack that's already with Scott. I picked up a new stainless and powder coated column for it. Will use a Budnik wheel.

So, the FAST EFI looks like a thing of beauty. Sadly, I was going for looks and I think they nailed it. I also went for HP, and this has enough fuel for 1200hp. I also picked up new coils, as I like running the same thing across all vehicles, when I can. Again, also supports 1200+ HP.

Had a set back with the engine build. We got the wrong rods... so had to pop another 1K plus for the right ones... :G-Dub:

Reciprocating assembly will now support 1500 HP. Heads are good for 1200.

Oh and the transmission is warrantied for 1800hp.

Sensing something wicked this way coming.

waynieZ

11-05-2014, 05:52 AM

Wow going to be impressive numbers!

grendel

11-05-2014, 03:18 PM

And we have a completed sub frame, waiting for the Corvette C7 arms, knuckles and spindles with a splined sway bar.... can't wait to see the IRS go on.

waynieZ

11-05-2014, 03:35 PM

Very Nice, the man's an artist. Is it going to be powder coated or are you doing it when it come back?

coolwelder62

11-05-2014, 03:59 PM

Deconstruction of 73 Camaro begins tomorrow. Snap-on Tool guy came by & I ordered a new set of BFH's. Should make the job easier !!!!!!!!!!!.

waynieZ

11-05-2014, 04:04 PM

You know what they say "the right tool for the right job!"

coolwelder62

11-05-2014, 04:23 PM

You know what they say "the right tool for the right job!"I got the correct hammer size's from Greg Weld. Notice the adjustable trans mount. Now when you order a sub frame to fit and LS & T-56 6 speed and then change your mind to run a 4 cylinder & turbo 400 trans after the frame show's up.Your covered.!!!!!!!

waynieZ

11-05-2014, 05:12 PM

Another reason to pick your sub frame. Someone else would be hitting you for more parts.
Scott when you use your sub frame is there a specific header that fits better?

grendel

11-05-2014, 05:19 PM

Very Nice, the man's an artist. Is it going to be powder coated or are you doing it when it come back?

Scott and I never talked about it. He can do it, or I can.

coolwelder62

11-05-2014, 05:49 PM

Another reason to pick your sub frame. Someone else would be hitting you for more parts.
Scott when you use your sub frame is there a specific header that fits better?I have 3 different headers MFG. that work very well.Email me or call me.

grendel

11-06-2014, 07:30 AM

And we have the rack mounted.

I use these Flaming River quick ratio racks in everything. They are well built, pretty and very durable.

srh3trinity

11-06-2014, 10:29 AM

Another reason to pick your sub frame. Someone else would be hitting you for more parts.
Scott when you use your sub frame is there a specific header that fits better?
I bought some Hooker LS1 swap for FIRST GENS for my second gen subframe and they fit well with Dirty Dingo mounts. I had tried some Dynatechs that I had and they wouldn't have worked out. I have the early design of Scott's subframe, these have a few different gussets so I am not sure about header fitment with that, but it doesn't look that different.

grendel

11-06-2014, 07:17 PM

I bought stainless works "wayne due" headers for this. We'll see what happens with them. I also bought 3" v-bands (x6) for the entire exhaust, so that it's serviceable. Plan to use all of them.

waynieZ

11-06-2014, 07:22 PM

That's a good idea, I'd like to put V bands on mine when I get ready to do my exhaust.

coolwelder62

11-06-2014, 07:52 PM

I bought stainless works "wayne due" headers for this. We'll see what happens with them. I also bought 3" v-bands (x6) for the entire exhaust, so that it's serviceable. Plan to use all of them.The stainless works header's are really nice. Will be putting V-bands at header collector,behind the muffler's,and probably somewhere behind the IRS,3 per side.

waynieZ

11-06-2014, 07:56 PM

Are the pipes getting mounted solid to the frame and using braded connectors?

grendel

11-07-2014, 06:37 AM

Are the pipes getting mounted solid to the frame and using braded connectors?

I'd like to use something like this:
http://www.deedsengineering.com/shop/hangers/billet-exhaust-hanger/

But they're out of stock.

waynieZ

11-07-2014, 08:17 AM

That's a nice looking set up.

grendel

11-07-2014, 09:07 AM

Today is like Christmas. The Ride Tech triples and Vette control arms/spindles showed up.

It's looking awesome and like a world class winning front suspension.

I hope I can drive to it's potential!:ohsnap:

Sonar Chief

11-07-2014, 10:17 AM

That was fast ... and the steering arms are already cut off, nice.

Looking good, Scott will do it right fer sure!!!!

grendel

11-07-2014, 10:25 AM

I think I need to do some sanding and polishing on the forged aluminum pieces.

grendel

11-09-2014, 06:27 AM

So my engine builder had a problem with the crank's diameter and the rods we got cheap wouldn't work right.

So, Callies MagnumXL crank deserves Callies Ultra rods, right?

They came in yesterday. Crank, rods and custom pistons go out for balancing Monday. Should have the motor together before the car comes back from Scott.

I love the fact that everything on the car (that I know of) is made in the US.

grendel

11-09-2014, 07:28 AM

and it's like Christmas again...

Giffin Motorsports sent me info on the Callies rods and now Scott sent an update that we have hubs and sway bars in place.

I can't wait to see this Bad Larry bolted into the car with the DSE aluminum body pucks I bought. I even found stainless grade 8 bolts for it when we do final assembly.

radrambler

11-09-2014, 08:49 AM

Looking Good !!

BigJoe

11-09-2014, 10:14 AM

absolutely awesome build, my 73 is very very jealous

waynieZ

11-09-2014, 10:22 AM

Awesome set of rods one of the best out there.

grendel

11-11-2014, 02:37 PM

Today was a bad day for the Camaro... the rear end fell out!

Found a bit of rust, which doesn't surprise... it will get cut out anyway.

