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If you disagree with anything the govt does, you are too crazy to own a gun and put on a no buy list.
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In Congress -- this will divide into a Republican vs Democrat partisan issue...
I'm all for a lot of the stuff the executive order lays out -- but most of it is just "busy work"... because all the checks in the world don't keep someone from doing something bad - let alone all the stolen stuff people have. And we all know MONEY will buy anything anytime regardless of the crime. Most of this is nothing more than the tree huggers foisting their socialist version of the world on those that don't agree with them. We should all live in a commune - raise each others babies and just love everybody all the time. :woot: |
Interesting that the news is just releasing the first details of two shootings that took place yesterday vs. before Obama took stage and did his little acting skit with the children.
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If obama wants all gun owners to have background checks does that mean ftf private sales will be illegal? I would assume they must be done through a licensed dealer for a fee under his new plan?
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While I am not against anyone buying a gun from another (dealer or private sale) I am against being put on a list. Shouldn't it be a list of criminals and mentally ill people who are not allowed to own guns? |
These laws are using extreme cases and rare cases to enforce rules that do not apple to 90% of the gun murders out there. To have those 4 kids on stage,staged of course to make sure was pc was such a shame to see. I am not even a hardcore gun rights advocate,but i dont like what i am seeing,and i live in Canada. Im sure next time a thief breaks into a house to steal a gun he will have to ask the owner to run a record check first.
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ALL GUNS SALES SHOULD CONTAIN A BACKGROUND CK PERIOD even if you have to go to your local gun shop for back ground ck with private sales no law will ever stop all bad people from gun sales but that doesn't mean we do nothing. lets see if congress can pull just that off ??? |
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Yeah...kind of funny how the gun grabbers are using children to fuel the fire, yet when the Presidents kids are used as an example it's suddenly 'going to far'. :rolleyes: |
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Oakland CA has a crime problem. Their police force was cut almost in half. The Mayor gets rid of a decent Police chief and now they are looking at hiring a consultant to help deal with the problem they have with crime. Price tag for that is $245K. I just don't get it. |
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Many states have already pass their own laws making it illegal for any federal intrusion, and many states have similar bills in the works. So once again a president is trying use the executive to ignore the Constitution and asking Congress do the same. Today was a typical response that the govt must 'do something'. That something will result another bureaucratic growth of another perpetual waste program. If find it interesting how the media and politicians virtually ignore that fact that all the kid killers are on legal pharmaceuticals. That is the problem, and it will get worse because it isn't ignored, but 'encouraged' as 'mental health' treatment will be funded through the roof. Pretty much the opposite of what needed to be done is happening. Violent crime has dropped 49% and gun ownership has skyrocketed over the past 20 years. FBI statistics. Guns aren't the problem. Am I preaching to the choir here? :lol: |
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Lip service.... the government is broke - the do gooders don't want the mental institutions these people used to be kept in - we set them free and they're on "skid road" in every town in America.... but somehow these people aren't the ones killing kids in schools or malls or colleges.... They may be pesky nuisances but they're dying from cold weather - bad dumpster dives and booze - not from semi automatics. They need help but have nothing to do with gun violence |
Here's some common sense points from someone DC'ers probably classify as a mental case.
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I couldn't copy and paste here --- but you've got to check out what's up in WYOMING....
Hysterical! I may think about moving from Washington to Wyoming - I gotta like these people! http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/wyoming.asp |
Kind of ironic after what just went down........
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You wanna know what gets me? The Pres took care of this fast than deciding if we should send aid to Storm Sandy victims. I guess they had to see how much they could put aside for this crusade first.
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It wont let me copy and paste, but the last paragraph says something that the Constitution states that federal law is superior to state law. :lol: It's like the 10th Amendment doesn't exist to those liberals. |
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COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!(2011)
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript: "Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers. "The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart. "In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best. Your laws ignore our deepest needs, Your words are empty air. You've stripped away our heritage, You've outlawed simple prayer. Now gunshots fill our classrooms, And precious children die. You seek for answers everywhere, And ask the question "Why?" You regulate restrictive laws, Through legislative creed. And yet you fail to understand, That God is what we need! "Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts. "As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!" - Darrell Scott |
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http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010...use-smackdown/ The key is that the federal government was supreme only in its enumerated powers under the confines of the Constitution. That's all the supremacy clause says. It doesn't say the fed govt is a King to rule over us. It's important to remember the States created the Federal govt, not the other way around. We have States for a reason, and that which is not delegated specifically to the fed govt, bound by the Constitution, is reserved to the states and the people. 10th Amendment. The States did not create a 'King', the fought a war to escape from one. Original intent can not be ignored to those who try and interpret the Constitution. |
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Original intent was to have a document and basis of rights to keep our federal government in check NO MATTER WHAT THE CRISIS OF THE CURRENT TIME is. No matter how many shootings, school or otherwise happen, there is NO basis for gun control. |
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I think most are missing the point here although Joe and Potus asked congress to ban assault weapons and large clips as well as back ground checks for all sales his executive actions all deal with being able to inforce laws already on the books ( ATF ) SENATE CONFORMATION OF A DIRECTOR AND just make it more difficult for insane and felons to get gun's ???? what else could they do ?? not much. I think congress will do the background ck deal and that will be enough. without taking anyones rights that should have those rights ???? and as far as who has juristiction ???? its federal no question. nice try though:cheers:
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You can control guns without banning anything but pro gun rights people refuse to acknowledge that since they feel like if they give an inch someone would take a mile. If the NRA would just accept background searches for all sales, chances are you could avoid a ban on anything but they won't and so they may end up with both. |
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The mentally have guns, thanks to the felons and careless family and friends. A good friend of mine Chris Kilcullen (motorcycle cop) was shot and killed not to long ago by an older female mental case during a traffic stop. Freak shot one round, in the arm pit above his body amour that hit him in the heart. 5 shot snub-nose revolver with .38 wadcutter ammunition. Not high cap, not semi-auto, not full auto, not the feared "cop killer" bullets. Target practice ammunition. Not sure on the RPG's but the local pot growers in Lance County and adjacent county's are protecting their crops with full auto weapons. They don't abide by the current laws yet you believe new and improved ones will change that? My 14 year old son is has mental issues and I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about our kitchen knives and baseball bats than firearms. If someone breaks into your place while you're sleeping are your weapons properly secured? |
The entire argument about MORE LAWS are needed is so senseless...
What more law do you need than -- It's against the law to murder people. Like a guy that is a murderer cares about gun laws? Or any other law for that matter. |
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Singapore's system is relatively effective from my limited research. |
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I believe the only way to fix the problem is dealing with the root cause. Before they lead to criminal life style. As far as the laws, they are there. They do not work or apply to criminals. They apply to purchasers. Car thieves don't go to dealerships or used car lots for cars. They steal cars. |
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That's a very interesting and informative slide show. Thanks for posting it.
Of course -- no matter the actual FACTS.... the tree hugging anti gun folks will just argue that ALL GUNS should be taken away from everyone "since there is no need for anyone to have one". Ultimately we know that's the real goal of a large swath of America. |
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Hmm... Food for thought:
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