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Flash68 12-30-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmo mentis (Post 587458)
I recommend this 'exchange' gets included in the BMF build book.


:hello:

Certainly you mean the How Not To Build Book..... it's part of the Ron Myers Hot Sauce book series. :twak:

:cheers:

fleetus macmullitz 12-30-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 586121)

1. If you don't have something nice to say, well then.... you all know the rest

:D

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 587498)
Certainly you mean the How Not To Build Book..... it's part of the Ron Myers Hot Sauce book series. :twak:

:cheers:

I'm doing the opposite of my natural instinct...so #1 instead.

:lol:

Vegas69 12-30-2014 08:03 PM

Just as much can be learned from watching someone do it the wrong way. Over and over and over...:D

I'm almost starting to feel guilty but you are such an easy target. Hope you and the family are well...

Flash68 01-01-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 587601)
Just as much can be learned from watching someone do it the wrong way. Over and over and over...:D

I'm almost starting to feel guilty but you are such an easy target. Hope you and the family are well...

Yep. Learning from the mistakes of others and making my own mistakes for others to avoid. That about sums it up.

Don't feel guilty... my son will walk and talk, and my car will pass Gaetano in 2015. That's pretty exciting right there. :D

Happy New Year.

fleetus macmullitz 01-01-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 587825)
Don't feel guilty... my son will walk and talk, and my car will pass Gaetano in 2015. That's pretty exciting right there. :D

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Yeah, publicly put pressure on the 'yute...

:shakehead:


lol

intocarss 01-01-2015 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 587825)
Don't feel guilty... my son will walk and talk, and my car will pass Gaetano in 2015. That's pretty exciting right there. :D

Happy New Year.

^^^FACT^^^

Track Junky 01-03-2015 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 587825)
Yep. Learning from the mistakes of others and making my own mistakes for others to avoid. That about sums it up.

Don't feel guilty... my son will walk and talk, and my car will pass Gaetano triple in build costs in 2015. That's pretty exciting right there. :D

Happy New Year.

Fixed that for you Dave. :mock:

Don't forget to buy a transponder. :poke:

Flash68 01-04-2015 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 588140)
Fixed that for you Dave. :mock:

Don't forget to buy a transponder. :poke:

Yeah I'll be lucky to be about triple.... :lol: But I may be okay since you started working with Sutton recently.... just ask Weld. :computer:

Speaking of Weld and parade laps.... sans transponder..... :popcorn2:

I'm driving up to Cortex this week to check out the progress.

glassman 01-05-2015 08:52 AM

Dave, whats the old sayin on here? "pics or it didn't happen?"...

GregWeld 01-05-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 588297)
Dave, whats the old sayin on here? "pics or it didn't happen?"...




As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

carbuff 01-05-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 588319)
As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

:ohsnap:

That's some funny snidzit right there...

intocarss 01-05-2015 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 588319)
As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

Now that's funny!

SSLance 01-05-2015 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 588319)
As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...



:lmao:

fleetus macmullitz 01-05-2015 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 588319)
As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

For some reason, this thread attracts GW internet huggs like nuttin else...


:popcorn2:

tones2SS 01-05-2015 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 588319)
As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

Good thing I didn't have a sip of water in my mouth right before reading this. lol
Too funny.

Spiffav8 01-05-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 588319)
As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

That very well might be the funniest thing ever posted on LG to date.

Well done!

Track Junky 01-05-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 588234)
Yeah I'll be lucky to be about triple.... :lol: But I may be okay since you started working with Sutton recently.... just ask Weld. :computer:

Speaking of Weld and parade laps.... sans transponder..... :popcorn2:

I'm driving up to Cortex this week to check out the progress.

Wish I had the extra cake to play with Ron but unfortunately I'm going to have to settle with "good enough for now".

Greg will never get a transponder. He's worked to hard at boosting his ego. :lol:

Vegas69 01-05-2015 10:29 PM

Don't listen to these chumps. You'll be driving your protouring car through the Wendy's drive through soon enough. You may need your pit crew to rebuild it after such a strenuous exercise, but that's the price you have to pay to out run Gaetano.

GregWeld 01-06-2015 07:51 AM

CorteX is all over this build! With that in mind, I looked at the CorteX Racing site today hoping to find shop pics of a Camaro lurking in the background... but given that CorteX is a Mustang specialist shop... they've no doubt taken great pains to hide the CamoFord build.

Re: Gaetano/Weld lap times....

We do have a great time bantering back and forth in these threads and on the text train. But I'll repeat what I've said many times. It's one thing to run spec cars and see who's the best driver... but it's a ridiculous exercise to try to compare different cars. I say this for those that haven't tracked or AutoX their own cars... and then if they do... try to begin this comparison. It's impossible. That's why they have CLASSES in racing - so the cars are basically built to rules and specs to keep them as even as possible. We don't do any of that. Ours are all very very different. If you want to know what your car is CAPABLE OF - get one of the best drivers on here (Pozzi/Hobaugh/Maier/Finch et al) to run it for you. Then that's the time to beat in YOUR car.