Mock up (pun intended) shows that Scott will get the IRS in. It will still feature a removable cradle.

waynieZ

11-11-2014, 09:57 PM

Don't worry that happens with age at least to people! You'll have a swinging new rear in no time!!

grendel

11-12-2014, 09:58 AM

I asked Scott to play with the rear hubs, would be nice to get matching wheel bolt patterns and lug nuts. He thinks he can open up the rear knuckle to fit a Corvette rear hub. Bolt pattern is the same. The pics show one one of my front hubs, which are dimensionally the same as the rear Vette hub.

We're measuring to be sure the rear Camaro Brembo brakes will fit. If not, pretty sure ZO6 brakes will. Or Baers... since I have them in the front.

The rusty hub is the Camaro rear.

coolwelder62

11-12-2014, 10:50 AM

The stick out is the same from Camaro to corvette.

grendel

11-12-2014, 11:08 AM

The stick out is the same from Camaro to corvette.

Now the only piece of the puzzle is axle shafts and their splines.

Ron in SoCal

11-12-2014, 11:27 AM

The stick out is the same from Camaro to corvette.

1 5/8" IIRC...

grendel

11-12-2014, 11:42 AM

1 5/8" IIRC...

Thanks Ron, do you know if they share the same spline size for the axle shaft engagement?

Ron in SoCal

11-12-2014, 11:51 AM

Thanks Ron, do you know if they share the same spline size for the axle shaft engagement?

I can not comment on that JJ. I've only played with the C6 hubs.

I bet Matt Jones at AME would know.

grendel

11-12-2014, 11:57 AM

I can not comment on that JJ. I've only played with the C6 hubs.

I bet Matt Jones at AME would know.

Thanks for the response. I am not sure it's fair for me to call him. I am not buying their product.

We'll find out when the rear hubs come in. May have to do custom axle shafts regardless.

grendel

11-12-2014, 02:03 PM

It's been a bad day for the Camaro... first the rear end falls out, then the entire engine, trans and sub frame drops out.

Fortunately, Scott made a cart to haul around the new one... and it's all going in soon.

Seems like most of the ed-construction is done. We have a new column, slave cyl with bracket, new intermediate steering shaft, new steering ujoints and hydro booster to go on the firewall. New exhaust, new trans, new engine, new front subframe, new rear suspension...

Should be fun. It is sad seeing it completely apart. I am glad I am not doing it though. Hard to take down a car that my youngest daughter loves and said "I love little cars with big horsepower". She turns 9 on Sunday.

grendel

11-12-2014, 03:44 PM

I've been thinking about this project and ordering parts for about 3 months now.

Looks like the advice I got on the stainless works headers was dead on. Can't wait to see these with the stainless v-bands welded on.

waynieZ

11-12-2014, 03:55 PM

Looking good John, Scott.

Sonar Chief

11-12-2014, 04:14 PM

That looks great .... nice choice of headers too!

Your daughter will love to drive this car when she gets older :idea:

grendel

11-12-2014, 04:16 PM

That looks great .... nice choice of headers too!

Your daughter will love to drive this car when she gets older :idea:

She just may get to. She'd very competitive, so might be a racer in my future.

They like watching me race my bike, so we're talking about getting this on the track.

grendel

11-15-2014, 02:00 PM

I visited KC for work, so decided to take Scott out for dinner. We ate half a cow... seriously, the steak house we went to served me the "Tomahawk Chop" - 3 lbs of bone in deliciousness.

I also got to visit with my car. Scott's a genius, he made the best handling car, ever - The Hover Car - It uses repulsor technology.

Actually, he has it on a cart to move around. Working in the "business" you have to hate customers like me. He spent a lot of time to disassemble the car with the nose on. When I visited, I focused on the ugliness that is the firewall... and had a might as well moment. Yep, the nose is coming off, so Scott can shave the firewall completely. We're moving the wiper motor to the driver's fender and have all new slave and master cyl brackets. Of course, the new motor is an LS, so the big honking coil goes away too.

During dinner, after I visited, Scott let the cat out of the bag. The paint is hiding lots of ugliness. I never really looked at it, knew it was a plastic restoration, but 1/2" of Bondo is too much for me. Same with rusted trunk sections. Yep, another might as well moment - Scott is taking it all the way down to the shell and it's off to media blasting on Tuesday via Scott's rotisserie. When it gets back, Scott has two 1/4 panels and two trunk drop offs. He's re-working the rusty frame rails for the reworked IRS cradle, so that's a non-issue.

Oh and the stainless works headers have the 02 bung on the wrong side. These headers were for the Wayne Due chassis, which is not made anymore (that I know of), so they get a pass... Scott will TIG bungs on the other side and we'll cap these.

waynieZ

11-15-2014, 02:57 PM

Wow look at all the money you'll save on tires, and you'll never kick up stones and chip the paint!
When I saw you were there I thought, not only does he do awesome fab work but at lightning speed too!

RdHuggr68

11-15-2014, 03:45 PM

Jesus!! Don't wear him out before I get to him. :twak: :twak:

Sonar Chief

11-15-2014, 05:05 PM

Coming along nicely! Half inch of BONDO? ..... that'll buff out :sarcasm_smiley:

Silly question .... what difference which side the O2 sensors is on? I've never messed with them YET, thinking of putting them on my headers for sensors.

Man I wished I had a garage as nice as Scott's, I'd settle for half and a nice heater. We've had snow since Thursday and it won't be above freezing until Tuesday!!!!

grendel

11-15-2014, 05:31 PM

srh3trinity

11-17-2014, 09:57 AM

Put a lightening hole there and you could probably get the o2 sensor in there.

grendel

11-17-2014, 01:46 PM

And it's on the rotisserie - wondering what we'll find under the mud, the blood and my tears.

(Hate this part, a pretty car becomes worthless when undressed, had to reference Johnny Cash)

grendel

11-21-2014, 05:09 PM

So, the cadaver went off to find out what's hanging out under that red paint on Tuesday... was supposed to be done that day, but Scott's still waiting...

