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James OLC 06-27-2009 11:48 AM

After the Silver State Classic event our next stop was the Goodguys Rod & Custom event in Pleasanton, CA. This was going to be our first autocross since adding the rear sway bar, increasing the spring rate on all four corners and tweaking the brake bias so we were cautiously optimistic that we were heading in the right direction.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...x/P1010447.jpg
photo by g_vanlaar

When the dust cleared on Sunday we (both the car and the driver) were both showing improvement – running a low 37 second lap which put us less than a second behind Mary’s winning time in her ’73. We also identified a couple of more places where we can get more out of the car… we’re still pushing in the corners and will increase the rear bar rate to get the car to (hopefully) respond a bit better. We’ve also got too much front brake which is in turn putting too much weight on the front and making the push worse… we’re going to swap master cylinders to try go increase the rear bias. It’s also time to do something about the tuning in the car… Painless has helped us out with a closed loop tune for the MEFI4B and we need to get the idle sorted out before we all lose our minds… it’s been nearly a year… it’s time.

We have also (we think) made some headway with our other ECU related issues and will put our theory to the test next week. If we’re right we should make some power and might have solved our engine cutout problem – we’ll see in a few days.

Next weekend were heading for the American Autocross Series event in Marina, California. David and I will be putting the car through it’s paces on an autocross course that should give us some running room and really let us see how close we are getting on our setup.

James OLC 07-14-2009 10:44 PM

Well I have been negligent in updating our California adventures since getting back from Marina last week (it sucks when the real world gets in the way) but it was such as blast that I have to take a few minutes to look back on the weekend. It was one of those “working” race weekends that can be both frustrating and rewarding at the same time – fortunately this one ended up being both. With the help of David and Mary we have made great strides in getting the OneLapCamaro closer to being right but going into the weekend we were still fighting an understeer ‘problem’ and were chasing our 60 mph vibration. We also wanted to play with the fuel injection – maybe convert the calibration over to closed loop – and take care of some charging issues that could have been the source of our 149 mph “issue”. We were also trying to play with the brake bias to get a better balance and take some weight off the front end under braking.

Wednesday and most of Thursday was spent switching the rear brake and clutch master cylinders. The clutch was a ¾” bore while the brakes (both front and rear) were 7/8” bore; by switching the two we hoped to get more rear brake bias and maybe help the TOB a bit. After bleeding the brakes and slave we road tested the car on a cruise through Carmel Valley to a local cruise night at the Baja Cantina which is a really cool spot that was really hopping – especially with the GP in town for the weekend. Best part was a nice 80 mile cruise on a beautiful Thursday evening.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...l%20Valley.JPG

Friday was spent trying to isolate some charging issues and some minor rewiring. I tried a couple of different calibrations but couldn’t get the car to idle without hunting in closed loop so we stuck with the original setup – hoping to get some time with a knowledgeable tuner some time in the near future.

Saturday morning it was up bright and early and off to the Marina Airport to run with the American Autocross Series. Mary led the way on a typical overcast morning on the peninsula…

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...20to%20AAS.JPG

I had known going into the weekend that we were up against some still competition – running in the C Prepared class. As one of only two cars in the class on street tires it was immediately apparent that we were up against some stiff competition. The class was dominated by early Camaros and Mustangs which were built to do not much more than dominate autocrosses. Amongst our competition was TAZ – the awesome ’67 Camaro featured by Steve in Camaro Performers a couple of months ago – who was typical of the cars in the class – 2,100ish lbs, huge fender flares to accommodate 13” slicks front and rear, and a gnarly sounding small block. VERY COOL!

The great thing for us was that our goal was to sort the suspension out first and have fun second. The great thing about the American Autocross Series is that you can get a ton of runs in and can have multiple drivers. On Saturday David and I shared the driving duties – making 5 runs each in the morning and afternoon. At one point we were hot lapping the Camaro so quickly that we weren’t even shutting the car down between runs – one of us would hop out, we would check tire pressure and the other would hop in to get buckled up to make a run.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...na/AAS%201.JPG

In the morning, we started with no major changes besides the brakes which proved to be a great improvement. The pedal was still really stiff but we were finally able to get a very good balance between the front and the rear and it really helped to eliminate most of our issues while braking before coming into the corners. The car was still understeering badly with the front tires chattering badly in the sharper turns. At lunch we decided it was time to play with the rear sway bar (which David had modified to be adjustable) and upped the rear rate.

Heading out in the afternoon the difference was immediately evident – a bunch of understeer was gone but now the rear end was ‘a touch on the free side’. With the front end behaving better I eventually got myself into trouble, looping the car in what was looking like a great run (ok – the first couple of turns were going great – but it was there). The back end was just so free that the least amount of throttle would get you really out of shape. Making matters worse, as the day warmed up (and due to the fact that we were keeping the car running almost all the time) the engine temps were rising, hovering around 200 degrees. Not enough to be worried about, but enough to cause some detonation when combined with the ‘high octane’ California premium unleaded. With the GP going on that day, Laguna was not an option for getting some race gas. Fortunately MuscleCarJohn came to the rescue with 5 gallons of 110 octane low lead (thanks again John!) and we were able to blend and solve that problem.