A buddy of mine just added a Lotus 2 11 to his garage. He's a Porsche instructor and has tracked for years. He is copying my set up - which is copied from the Lotus Cup Unlimited Champions set up. I guarantee he will be many SECONDS faster than me. He's a far more capable driver. That's MY time to work to in that car.

fleetus macmullitz 01-06-2015 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 588455)
Don't listen to these chumps. You'll be driving your protouring car through the Wendy's drive through soon enough. You may need your pit crew to rebuild it after such a strenuous exercise, but that's the price you have to pay to out run Gaetano.

Your posts remind me of the 12 pillars of Jim Rome.

lol



Flash68 01-08-2015 05:12 PM

Rear suspension UPGRADE well on its way. This is what will be the first GM version of the Cortex Torque Arm and Watts link. Oh, and it's made for a 108 inch wheelbase for those keeping track.

Old JRS torque arm = 30 lbs

New Cortex torque arm = 18 lbs

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps5867eece.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...psd6f719f6.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps6d0436fd.jpg


Once they finish up the watts link and fuel cell cage adjustments, they'll move on to LCA modification and header/exhaust fab.

Regular updates should be more the norm now as I will be going by there every 2-3 weeks. One of those perks of working with a local shop. :thumbsup:

GregWeld 01-08-2015 05:25 PM

What a year a difference makes..... HAHAHAHAHAHA


Betsy home - new baby son Garrett - a car that might be finished.... HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

intocarss 01-08-2015 05:34 PM


Flash68 01-08-2015 05:36 PM

Yeah, it's a great start to 2015. :thumbsup:

I LOL'd there Jer.. Nice. :D

tones2SS 01-08-2015 05:57 PM

Nice to see the updates Dave.

fleetus macmullitz 01-08-2015 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 588822)
Yeah, it's a great start to 2015. :thumbsup:


...Life brimming brightly with optimism and verve...

#namethatepisode

DBasher 01-08-2015 07:14 PM

Woohoo updates! :thumbsup:
Do you have any shots of the front mount and crossmember? And because I don't spend anytime under a camaro, are the other two links located in the stock spring location?

Filip is a hell of a nice guy and can drive ok too...won't be much longer now!

Vince@Meanstreets 01-08-2015 07:37 PM

I hope you are keeping that trick double D exhaust.

looks good.

Ron in SoCal 01-08-2015 07:54 PM

Dave what are they doing to the LCAs?

Great to see some progress on this Beast :cheers:

Track Junky 01-08-2015 07:55 PM

Right on Dave. Great to see this project moving forward again. I'm counting on you to wrap this up soon.
Then I envision you sucking me into multiple track days and my wife making me move into my car trailer. :lol:

Vince@Meanstreets 01-08-2015 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 588848)
Right on Dave. Great to see this project moving forward again. I'm counting on you to wrap this up soon.
Then I envision you sucking me into multiple track days and my wife making me move into my car trailer. :lol:

if your lucky....you get the dog house and the dog gets a nice warm bed.

better put Dish and a big screen back there.

carbuff 01-08-2015 08:50 PM

Dave,

Any thoughts on whether you will be able to adjust the pinion angle with this setup? With my original JRS setup, the 'old' style that used 2 rods to triangulate the housing to the TA, I could. When we added Jake's plate which bolts to the pinion support and then to the TA, you lose that ability unless you egg out some holes.

From what I can see in this picture, it looks all welded in that area, so is there any adjustment I can't see?

Looks like it's going to be a nice setup! :thumbsup:

Vegas69 01-08-2015 08:54 PM

I would assume they set up the angles and fabricate around it. It "shouldn't" need adjustment. Unless the vibration at freeway speeds on the Griswold family road trip bothers the little one. :D

Flash68 01-08-2015 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DBasher (Post 588843)
Woohoo updates! :thumbsup:
Do you have any shots of the front mount and crossmember? And because I don't spend anytime under a camaro, are the other two links located in the stock spring location?

Filip is a hell of a nice guy and can drive ok too...won't be much longer now!

I realized when I got home I didn't take pics of that. Dangit. The Cortex TA is 4-5 inches shorter than the JRS piece so the mount and Xmember were indeed modified from before.

I haven't really paid attn to the lower links in ages and I can't even tell you if they are in the stock spring location... you might know more about Camaros than me actually. :lol:

And yes Filip is a great guy and I really enjoy talking and working with him. And yes he can flat out drive. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 588846)
I hope you are keeping that trick double D exhaust.

looks good.

We hope and plan to. I brought up the remaining pieces today and the guys there really liked the setup.

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 588847)
Dave what are they doing to the LCAs?