While that's off, he's been playing with some of the firewall mods. We bought a DSE panel and a wiper motor to move under the driver's fender. He also bought more body pucks to mount the rear IRS.

For some reason, the slave cylinder kit didn't line up, so Scott added a double capture bracket to allow some shifting. He also made a mount for the hydro boost that's going in, so we can stop reliably.

waynieZ

11-21-2014, 05:31 PM

Did it look in tough shape ?

grendel

11-21-2014, 05:44 PM

Did it look in tough shape ?

No, but we found more than a 1/2" of bondo in the quarters. I have to do it right.

waynieZ

11-21-2014, 06:11 PM

That's for sure, would suck to have it come out later. Oh! Those are some nice looking parts.

coolwelder62

11-21-2014, 07:30 PM

The Media blaster has always jumped right on thing's for me. He had a shop full of project's. It's super cold here that maybe a factor. Now it's raining and suppose to keep raining for the next 4 or 5 days. Just want to get the Camaro back home & :gitrdun:

grendel

11-22-2014, 10:52 AM

grendel

11-29-2014, 01:42 PM

And he's got it back and back on it.

Needs both quarters, trunk drop offs and a brake light panel. There was a bit of small rust and some really bad repairs.

He also installed the DSE firewall panel and the DSE wiper motor over under the driver's side fender. The firewall should get cleaner, with random holes getting filled in, etc.

coolwelder62

11-29-2014, 02:45 PM

I will get inside the car and strip out all the old crappy wiring ( just wanted to get back on the car after a week & half layoff of media blasting & eatin turkey). Get some panels fabricated to fill the hole's where the old owner run all the wiring from. I think every single wire had it's own hole. There's like 52 holes to cover or weld shut. Raingear doesn't make a kit for the 2nd gens. So we are using a DSE wiper kit supplied by B&B Classic's. Thank's Billy.

waynieZ

11-29-2014, 02:53 PM

The DSE kit looks like a nice set up. I wish I had got to put the wiper motor under the fender but it never happened. It cleans the firewall up so nice.

grendel

11-29-2014, 03:04 PM

So, I recived a few PMs about the cage.

It's a stainless tiger cage done by Ride Tech. All 304 stainless, all tig welded. Some say they can do better, I love their products and engineering that goes into them. No paint needed.

Also, the reason we blasted: I knew there was shoddy body work under there. It was a 10' car. What is showing in bare metal is actually dangerous. New quarters, new trunk drop offs and a new rear valence all needed... the rear frame rails were junk too. Scott has his work cut out for him (pun intended) and will rebuild the rear rails to mount the IRS.

I love it when a plan comes together! (bonus points for the reference cite)...

andrewb70

11-30-2014, 07:27 AM

Great build. You're not wasting any time.

I don't know what you were planning for a driveshaft, but give Frank a call at The Driveshaft Shop (http://www.driveshaftshop.com)

He has adapters that will convert the 3-prong 5th Gen Camaro pinion yoke and convert it over to a 108mm CV joint.

He also just came out with some CV joint slip yokes for various transmissions. Here is one that I got for my f-body T56:

http://www.pro-touring.com/~andrewb/cougar/103.jpg

http://www.pro-touring.com/~andrewb/cougar/102.jpg

They can also build you a double CV driveshaft (in either carbon or aluminum) which will completely eliminate all concerns regarding driveline angles. I've been running a single CV shaft in my GTO for a few years now and plan on doing a double CV shaft in my 1967 Cougar build.

Frank can also set you up with drive axles for the rear end.

Andrew

grendel

11-30-2014, 04:52 PM

Great build. You're not wasting any time.

I don't know what you were planning for a driveshaft, but give Frank a call at The Driveshaft Shop (http://www.driveshaftshop.com)

They can also build you a double CV driveshaft (in either carbon or aluminum) which will completely eliminate all concerns regarding driveline angles. I've been running a single CV shaft in my GTO for a few years now and plan on doing a double CV shaft in my 1967 Cougar build.

Frank can also set you up with drive axles for the rear end.

Andrew

Thanks, but I will cut down a 5th Gen Camaro drive-shaft. You know with IRS, it doesn't really move that much, right?

grendel

12-01-2014, 07:14 PM

Scott got busy on the firewall shave, with the wiper motor relocation. I think it will look very nice with a new Baer Master Cyl on that booster.

grendel

12-02-2014, 07:09 AM

LOL, I get to pay Scott to sit down and watch a DVD.

Of course, it's for the DSE mini tubs. They go in today.

waynieZ

12-02-2014, 07:20 AM

Are you going body color on the engine bay or are you going to use another color?

grendel

12-02-2014, 07:29 AM

Are you going body color on the engine bay or are you going to use another color?

Firewall will be body color. Inner fenders will be carbon fiber. Radiator support will be matte black, with a lot of aluminum. I have aluminum block off panels, too. They will be body color.

grendel

12-05-2014, 11:07 AM

Scott's back at it, after a sandblasted turkey induced coma. :)

DSE mini tubs are in.

I *should* be able to fit a GTO rear seat and 2 smaller kids back there...

Ride Tech says the Tiger Cage will work with the tubs. If not, Scott says he can make em fit.

waynieZ

12-05-2014, 05:04 PM

This build is moving right along!

Sonar Chief

12-05-2014, 05:09 PM

grendel

12-06-2014, 07:43 AM

Mini tubs are the way to go :superhack: :superhack:

Are the floors in good shape, they look solid. Just need the quarters replaced? How are the wheelhouses?

Moving along nicely ... waiting on the IRS install pixs!

Floors are solid and from what I can tell, original to the car. It's amazing for a New England car. Quarters could be patched, but it's better (IMHO) to go with new complete ones. Trunk drop offs and the rear tail light valence are junk. Scott says everything else is good to go.