Saturday night was frustrating as we discussed what we needed to do to get the car sorted. I was frustrated at my driving – which I thought was getting better but the spin had killed most of my confidence – and we were all frustrated at the car. We went to bed with no obvious solution.

James OLC 07-14-2009 10:48 PM

Sunday morning was another early start. Just as we were getting ready to hit the road and head to the airport, David suggests changing the mounting point for the Watts Link – raising it up one position. His thought was that the roll center for the first gen was fairly high on the front (seemingly much higher than Mary’s second gen) and that maybe by raising the roll center in the back the car would be better balanced. The change took about 10 minutes and then we were off.

Sunday we were running the course in the opposite direction as we had on Saturday and I was first up. I got down the first stretch of zig zags and came into the first long 180 degree sweeper – our nemesis the day before - and as I accelerated out I think I probably shouted a little Woo Hoo as the car rotated like never before and practically shot out of the turn. There was still a little bit of understeer but nothing like the day before and best of all, the rear end was no longer loose. One bolt – 10 minutes – and it was like being in another car.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...na/AAS%202.JPG

Once again we were hot lapping the car but this time every run was better and better for everyone. I admit that I looped the car again, this time in the final 180 degree sweeper, but it was my own fault – I had gone through the slalom at nearly 60 mph and had neglected to get the car adequately whoa’d up in the turn and when it got out of shape I tried to power through it and lost the battle.

In the afternoon Mary and I were taking turns in the car and, as before, were getting faster as the day went on. On one of the last runs of the day Mary went around the course, finished what was her best run of the day, and immediately pulled back up to the staring line. She was nodding her head and shaking her fist and when the flag dropped she was off on an even better pass. When she got back she got into the staging lane so we could make our last switch of the day… “I got this thing figured out!” she exclaimed, “there’s a 41 in it – go get it.” Well, I’m obviously no Mary and I didn’t get the 41 but I did get a rewarding 42 and change for my best of the day.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...AAS%20Mary.JPG

Then the dust settled on Sunday it was a completely different story than the day before. The car was working well and we had learned a ton. We made great improvements and ultimately were mid pack in C Prepared – turning faster times than some of the cars that had seemed so ominous the day before. All told we made 40 passes with the car and opened the hood twice – both time more out of a sense of duty than a real need. Mechanically the car performed flawlessly and the handling and setup was coming our way. There’s more there and we’re already chasing it…

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...AAS%20Last.JPG

As always, thank you so much to Dave and Mary. Thanks to John for the gas - it was great to meet you and see your garage! True – it was a pleasure to finally meet you, hopefully we can get together again next time I come down.

That’s all for now – the adventure will continue next month (I hope) when the AAS returns to Marina…

James OLC 07-14-2009 10:57 PM

Some YouTube Videos…

Saturday Roof Mount


Saturday SplitterVision


Sunday Mounted on the Side


Sunday SplitterVision

GregWeld 07-15-2009 07:34 AM

Am I just missing something - or are the tires "chattering" in left turns and only squealing in right hand turns...

I can't tell if it's the camera angle - being able to see the rim rather than just the back of the tire... AND I certainly don't know if this means anything or not -- just an observation rather than a "helpful hint".

Car is just killer!! Good story too! I felt I was there with you.

buickfunnycar.com 07-15-2009 08:44 AM

Great writeup James,car was working much better on Sunday.
Dave's still making changes chasing that elusive extra 10th...heading in the right direction now.

Glad I was able to help you out with the fuel...;)

awr68 07-15-2009 09:22 AM

That was as fun read, James! Thanks for the pics, vid, and writeup!! Good to hear the car is getting sorted out and that you are having fun with it!

Question:
If you get the car dialed in for auto-x, how will that affect the big track...can a car be setup to do both well?

Bow Tie 67 07-15-2009 11:19 AM

Good job to all, I love the last pic and its placement in your writeup. Like riding off into the sunset. :yes:

monza 07-15-2009 11:42 AM

Super cool! Love the Videos:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

James OLC 07-15-2009 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 223295)
Am I just missing something - or are the tires "chattering" in left turns and only squealing in right hand turns...

I can't tell if it's the camera angle - being able to see the rim rather than just the back of the tire... AND I certainly don't know if this means anything or not -- just an observation rather than a "helpful hint".

Car is just killer!! Good story too! I felt I was there with you.

Thanks Greg. I don't know if it matters or not - or if it's real or not - but it's an interesting observation. Something more to think about - thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclecarjohn (Post 223303)
Great writeup James,car was working much better on Sunday.
Dave's still making changes chasing that elusive extra 10th...heading in the right direction now.

Glad I was able to help you out with the fuel...;)

John - thanks again so much - saved by bacon! Great meeting you and your wife. Next time bring her out (and one of your cars - no excuse for not having enough time to get it ready) and she can come for a lap in the OLC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by awr68 (Post 223309)
That was as fun read, James! Thanks for the pics, vid, and writeup!! Good to hear the car is getting sorted out and that you are having fun with it!

Question:
If you get the car dialed in for auto-x, how will that affect the big track...can a car be setup to do both well?

We have an ok setup for the bick track (at least with respect to the rear bar) so hopefully we'll be able to adjust between setups depending on venue. Next up will be another autocross at Marina if they have it - then off to either Buttonwillow or Thinderhill so that should be a good test.


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