Great to see some progress on this Beast :cheers:

We decided to "straighten" the rear arm of the LCA to gain 2-3 inches of header clearance since it doesn't change any of the structural integrity of anything. We agreed it was likely easier to cut that than to make the NASCAR headers go around that unnecessarily "bulky" area. Plus I told them I'd rather cut up a JRS part than a NASCAR part if it had to be one or the other. :sieg:

I should have pics of that next I go up.

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 588848)
Right on Dave. Great to see this project moving forward again. I'm counting on you to wrap this up soon.
Then I envision you sucking me into multiple track days and my wife making me move into my car trailer. :lol:

Wrap it up soon? :lol: Good one.

The multiple track days is a no brainer... but I cannot be held responsible for you and Brian living together in a trailer in Simi Valley.

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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 588860)
Dave,

Any thoughts on whether you will be able to adjust the pinion angle with this setup? With my original JRS setup, the 'old' style that used 2 rods to triangulate the housing to the TA, I could. When we added Jake's plate which bolts to the pinion support and then to the TA, you lose that ability unless you egg out some holes.

From what I can see in this picture, it looks all welded in that area, so is there any adjustment I can't see?

Looks like it's going to be a nice setup! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 588862)
I would assume they set up the angles and fabricate around it. It "shouldn't" need adjustment. Unless the vibration at freeway speeds on the Griswold family road trip bothers the little one. :D

No adjustment is correct. They set it and forget it. The whole shoot n' match is pretty close to what Filip runs on his '66 as that has the same 108" wheelbase.

So Bryan, when you swapping out that JRS TA? :popcorn2:


Thanks fellas... I think I am on a good course. :cheers:

carbuff 01-09-2015 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 588872)
So Bryan, when you swapping out that JRS TA? :popcorn2:

:) If I were going to swap it all out, I would go all the way to a 3-link instead of another TA. Too many challenges between exhaust routing and sway bar mounting and setting driveshaft angles. Of course I liked keeping the back seat on TOW.

Given the race car status of BMF :poke: , I'm a little surprised you didn't jump all the way up to a 3-link instead of the TA. Since you are making the change, any thoughts on that choice?

GregWeld 01-09-2015 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 588899)
:) If I were going to swap it all out, I would go all the way to a 3-link instead of another TA. Too many challenges between exhaust routing and sway bar mounting and setting driveshaft angles. Of course I liked keeping the back seat on TOW.

Given the race car status of BMF :poke: , I'm a little surprised you didn't jump all the way up to a 3-link instead of the TA. Since you are making the change, any thoughts on that choice?



He wanted to insure that both Gaetano and I can pass his ass despite having a NASCAR winning motor.

fleetus macmullitz 01-09-2015 11:41 AM

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He wanted to insure that both Gaetano and I can pass his ass despite having a NASCAR winning motor.

:lol:

Chad-1stGen 01-09-2015 12:26 PM

I got excited reading about actual car progress!! Good stuff Dave!

I can't wait to hit up a track day with you and have you beat me soundly again :)

Flash68 01-09-2015 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 588899)
:) If I were going to swap it all out, I would go all the way to a 3-link instead of another TA. Too many challenges between exhaust routing and sway bar mounting and setting driveshaft angles. Of course I liked keeping the back seat on TOW.

Given the race car status of BMF :poke: , I'm a little surprised you didn't jump all the way up to a 3-link instead of the TA. Since you are making the change, any thoughts on that choice?

I am not sure if I would completely agree with your implication that a 3 link is going "all the way"... it's debatable I guess, just like about everything else on this site. :)

I have a lot going on in the back seat area right now anyway, so it could be a challenge if I were to "go all the way" but I haven't looked into it to be honest. I bought into the torque arm idea 3 years ago based on its simplicity and Jake doing well with it in AIX.

Cortex has been very successful with their torque arm (and other parts) so when I decided to go with them it was part buying into Cortex/Filip and part the mechanism itself. Filip is a real engineer by trade as well.

Contrary to popular belief I am not building a GT-1 car (do they have lic plates? :peepwall:) and I don't plan on being the guy tuning and adjusting a million things between every session. Not interested in that.

Here is Sutton's brief explanation and I maintain it should suit me well. Of course... are these cars ever done? :)

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 497564)

Torque Arm suspensions are also common as a factory style rear suspension in some cars. They are the simplest of the designs, allow a high degree of rear end articulation & can take high shock loads from hard launches. They can be made "a little" adjustable, but typically offer less adjustability than the other designs, as far as controlling the front Instant Center, rise leverage & anti-squat. If designed well & installed as instructed, these make a great all around suspension for the person that doesn't want to tune much.

3-links are very common in road racing, especially in full body cars like GT1 & the Trans Am series, because they allow for the most articulation & can be highly adjustable & tunable for track conditions. You also see them a lot on top AutoX racers.


Flash68 01-09-2015 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad-1stGen (Post 588926)
I got excited reading about actual car progress!! Good stuff Dave!

I can't wait to hit up a track day with you and have you beat me soundly again :)

You and me both! I really wanna go back to Willow Springs sometime.


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