Sonar Chief

12-06-2014, 01:19 PM

That's good to hear! Yeah that NE humidity accelerated the rust on my car just from sitting still ... grrrrr!

grendel

12-09-2014, 01:30 PM

Lighter cars are faster, right?

grendel

12-12-2014, 01:42 PM

Scott's gotten past the point of taking more stuff off and we've started putting stuff back on. Left side trunk drop off is in and the driver's quarter panel is "Mocked" (pun intended) on, ready to weld.

I don't think he used enough clamps... did anyone buy stock in Irwin?

waynieZ

12-12-2014, 01:47 PM

Its getting good with parts be put back on!!

grendel

12-16-2014, 04:00 PM

After a lot of careful work, we have a driver's side quarter installed. Although I hate this part of a build, slow and steady wins the race. He's TIG'g them on.

The body gaps seem right, with a little bit of play, they should be perfect.

waynieZ

12-16-2014, 07:12 PM

Nice!

Rick D

12-17-2014, 03:39 AM

Looks great, are those AMD qtrs? :thankyou:

coolwelder62

12-17-2014, 01:53 PM

Looks great, are those AMD qtrs? :thankyou:1/4's are OER brand unit's. Came Classic Part's of America In north KC. Salesman wouldn't sell me AMD unit's.

Rick D

12-17-2014, 05:24 PM

1/4's are OER brand unit's. Came Classic Part's of America In north KC. Salesman wouldn't sell me AMD unit's.

Ummmm :headscratch:

syborg tt

12-17-2014, 08:23 PM

Looks nice

Marty-MJ
www.garagescene.net

Sonar Chief

12-18-2014, 03:23 PM

Skins are OER? How did they fit? The car is looking like a car again .... are the IRS pixs coming soon? :poke:

Just messing w ya ... keep up the great work!

grendel

12-18-2014, 03:30 PM

Skins are OER? How did they fit? The car is looking like a car again .... are the IRS pixs coming soon? :poke:

Just messing w ya ... keep up the great work!

Trust me Chief, no one wants to see that more than I do.

This is not my favorite part of any build, considering it's backwards to the build.

grendel

12-20-2014, 06:11 AM

The right side needed a bit more love, so the outer (DSE is now innner) needed replacement.

grendel

12-23-2014, 04:33 PM

The right side quarter is on, but for a little more TIG welding.

Scott decided to start playing with the fun stuff. Installing the front suspension... that include C7 components. :)

waynieZ

12-23-2014, 04:42 PM

Those parts are going to make such a nice build. It looks good and the subsframe's not even painted.

grendel

12-24-2014, 08:15 AM

Now that the sheet metal repair is mostly done (still a little TIG welding left) I can order the carbon fiber panels I need, inner and outer front fenders, maybe door skins (opinions?) a less visions intrusive hood, etc. I do want to stay with the non RS/Split bumper nose I have, as the full bumper is staying. Need opinions there. Most of the carbon fiber will be painted, may do SS stripes in clear.

Scott can also get back into the more fun stuff... like installing my front sub frame. It truly looks amazing, like it was built for the car. The headers fit very nicely, as does the trans/bell housing. Looks like the lowest point on the car (so far) will be the lower C7 a-arm. That includes the headers, which just needed a stainless o2 bung welded inside, as the one Stainless Works put on would interfere with the sub frame. Can't wait to see the v-bands TIG'd on to the true dual exhaust with a crossover pipe. Scott also has a new Z/28 there to see how they did the exhaust over the 5th gen IRS we're using.

I had a TR6060 built with a mid mount shifter. May end up going with a tail mounted shifter, as it lines up with the factory shifter hole. I did buy a gen4 Camaro console, as I thought it would clean up the floor nicely. It's supposed to fit the mid mount better on our cars. All sorts of interest there. If not, I have a line on a Gen 5 console, that may fit the tail mounted shifter better. Still juggling that.

grendel

12-24-2014, 08:21 AM

So it looks like I have to move my mid mount shifter. The gen4 console works great with the tail shifter position.

Scott will re-work the trans tunnel a little and create mounts for the center console. Can't wait to see all those holes filled. Someone was installing shifter boots by braille! Also looks like I can use a Lokar ebrake handle in the OEM gen iv position. Also can't wait to get rid of all the crappy wiring.

It also looks like I may help clear up a reputation issue on the board... I found a 1 gen Camaro sub frame of Scott's that needs love shown to it, installed into a 68 Camaro convertible I have here. May grab Wayne's SBC for that ;).

grendel

12-24-2014, 07:51 PM

Merry Christmas, everyone.

waynieZ

12-24-2014, 07:53 PM

Same to you and your family JJ.

waynieZ

12-24-2014, 07:59 PM

It looks like its going to work out nice.

syborg tt

12-26-2014, 09:02 AM

I'm loving this build !

Marty-mj
www.garagescene.net www.syborgtwinturbo.com www.2ndcamaro.com

grendel

01-01-2015, 07:18 AM

With the final body repair (except for doors and fenders, it's time to call Anvil) we can get onto more fun things.

Like chopping up a 2012 Camaro IRS to fit into a 73 Camaro. Scott will also have to fabricate a lot of the rear floor pan, hope I can use the 2006 GTO rear seat I bought.

I ordered a Rick's tank with Vaporworx and a CTSV twin fuel pump set up. It's very pretty and should provide this motor with all the fuel it needs.

Scott also got the front down on wheels with new metric lug nuts, and build rear stand offs to make it more moveable. I can't wait to see the flaming river stainless column, u-joints and intermediate shaft hanging through that saved firewall. Scott also makes brackets for the vintage air unit under the dash.

We've decided to re-drill the rear Camaro hubs, as they have a slightly different bolt pattern, but also use a meatier axle shaft than the Corvette hubs. Although I wonder if a later model Camaro (C6 or C7) uses the same spline count as the Camaro. I do have a set of C6 ZO6 rear hubs here, along with the entire rear suspension.

Can't wait to see the firewall supports, sub frame connectors and Ride Tech cage installed. Should be a very stiff chassis.

