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dqhemi 08-14-2006 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nitrorocket
Why would a Gear vendors not work??

Also, I do run a Dennys aluminum MMC shaft that is rated for this. I believe he said critical speed is 8100 with the lenght I am at and almost 9000 or so with a shorter length if I go Gearvendors instead of a 4l80. My concern with a 4l80 is the 4th gear being able to handle full power after I make the shift into 4th. I can limit power going into 4th, but then I want to be able to go back to full power.

Comp TA ZR tires were rated to 187+ I thought??

I will fabbing up a 6 point roll bar when I get time, Boy I sure wish this motor did'nt make so much power, life would be so much easier! I do have to say though, you would never guess you were doing 150 in the car, it gets theres SO fast and smooth and then WHAM your bouncing of the rev limiter! I really kind of miss the excitment of going through the gears at a normal rate that allows you to anticipate going faster. Now it is just floor it and, bam, your there, it takes a little fun out of it, you know.

Starting to get some awesome input!!

I'd get a trans that is rated for the power and do it right. An external overdrive unit running at these speeds is not something you want to think about - one more thing that can become an issue. Not sure how much additional HP you will be eating up w/ that unit and heat is an issue. So if you need to run a trans cooler, you would now need to run two for both units and figure how to package them while minimizing drag.

ZR, I'm assuming is 'Z' rated. Only 'Y' is 186 and this only means they tested to 186, not 200 MPH. Plain old 'Z' is only rated to 146.

You mention roll-bar, not sure if just a typo, but you need a cage for this, not a bar.

John Buscema
XV Motorsports
www.xvmotorsports.com

Speedster 08-14-2006 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrorocket
I will fabbing up a 6 point roll bar when I get time, Boy I sure wish this motor did'nt make so much power, life would be so much easier! I do have to say though, you would never guess you were doing 150 in the car, it gets theres SO fast and smooth and then WHAM your bouncing of the rev limiter! I really kind of miss the excitment of going through the gears at a normal rate that allows you to anticipate going faster. Now it is just floor it and, bam, your there, it takes a little fun out of it, you know.

And for those of you who think I am a moron, Shut up! How many bikes run roll cages??? You are not dangerous if you don't have a cage and go 150 mph, would it be safer in case of an incident... Yes, of course! I am not any more dangerous going 150 mph in my car then every bike in the world, I would say I am safer in my car as it sits then on a bike. So if every bike rider crazy for going 150 mph with no cage?? All they have is a helmet, jacket, and boots!

Nitro -
With all of the fabricating you did on your car and your intelligent posts and helpful replies, you earned the respect of many members. I think your thread here has pretty much ruined that. If you want to kill yourself, fine. You ask for advice, yet have the answers, fine. You tell us "I sure wish this motor didn't make so much power". So a little bragging rights - That's cool, your chassis dyno run proves it.

But Physics 101 - a two ton car going 150+ in your scenario is considered a leathal WEAPON in the eyes of the law. A car has an order of magnitude more force than a bike. Members of this board, myself included, are genuinely concerned that you don't go hurt yourself. Since you choose to ignore it - fine, just don't take anyone else with you. The consequences would be way beyond your control.

Good Luck.

rocketrod 08-14-2006 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedster
Nitro -
With all of the fabricating you did on your car and your intelligent posts and helpful replies, you earned the respect of many members. I think your thread here has pretty much ruined that. If you want to kill yourself, fine. You ask for advice, yet have the answers, fine. You tell us "I sure wish this motor didn't make so much power". So a little bragging rights - That's cool, your chassis dyno run proves it.

But Physics 101 - a two ton car going 150+ in your scenario is considered a leathal WEAPON in the eyes of the law. A car has an order of magnitude more force than a bike. Members of this board, myself included, are genuinely concerned that you don't go hurt yourself. Since you choose to ignore it - fine, just don't take anyone else with you. The consequences would be way beyond your control.

Good Luck.

Well said, but he just isn't listening. He just keeps typing I've got a 1000HP at the crank......

Damn True 08-14-2006 03:00 PM

Imagine you are going 200mph. Now look at your wristwatch and count off 18 seconds.

You just covered a mile.

JUSTANOVA 08-14-2006 03:08 PM

are there any books that cover aerodynamics and their practical use on a racecar....something that starts with the basics of spoiler/airdam design?

because I too am looking to build a car capable of running these speeds but I am starting with a shell and building the car for this purpose.

MarkM66 08-14-2006 03:12 PM

Here's a nice little read on the aerodynamics of a 1st gen Camaro.

http://www.yearone.com/enthusiast/re...8-21camaro.pdf

Notice how the front produces LIFT, and that's at relatively low speeds with a front spoiler. I can only imagine a brick like a '71 Chevelle would be even worse, frontal area is definitally worse. Gotta get that thing down to the ground with a rake, block of the grill, etc. if you'll ever have chance of keeping that thing on the ground at 200.

dqhemi 08-14-2006 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JUSTANOVA
are there any books that cover aerodynamics and their practical use on a racecar....something that starts with the basics of spoiler/airdam design?

because I too am looking to build a car capable of running these speeds but I am starting with a shell and building the car for this purpose.

There are a few. Some are more cusrory.

Best book is by Joseph Katz. Has good rules of thumb and lots of technical information.

You can also look for SAE papers....

John Buscema
XV Motorsports
www.xvmotorsports.com

Damn True 08-14-2006 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkM66
Here's a nice little read on the aerodynamics of a 1st gen Camaro.

http://www.yearone.com/enthusiast/re...8-21camaro.pdf

Notice how the front produces LIFT, and that's at relatively low speeds with a front spoiler. I can only imagine a brick like a '71 Chevelle would be even worse, frontal area is definitally worse. Gotta get that thing down to the ground with a rake, block of the grill, etc. if you'll ever have chance of keeping that thing on the ground at 200.

Yup. Even with the air dam and spoiler, there is over 200lbs of LIFT at only 115mph. Recalling that the increase in drag, and aerodynamic lift increases with the square of speed the result @ 200mph is......yikes.

Nitro,
I am being totally serious here. I want to know what makes you think that the above and these [http://www.mulsannescorner.com/techarticle1.htm] aerodynamic principles wont apply in your application.

Jr 08-14-2006 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by camcojb

The last Road and Track standing mile had several heavy hitters including a champ car, 1000+ HP Viper, twin turbo S7 Saleen, a couple other race cars and exotics (modded), etc. There was not a single car in the bunch hitting 200 mph in 3/4 mile like you think yours will do. There were three that could hit 200 in a mile, and 11 that were 154-185 mph. The three were the TT Viper at 210 mph, the TT Saleen S7 at 205 mph, and the Lola champ car at 203 mph. You have the HP of the Viper, or something close although he'll have you on torque, a few hundred pounds lighter, and much more aerodynamic. The Saleen and Champ car are lighter still.



Jody

This is in the September 2005 Road and Track

Damn True 08-14-2006 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJW32
This is in the September 2005 Road and Track

Here it is:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=2572

Interesting stuff.


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