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Vegas69 01-20-2013 03:52 PM

I looked back at my notes and my screws were 1.5 turns out. When I said a lean jet, I meant your actual main jets. They can cause a hesitation and a rich idle mixture will help. I found that my car needed a really agressive pump cam. I used the orange cam but it comes down to your own configuration. With an idle mixture that is to fat, you stand a good chance of fouling plugs. I'd see at what idle mixture screw adjustment get you to your highest idle and use that as your baseline. Then you can adjust accel cam and jets and tweak the idle mixture a hair if needed.

Sieg 01-20-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleTx (Post 459313)
I have used a couple of the Holley HP carbs in the past on 350 small blocks. After reading the posts on your carb settings I went out and checked the settings on my carbs. The Holley 650 HP with mechanical secondarys that I ran on the Camaro had the idle mixture screws at ¾ turn out. The Holley 750 HP I ran had the Idle mixture screws out 1-1/4 turn.

The pump discharge nozzle I used on the 650 HP was .029 on the primary and .031 on the secondary. The fuel pressure was 5 psi for the tune. I tried a higher pressure fuel pump one time (7.5 psi) and it threw the tune off. The carb was very sensitive to the pressure change.

I agree with Greg about dialing in the tune on the chassis dyno… saves a lot of time and you get to see the results of the changes on a graph. It’s also fun to stand back and watch your car all wound up.

:thumbsup:

What idle air bleed jets were in this carb? Mine has 70's but the unknown factor (to me) is the impact of the idle bypass system in the baseplate. Holley says it does not impact other circuits.......but it does impact the tune.......especially if trying to compare to you 4150 :headscratch:

Look at the features on this page to see some of the changes: http://www.holley.com/0-80802HB.asp

Even though it may bore you now that you're into techie-tuning. :mock:
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A little off subject here... but do you recognize this bike?

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4cc08bce.jpg
NEVER! It's got a motor and wheels!

In the backyard:
http://sieg.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/...G%209562-M.jpg

Sieg 01-20-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 459334)
:sieg:

I just noticed this new emoticon is labeled "Sieg"... :lol: :lmao:

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Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 459340)
Sieg ain't no dummy...he came up with a plan where he only gets charged $.01 when someone uses it, but when he does, it's free. :thumbsup:

Hey! I earned that fair and square after damn near two months of trying to get an archaic Gen 1 running. :sieg:

Maybe Davie if you work hard enough at your lucrative mod job Jody will give you a special one! http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...es/pictime.gif

Skip - Is there is a smiley appropriate for you?.......maybe a string of them but certainly not a singular one. http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...walkingdog.gifhttp://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...milies/ban.gifhttp://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...ies/sign06.gifhttp://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...stirthepot.gif http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...readjacked.gifhttp://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...fighting72.gifhttp://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...es/dousing.gif http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...es/muahaha.gif


:cheers:

DaleTx 01-20-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 459382)
What idle air bleed jets were in this carb? Mine has 70's but the unknown factor (to me) is the impact of the idle bypass system in the baseplate. Holley says it does not impact other circuits.......but it does impact the tune.......especially if trying to compare to you 4150 :headscratch:

Look at the features on this page to see some of the changes: http://www.holley.com/0-80802HB.asp

Even though it may bore you now that you're into techie-tuning. :mock:


NEVER! It's got a motor and wheels!

In the backyard:
http://sieg.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/...G%209562-M.jpg

The idle air bleeds in my 650 HP are 68's.

Using squirters, springs, cams, floats, power valves, jets, and such seems so primitive and old fashioned....Lol.

These days I call my tuner, we plug in the lap top, push a few buttons and I'm good to go. Seriously the new stuff is awesome :mock:

Nice form on the trials bike :thumbsup:

Sieg 01-20-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleTx (Post 459410)
The idle air bleeds in my 650 HP are 68's.

Using squirters, springs, cams, floats, power valves, jets, and such seems so primitive and old fashioned....Lol.

These days I call my tuner, we plug in the lap top, push a few buttons and I'm good to go. Seriously the new stuff is awesome :mock:

Nice form on the trials bike :thumbsup:

Thanks for checking the bleeds. :thumbsup:

What happens when you can't reach your tuner and you have a corrupt map? :popcorn2: :mock: :popcorn2:

Don't have much talent on the trials bike but I really enjoy it. :thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets 01-20-2013 09:24 PM

am I the only one that tunes by ear, butt and vac gauge?
I have never worried about turn count.

Fetch a decent idle around 800, or till you read 0 hg at the venturi port. Register a slight idle circuit from the secondary blades. Turn the mixture screws in till you detect idle change then back out 1 turn. Then Butt tune the accel pump cams and squirters.

DaleTx 01-20-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 459416)
Thanks for checking the bleeds. :thumbsup:

What happens when you can reach your tuner and you have a corrupt map? :popcorn2: :mock: :popcorn2:

Don't have much talent on the trials bike but I really enjoy it. :thumbsup:

You got me... I'll have to start working on plan B.... maybe a back up ECM... extra sensors... triple A membership :headscratch:

:cheers:

intocarss 01-20-2013 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 459430)
am I the only one that tunes by ear, butt and vac gauge?
I have never worried about turn count.

Fetch a decent idle around 800, or till you read 0 hg at the venturi port. Register a slight idle circuit from the secondary blades. Turn the mixture screws in till you detect idle change then back out 1 turn. Then Butt tune the accel pump cams and squirters.

:idea: :thumbsup:

intocarss 01-20-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 459382)

Now show us your personnal MX track :warning:

Sieg 01-21-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 459430)
am I the only one that tunes by ear, butt and vac gauge?
I have never worried about turn count.

Fetch a decent idle around 800, or till you read 0 hg at the venturi port. Register a slight idle circuit from the secondary blades. Turn the mixture screws in till you detect idle change then back out 1 turn. Then Butt tune the accel pump cams and squirters.

That's my preferred way once I find a base which hopefully is the case. :thumbsup: Typically I'll find high/low range of the mixture screw, center it and fine tune with vac guage for max vac which is around 11" with this cam @ 9,50-1,000. The pump cams and squirters are the fun part. :unibrow:

This is the best guide I have: http://www.holley.com/data/Products/.../199R10321.pdf


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