Sonar Chief

01-01-2015, 08:22 AM

Happy New Year ... man that Camaro is looking great! Scott is cutting up the rear end, getting close :popcorn2:

You bringing to Pikes Peak OUSCI this year?

Michael

XLexusTech

01-01-2015, 08:24 AM

Looking good JJ

glassman

01-01-2015, 08:44 AM

That is some serious work right there!! Love watching this one come together....

grendel

01-01-2015, 09:00 AM

I’ve confirmed that the Camaro hub is 33 spline:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276561

Same as the Z06/Z07/ ZR1 Corvette.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-tech-performance/2758200-differences-between-front-and-rear-hubs.html

Might be an expensive way to avoid drilling a new bolt pattern in the rear hubs?

Anyone with first hand knowledge?

Thanks for all the check ins, BTW. Happy New Year.

waynieZ

01-01-2015, 09:55 AM

Nice parts. It looks good all coming together.

grendel

01-02-2015, 05:48 PM

Ever read your own build threads to remind yourself of how far a project has gone?

Yeah, me neither :goggles:

I am really looking forward to getting this back, getting my motor/trans into it and some paint on 'er.

grendel

01-04-2015, 02:25 PM

I ordered all the DSE adjustable linkages for the rear suspension. Should be a fun box for the UPS driver...

linzbach

01-04-2015, 10:28 PM

Amazing progress... Scott has more metal shaping talent in his little finger than I do in my entire body. Thanks for the frequent updates, very inspiring to those of us who aren't moving at LightSpeed like you two :)

grendel

01-05-2015, 01:04 PM

I can't wait to post pics of the necxt phase... it looks like we're going full frame, just ordered these, which will be cut in through the floor pan. Scott's got something up his sleeve, he won't send me pics :)

Ppd1979

01-05-2015, 01:49 PM

Where are those rails from

Beach Cruiser

01-06-2015, 04:17 AM

Great Build! Scott is doing some impressive work. Can't wait to see how the IRS is set up in the car. I love the IRS in my car!

nicks67ca

01-06-2015, 04:31 AM

Where are those rails from

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cee-3032

Google image search!

grendel

01-09-2015, 09:48 AM

Frame rails are in KS... which means it's cutting time.

Looking forward to the next pics from Scott.

waynieZ

01-09-2015, 11:15 AM

Frame rails are in KS... which means it's cutting time.

Looking forward to the next pics from Scott.

Me Too!

That's going to be a hell of a draft! Especially how this is going to run with that Whipple on it!!

grendel

01-09-2015, 11:33 AM

Me Too!

That's going to be a hell of a draft! Especially how this is going to run with that Whipple on it!!

Sorry, this doesn't get a whipple...

The IRS is placed up and level. Scott has a migraine. I am glad he has a 5th gen to reference. I also just bought a ZL1.

waynieZ

01-09-2015, 12:53 PM

Its catchy isn't it.

PonchoJohn

01-10-2015, 08:48 AM

Just finished reading the whole thread-- IMPRESSIVE!!!

grendel

01-12-2015, 07:40 AM

I really can't wait to get this back... considering my truck and trailer is still out there.

Do you know how tough it is to live without a pick up? :hitaxeonthehead:

grendel

01-13-2015, 06:05 AM

Yesterday Scott amused himself by making blocks...

Blocks that got welded into the rockers and the place formerly known as rear frame rails. This gives a solid mounting point for the sub frame tie ins and the new rear frame rails that will need to be dissected to fit the IRS.

Stay tuned for the next episode of "As the wire spool turns". :bigun2:

it's always a pivotal time in a project or even mini-project, when you stop cutting and start adding.

waynieZ

01-13-2015, 01:18 PM

They definitely look beefy enough.

grendel

01-14-2015, 11:19 AM

Giffin sent pics of the reciprocating assembly for the "rpm" motor. They are so very pretty.

grendel

01-14-2015, 03:35 PM

Since we posted the engine porn shots, Scott felt he had to one up Giffin.

The IRS is in and level... if it passes a few expert looks, it will get gusseted and burnt in. It's using DSI bushings to mount the factory sub frame to the new mount points Scott welded in. Certainly not for the weak hearted.

grendel

01-21-2015, 12:33 PM

Since I am going through Camaro update withdrawals, Giff thought he'd cheer me up.

The block's ready to receive the internals and it's getting it's first coat of paint. I also got in the shaft mount lightweight rockers for it, so will run those up shortly.

grendel

01-27-2015, 03:26 PM

Scott's making progress on the IRS. I will order rims soon.

Meanwhile, there's 29.5" of snow here... over the last 24 hours.

waynieZ

01-27-2015, 05:52 PM

You got to love New England!

bsharpe

01-28-2015, 03:20 PM

I vote for flares. I think you can get the spectre flares from Cambell Auto.
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah257/bsharpe4/Mobile%20Uploads/SpectreCamaro_zpsb174bbea.jpg

grendel

01-29-2015, 03:21 PM

I vote for flares. I think you can get the spectre flares from Cambell Auto.
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah257/bsharpe4/Mobile%20Uploads/SpectreCamaro_zpsb174bbea.jpg

If I did flares, they would have to be complete. Those look like they only cover the top of the tire. I like the roadster shop ones.

Beach Cruiser

01-30-2015, 04:10 AM

The Roadster shop says they still have all the molds, just order up a whole body kit!

grendel

01-30-2015, 06:54 AM

The Roadster shop says they still have all the molds, just order up a whole body kit!

They also said they have to do it their way to make that happen.

I did have that thought :)

grendel

01-30-2015, 02:19 PM

Scott got the sub frame connectors in today.

I also order a set of ring bros hood hinges to go with with bling I have for under hood play.

waynieZ

01-30-2015, 06:54 PM

Nice!

grendel

02-02-2015, 06:08 PM

And we have a Vaporworx technology tank by Hector at Ricks... it's a bit big, since the IRS wants to live in the same space.

So, Hector sent a call tag and he will cut it down to fit, saving Scott some TIG work. That is what I call service.

