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lets keep going!

it has been a pretty good info thread, some complaining now and then but, I have tried to gather as much info as I can get, while still performing at work, this morning I grabbed spindles, tape measures, tools and set out to get some measurements that many said they wanted on the frame and mounting surfaces

so spindles first......stock vs. RideTech Drop, as you can see other than the RideTech spindle being taller the build dimensions are the same...
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...pseb617c44.jpg

the snouts line up
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...psfa63d430.jpg

the bearing surfaces line up
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps4be55e9d.jpg

the the ball joint mounting location is the same
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps4b1a3669.jpg

so the wheel is not moved out or in from stock spindle locations
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...psa7f2ef9f.jpg

next is frame measurements.....hold on

Tru-Turn Basic measurements

now to the frame....

first I removed the shock, and lifted the arms to ride height
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...psc59ebd6c.jpg

bolted angle stock to the hub with lug nuts
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...psc530ded0.jpg

bolted flat stock between the arm and frame
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...psa917ba81.jpg

simple measurement between the two(2)
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps81ab7b55.jpg

here it is from frame tower to rim mounting surface 15 1/8 inches
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...psb97dba1b.jpg

I will do the other side without the hub and give a base dimension on the spindle face!

I have been working with Bret this morning to try to solve the oil pan clearance. As soon as the parts show up I will post my findings.

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Originally Posted by Stovebolter (Post 537165)

Bret or Josh,

Not intending to high jack a thread but I feel I'm covering a couple bases at once for others that have asked some of the same questions in other threads in the distant past .

First. Complements to you and your crew for this system. I am very happy with the engineering on this system. I went with the True Turn system and the Triple adj air bag coil overs. I have only installed the front so far and have done a couple test runs and I'm happy to report no rubbing after my mods to the inner fender. That is with 9.5s and 5.75 bs on a 69 Camaro with a big block.

Second. What is the suggested eye to eye for the front ( and rear) coil overs at ride height. I'm need that to mock up the Moser floater. I'm doing my own torque arm set up. I'm roughly 24" from floor to body line on front fender now.....with a big block at this time.

Third. On the 48 Hour Camaro, did you use Holleys newest engine mount system which places the motor over an inch from firewall? I can't get the Holley/Hooker guys to confirm anyone has used their newest system with the Ridetech True Turn system. Trying to find what will work.

Thanks,
David

We used the Holley cast LS oil pan, Hooker LS headers and Hooker engine mounts in the "stock" location on the 48 Hour car and the Goodguys Camaro.

On the shock ride heights...if you go to the website and look at [whatever product you want] we have a PDF of the instructions listed there. http://www.ridetech.com/store/1967-1...m-level-2.html

Inside the instructions is a bill of materials that lists the shock stroke that is included with the system. The ride height has a bit of adjustment available, but is generally about 50-60% of the extended height. In the case of the early Camaro, the 3.6 front shock will have a ride height of approx. 11.5" and the rear 5" stroke shock will have a ride height of approx. 14.5".

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Originally Posted by cwylie (Post 537434)

I have been working with Bret this morning to try to solve the oil pan clearance. As soon as the parts show up I will post my findings.

Yep...been talking with Chris...his frustrations are the same ones all of us hotrodders go through during a build. If it was easy it wouldn't be worth it!

I don't have any truly new information here that has not been gone over by everyone else. Rod is doing a GREAT job of translating dimensions and measurements into english. I think the main point is that these old cars can be obstinate. The most perfectly designed and built component will fit on 99 out of 100 cars. We've all owned #100 at one time or another. Not trying to minimize his frustrations...just comiserating.

quick and dirty Tru turn video

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Originally Posted by glr0212 (Post 533932)

here is another picture of my tire clearance from below with the wheels straight -

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...202_154229.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...202_154148.jpg

5/16 button head screws will do a world of wonder for tire clearance and wear on your Camaro. Taken from my tricks I did to my 1st Gen Z/28 back in the 70s when 245/60-15 Goodyear Wingfoots were the tire to have:thumbsup:

Maybe a little off topic but....can Ride Tech coil overs be removed from the Strong Arms without taking the a-arms apart? I need to get some measurements with wheel travel figured in so I can get some wheels ordered.

I think it's at least 2 out of 100 cars Bret! Don’t forget about me.

I appreciate all of the effort you guys are putting in on showing us the measurements. I'm dying to make some ride height adjustments and checking my measurements vs what you have.

but if we are being honest - the numbers, at least on this thread are 2 out of 3 or 2 out 4 at best on 69 Camaros that don’t work with this setup. Don’t you guys have more 69’s out there running this system? Can you reach out to them and get some photos and feedback on how they made it work?

I still have heartburn on turning the wheel and having the tire hit the fender. I get the negative camber gain during turn in, but the tire still has a travel arc and I don't see how it doesn't hit the fender. There is not enough room on a 69.

Rod keeps giving me a picture of his 68 as proof but they have different a fender profile. The 67/68 is much more rounded which gives a not insignificant amount of additional clearance to the tire.

This picture sums it up. If you can show me your 69 pulling into a raised drive area at 5-10 mph with the wheels near lock without cringe inducing fender rub, I will shut my mouth and get back to work

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ps27674322.jpg

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Originally Posted by jlwdvm (Post 537677)

no you have to break them apart they are just to tight a fit in the Camaro frame pocket to remove