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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 408403)

Just to be clear, I don't have a G Link, I have a G Bar. They are NOT the same thing even though they seem to get thrown in the same bowl. A G Bar is a Ridetech Air Bar with Alston Varishocks. A G Link is an all Alston product.

Alston stuff is a couple rungs down the ladder and that's a FACT. I don't like the design and it's not engineered for the desired ride height of most pro touring cars. A triangulated 4 link is not ideal for our thin rails. Then Alston went and designed his G Link with no front crossmember so it doesn't tie in the rails nearly as well as a G Bar. The DSE upper shock mount not only allows for a lower ride height, but it reinforces the structure of the car and utilizes a panhard bar. I also don't see Alston out proving their products in our venue. For MOST guys, it's a great set up. It's just not on the same level.

Hey Vegas guess who makes both the G-Bar and G-Link! BTW, you are correct the G-Bar and G-Link are not the same. The G-Bar is the cheaper version of the Chassisworks suspension.
http://cachassisworks.com/c-340-cama...gm-f-body.aspx

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Originally Posted by TheJDMan (Post 408896)

Dude he has the original G bar and NO they are not the same. The original ones were the Airbar. The do not sell the original ones anymore.

Now I see why it's so confusing. I didn't know Alston still marketed a G Bar.

For the last time. :lol: The original G Bar was an Air Bar from Ridtech with Varishocks marketed by Chris Alston as his own.

I have a G link with a 9" if it won't go low enough I'm going DSE.

Rodgers 67 from
Ironworks has the G link with fab 9 have you talked to him about ride height issues ?

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Originally Posted by Swain (Post 408914)

I have a G link with a 9" if it won't go low enough I'm going DSE.

Rodgers 67 from
Ironworks has the G link with fab 9 have you talked to him about ride height issues ?

Put the bend in the shock cross bar and it will go lower.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 408403)

Alston stuff is a couple rungs down the ladder and that's a FACT. I don't like the design and it's not engineered for the desired ride height of most pro touring cars. A triangulated 4 link is not ideal for our thin rails. Then Alston went and designed his G Link with no front crossmember so it doesn't tie in the rails nearly as well as a G Bar. The DSE upper shock mount not only allows for a lower ride height, but it reinforces the structure of the car and utilizes a panhard bar. I also don't see Alston out proving their products in our venue. For MOST guys, it's a great set up. It's just not on the same level.

Todd
I appreciate your opinion, but I don't think you are being fair about the comparison. I agree that any frame cracking is a serious issue, but have you noticed that DSE has also changed their panhard attachments to the frame?

I am not going to link pictures from their site, but look at the older version in the the Bolin68 album, then look at a later version with a boxed shock crossmember and vertical braces in the Kyle Busch album. They are very different. I also found a mention of DSE reinforcing frames on another forum. Because everyone is dealing with similar forces transmitted into thin framerails, my guess is that they also found cracking issues. As a point of reference, I had cracks develop in the front subframe of my 67 when I was frequently autocrossing it twenty five years ago. Racing breaks stuff. Given the power levels and tires available, anyone racing any suspension should be regularly checking all suspension attachments and links.

As to shocks, you can bet that DSE isn't running their standard package at shows across the country. Their upgraded double adjustables are a plus $1300 charge, plus another $150 to get poly link bushings that they recommend for competition.

The two suspensions were designed with different criteria, and have very similar performance when equipped comparably. I still think if you don't want to cut a huge chunk out of your floor for the crossmember, and still need to carry rear seat passengers ( ever sat on those upper link boxes?:D ), the g-link is the pick.

Make your choices and take your pick, but in the end, neither is junk, nor are either the absolute best way to attach a solid axle for racing.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 408910)

yep....and ride tech still offer's the air bar

http://www.ridetech.com/store/1967-1...rd-airbar.html

I have the original G-Bar in my car and FWIW I am happy with it. I have a bunch of seasons out it and one auto cross / track day session it feels solid. I am looking to upgrade the bushings to a better Heim ends and move towards the ride tech shock.

I've got my G Bar working well and I'm certainly not unhappy with the real world performance. I'm simply saying that the Quadralink is a better product from start to finish.

Barazza, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. You have a G Link in your car and you're happy with it. That's all that matters.

They all serve their purpose.

I think the quadra link looks to be a better design.....if I was to do it again i'd probably go with the torque arm from JRS or Speed Tech.

Vegas got me curious so I was comparing pictures of the Alston G-Link and Ridetech 4-Link frame bracket designs and I see only one major difference on the mount bracket. The G-link is bolted to the floor in front with no cross member where as the Ridetech 4-Link has a crossbar in front but no bolts.

I was then looking at my G-Link installation on "Dust Off" and realized that it would be very easy to increase the front bolt size to 1/2" then fabricate a cross bar that would bolt to those two front bolts thus tying the front mounts together side to side. There is plenty of room to fit a simple 1" dia crossbar up against the body and bolt it in place. This would give me the same crossmember as the Ridetech mount with the added strength of the two front bolts which Ridetech does not have. Now that I have my plan of attack I can order some material and start to fabricate the cross brace.