Will still clear the exhaust that will route under the IRS and back up.

waynieZ

02-02-2015, 06:11 PM

They make some nice tanks.

grendel

02-09-2015, 12:09 PM

Scott's been working with DSE to narrow the track width a bit on the IRS. I bought all their control arms and sent them out to Scott, who cut an inch off each one. He's also building adjustable upper arms.

If this were a stock 5th Gen Camaro, at stock height, I'd be a little worried. Granted, we're a boat load lower, a 2nd Gen and do not need all the travel. I think we'll be in good shape.

He also did the TR6060 mods for the tunnel and 4th gen center console. We're working on the e-brake handle now. It will need a flat spot, under the center console slot and the cable passes through a hole later back, under the rug.

It's funny, I thought I stole the idea from LS1tech, but also found an install here. Stealing the pic from Woody - This is what it should look like: http://www.motortopia.com/files/141/album_paintjob/531cc28c8b88a/IMG_9022.jpg

waynieZ

02-09-2015, 12:42 PM

Those DSE parts look pretty stout! I'm going to try to use a 5th gen console in mine. Yours will look nice when your done.

Vince@Meanstreets

02-09-2015, 01:16 PM

Hi JJ,

Im glad Scott was able to get it sorted out.

Let me know if you need anything else.

grendel

02-09-2015, 01:29 PM

Console's in for the most part. I have to weld in the e-brake mount when it gets here. TIG should be fine.

It will be cleaned up, trimmed to fit the floor, then wrapped in leather. I love interior work, y'all should see my GMC truck's cabin.

waynieZ

02-09-2015, 01:31 PM

It looks like it fits pretty well already.

grendel

02-09-2015, 01:32 PM

It looks like it fits pretty well already.

There's a lot more room to make it contour the floor with carpet much better.

coolwelder62

02-09-2015, 01:44 PM

I can't trim the back of the console any more because the front is down all the way. Right now it sit's pretty level. any more out of the back and it will look funny.

grendel

02-09-2015, 01:47 PM

I can't trim the back of the console any more because the front is down all the way. Right now it sit's pretty level. any more out of the back and it will look funny.

Lots in the front will go away, same with the cup holders in the back. Or I add to the sides so it contours the floor. It's not hard to do. I'll take care of it when I get to do the ebrake mount and schtuff.

glassman

02-09-2015, 06:41 PM

I'd agree, take some off the bottom in the rear, loose the cup holders, no need for level, just has too look "right" for the interior. I was going "consoleless", but really need one, my original is in pretty decent shape, but these 5th gen ones have too many creature comforts to pass up...so i'ma gonna go this route

grendel

02-13-2015, 09:22 AM

I took the kids north for Skiing and came back to a bunch of pictures - some you may have already peeked at on Facebook ;).

As y'all know, Scott narrowed the DSE stuff I sent him, 2". He also cut the upper factory control arm 2". I plan to make a tubular arm when it comes back, already have a set of factory upper arms here to build a jig from. No sense to me having DSE tubular stuff and a cut and welded factory upper.

He's working with DSE on a sway bar now, if not a splined one will probably work with the sway bar links I bought from DSE - would probably give me more adjust-ability too. He's also working with Ride Tech to get the right shock, since the narrowed arms will need a shorter stroke.

It's now 62" WMS to WMS. Scott reports that a 12'' wheel with 8'' back spacing will fit well. I will roll the lips on the quarters that were installed. May also go with flares and wider stance... still have that bug in my head.

I now have to figure out what mods to do to the rear 2012 Camaro SS rotors I have. Also need to order axle shafts for the ZO6 splines.

I am really looking forward to getting this back to wrap up the final details and get my enclosed trailer back.

grendel

02-14-2015, 06:26 AM

Like all of the projects I keep, I had the car Toon'd.

Toon-ing is done by Christopher Kuster, a very good friend of mine that holds the paint brush, markers or whatever in his teeth.

The last pic is my friend Chris.

His website is http://www.paintbyteeth.com/

And yes, he's a car guy.

Kcrain

02-14-2015, 11:18 AM

Now that's some cool artwork. Lookin good.

srh3trinity

02-15-2015, 03:30 PM

Cool artwork. I am doing bulged fenders and a flare on my Firebird and we measured the other day and I am using a 19x10 wheel with about 5 inches of lip, so I think the backspace is a little under 5 with the pad. I can look back and confirm. We did mockup and are planning on going with 62 inches WMS for the rear end. I know the Camaro and Firebird wheel arches are a little different, but I can show you a picture of how much you would have to add to get the wheel to tuck in.

grendel

02-20-2015, 11:24 AM

Floors are in. Getting close to pick up. March 7th is the day!

grendel

02-20-2015, 12:44 PM

grendel

02-22-2015, 09:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECiJB3CtLyc

Looks like Scott has to cut and weld the rear OEM sway bar.

Never done one myself, so I looked it up. Doesn't look that tough.

I thought a splined bar would work, but the exhaust and gas tank needs to live there.

Ultimatly, I'll end up with a bar narrowed by DSE... it will just take forever to get.

grendel

02-24-2015, 08:36 AM

Got the custom tank from Hector at Rick's Tanks in. It's 2" shorter than his normal tank.

Scott also started on the stainless exhaust. I just ordered new mufflers and 4 180 degree bends for it. The Pypes ones won't work as well.

The exhaust will be a mix of 304 and 409 stainless now. I guess I will have it all coated to reduce heat and keep it looking the same.

Rear shocks are in, too.

srh3trinity

02-25-2015, 01:08 PM

Here are 10 inch wheels with 4.5 inch backspace set at 62.5 was to wms. Will probably bring it in a little, but planning to bulge the fender and build out some flares to accomplish the look I want.

grendel

02-27-2015, 07:48 AM

Thanks for the pics.

We have exhaust.

grendel

02-27-2015, 12:14 PM

Motor porn

waynieZ

02-27-2015, 12:47 PM

Sweet !

Vince@Meanstreets

02-27-2015, 01:39 PM

looking good JJ!

grendel

03-02-2015, 05:43 AM

and we have rims.

Forgeline DE3P's 20 inch front/ 21 inch rear (diameter) Forgeline wheels with satin black finish on all surfaces. Hand-painted red pin-stripe 20 inch diameter fronts that are 11.5 inches wide with a 7.25 inch backspace. Rears are 21 inches in diameter that are 12.5 inches wide with a 10.5 inch backspacing.

Forgeline will widen the fronts :)

Now to find tires.

oh and some welder porn for you.

grendel

03-02-2015, 12:49 PM

and we have front bars... and exhaust ready to come home.

Sonar Chief

03-02-2015, 01:27 PM

grendel

03-02-2015, 01:48 PM

Looking great Jay .... question? what column did you end up putting in the Camaro? Just looking at the details of the column and the D-D joints w crush sleeve?

Those engine bars look good ... simple is the key!

Michael

It's a Flaming River column, supposedly for the Camaro, but did not have mounting brackets on it. The intermediate shaft is also by them, with the right couplers for the steering column: 1''x48 spline end that needed to be hammered on, going to 1" DD as the shaft has a slip joint bottom is 3/4 DD that has the custom Flaming River spline on the bottom to the rack and pinion.

grendel

03-06-2015, 06:15 PM

and it's on all fours again... and the Tiger cage is in. She should be pretty stiff.

Yes, the front tires are on the rear, as the old school Boyds rub the wheel wells. I do have a roller for that, but I think the new rims will take care of it.

Have to find 21" tires... looking at Pirelli P-Zeros, if anyone has an opinion?

Also got a new tow rig in the driveway.

Vince@Meanstreets

03-06-2015, 06:49 PM

Looking good JJ!

Build-It-Break-it

03-06-2015, 07:44 PM

Is it the camera angle or is the rear wheel not centered in the wheel well? Looks pushed forward for some reason? Beautiful new truck!

waynieZ

03-06-2015, 07:51 PM

It looks nice, ready to come home?

grendel

03-07-2015, 06:00 AM

Looking good JJ!

Thanks for all your help Vince.

Is it the camera angle or is the rear wheel not centered in the wheel well? Looks pushed forward for some reason? Beautiful new truck!

I am pretty sure that's camera angle.

The truck should tow the race trailer well.

Next project is a Gen 1 for my wife to race.

It looks nice, ready to come home?

Next weekend.

waynieZ

03-07-2015, 01:25 PM

Sweet ! Nice truck.

coolwelder62

03-08-2015, 11:27 AM

Not a good photo,But this should show the TROUBLE MAKER!!!!! the rear wheel's are centered.

jydracing

03-08-2015, 12:19 PM

I had a couple of questions about my build, so I drove over to ask Scott at VRP. While I was there I looked at your car, and I think anyone who had any knowledge of building a car, would be more than proud to own, the end product that Scott has produced for you!!!! Your car looks really nice. Scott has done a really good job.

grendel

03-08-2015, 01:00 PM

millertime179

03-08-2015, 06:41 PM

Nice work Scott! John, I've seen your project come along and it's turned out pretty cool. I think you will have an awesome car when finished!
Kevin miller

grendel

03-10-2015, 07:08 PM

and we're making progress on the motor.

In other news, a car I thought I would not see after the plant shut down for 4 months was delivered to my dealer. A 2015 Corvette Z06 with the Z07 package.

I will take delivery of it shortly :).

We'll race this Camaro and the Z06.

waynieZ

03-10-2015, 08:21 PM

DAMN! That's a sweet ride!! Both of them.

Vince@Meanstreets

03-10-2015, 10:25 PM

thats cool JJ

coolwelder62

03-11-2015, 03:39 PM

This thread need the proper photo.

grendel

03-11-2015, 03:53 PM

I need to find pics of me, in the 80's prior to my Army enlistment. :hello:

Beach Cruiser

03-13-2015, 08:19 AM

I still have a Mullet! Sorta, at my age I'm lucky to still have hair! Is that baffle pan from Improved Racing? I have their stuff in my motor and they sponsor me.

grendel

03-15-2015, 07:25 AM

I still have a Mullet! Sorta, at my age I'm lucky to still have hair! Is that baffle pan from Improved Racing? I have their stuff in my motor and they sponsor me.

Sure is. We went back and forth on sump-less and less complication and this seemed like a great compromise.

Edit: And for the record, it's home. Time to get BIZZY! :)

grendel

03-20-2015, 05:30 PM

Still working out the rears, but this is the front... and I love it.

waynieZ

03-20-2015, 06:58 PM

That is sweet!

grendel

03-20-2015, 07:28 PM

The rear with Camaro hubs and rotors. Have ZL1 Brembos too. Just need to move the rear shock in to clear the rim/tire.

waynieZ

03-20-2015, 09:37 PM

Forgeline make a nice wheel.

grendel

03-22-2015, 07:11 PM

and we have rear brakes... wondering how close is too close? Last pic shows the caliper to rim clearance.

Also wondering if I can find a flatter caliper for the Camaro SS rotor and abutment.

waynieZ

03-22-2015, 07:39 PM

Do they make a banjo fitting that small ?Do you have room for a small wheel spacer?
Never mind just noticed it the whole piece of the caliper. Is that the bleeder?

Vince@Meanstreets

03-22-2015, 11:20 PM

is it hits your too close, if it doesn't hit you are good. :D

The fixed caliper doesn't move.

grendel

03-23-2015, 06:35 AM

is it hits your too close, if it doesn't hit you are good. :D

The fixed caliper doesn't move.

I talked with my friend Mike Hickman. Specs are at least 2.5MM of clearance, since the rim will flex in heavy corners.

I have 4MM.

The caliper still doesn't match the front...

waynieZ

03-23-2015, 08:56 AM

Well if you change it at least it was a choice not a fix to a problem.

grendel

03-25-2015, 10:08 AM

Do they make a banjo fitting that small ?Do you have room for a small wheel spacer?
Never mind just noticed it the whole piece of the caliper. Is that the bleeder?

For the record, the threaded insert is for the bleeder valve. It doesn't overlap the outer body of the caliper.

and we have more engine porn. Shaft mounted rockers with the correct length push rods, due to shaved heads.

waynieZ

03-25-2015, 02:03 PM

Nice!

Beach Cruiser

03-26-2015, 04:33 AM

That Motor looks Healthy!

grendel

03-26-2015, 05:27 AM

So, opinions on paint?

It was originally pull me over red. When we obtained it, we had every color car under the sun.

Now everything's black.

And I think this thing would be wicked in deep black with carbon fiber accents.

So, candy apple red or deep black? Either will have carbon fiber accents, perhaps even including flares.

I am fixing the quarters, gaps and lead work will be flawless so the car will not have a single dip, orange peel or defect.

Evan Iroc-Z

03-26-2015, 06:49 AM

Candy apple red with black carbon accents would be pretty cool. However, if you are going for a more subtle look the deep black with black carbon accents would fit the bill.

Personally, I think this car need the red with carbon.

grendel

03-26-2015, 10:58 AM

That Motor looks Healthy!

Thanks. I like it so far :)

grendel

04-07-2015, 08:51 AM

Starting to think about selling this off.

I have too many projects going and this will do the same thing my Vette will.

grendel

04-18-2015, 06:32 PM

I've sort of been flat on this project, since I got it back.

Here's why:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=49925

Love the pics in that thread?

Now that it's behind me, I've started tear down so I can fix what's needed and move forward. So much for this being ready to race this year.

Here's where we are now:

Build-It-Break-it

04-18-2015, 06:43 PM

Wow, sorry you got scammed . I tried to warn people. Hopefully you'll be able to salvage your build Somehow.

grendel

04-19-2015, 04:53 AM

While I cut off the right quarter, wheel housing (including the DSE piece), repair the damage to the body from removing the filler panel between the rear window and trunk lid - I am sure there's more hiding.

Moving on.

We've kept on the engine build.

We did have to fabricate a front mounted crank sensor. The MagnumXL crank did not have provisions for a reluctor wheel... I bought it cheap. It also kicked off this entire destroked LS thought process.

Transmission's also ready to go. Also had all the exhaust ceramic coated.

Don't worry, will polish the fabricated valve covers :)

dhutton

04-19-2015, 06:25 AM

Looks like you have some work ahead of you. What are your plans to resolve the significant front and rear suspension issues? It almost looks like a scrap it and start over again scenario.

Don

grendel

04-19-2015, 06:41 AM

Looks like you have some work ahead of you. What are your plans to resolve the significant front and rear suspension issues? It almost looks like a scrap it and start over again scenario.

Don

I am talking with Ride Tech (awesome guys) about the front coils/shocks. They have a solution to avoid contact.

The right rear quarters will be cut apart and put together right. Heck, I'll even brace it so the roof doesn't drop while the quarter's out. Novel concept. New quarter, wheel tub and DSE mini tub. They will be welded in place with the back window, trunk filler panel and trunk lid in place.

I talked with DSE (more awesome guys) about their rear links and bought the stuff to bring it back to their specs, which is 3" still narrower than factory. I can use their sway bar, which won't contact the coils. Scott cut their links, after talking with DSE, which DSE did not advise.

The upper rear coil over mounts will move to the inside of the frame, with more help from Ride Tech (Did I mention that Darren's awesome?) using the right shock ends.

I will tie the rear most IRS mount into the Tiger Cage. The rear IRS mount is currently a piece of tube welded through sheet metal.

We'll connect the round tube sub-frame connectors to IRS' front most mount (it's not all the way there).

I am hoping I can heat the bay bar and roll it to fit flush on the frame, after I cut off the flange and weld on a new one.

As for Scott keeping my money for my engine/trans/sub frame he sold, that's between him, God and the law.

So, all in all, not a complete re-start, but probably 100 hours of work and more parts.

Che70velle

04-19-2015, 11:52 AM

grendel

04-19-2015, 01:41 PM

Man I wondered when you started this thread if you'd read the feedback left over there about Scott Mock. He is building quite a fan club over at the feedback section. Then I saw your post recently, which you were thinking about selling the project off, and it made me wonder if something had went south between you two. Keep your head up. Surround yourself with quality people, and this car will be finished before you know it.

I read it. This was supposed to be different. He's quoted in this thread saying he would build this as if it were his own... anyhow, that's it, it's over, we're over the river and through the woods.

My head's up, I am moving on. My kids still love the project, so we're motoring ahead. There's nothing I can't fix.

omiotek

04-19-2015, 03:41 PM

sorry to hear about your troubles. glad i crossed his parts off my list a long time ago.

unfortunately this happens all to often in the industry

Build-It-Break-it

04-19-2015, 05:04 PM

We should let this sore subject die in the feedback section and let JJ move forward.

Hey JJ were you taking the car now to get the work done?

grendel

04-19-2015, 05:13 PM

We should let this sore subject die in the feedback section and let JJ move forward.

Hey JJ were you taking the car now to get the work done?

Thanks. I'd prefer to let it all die. The cards will fall where they will, with the law.

We're doing it. I own a shop that does auto restoration. Granted, we do mostly classic Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini but make an exception now and then. My father started it in 1968. We have cars with every major collector out there.

The pic on the lift is at my shop, with Roger my shop foremen.

You can see a lot of my shop in my shop truck thread. We have interior (clean) bays, 4 down draft paint booths with heat, etc.

I took it to two other shops for the estimates, just to document everything.

I've finally learned, there are few people that will do it right. I am one and I have a few of those folks in my employ. They just don't do Camaros that handle, accelerate or brake. :Tomcat: Looks like I have to dip my fingers into that market, or at least my car.