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ironworks 03-31-2013 08:57 AM

Thanks guys, now the real ideas will start to become reality.

214Chevy 03-31-2013 09:13 AM

Glad to see the build will remain under your hands Rodger. Keep us updated on the pics. Pinky swear!! :rules:

ironworks 04-08-2013 08:08 AM

Looks like this might be the new direction. Orange Paint with the Gripp Equipped Drop Kick wheels. Should be interesting.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...revision-1.jpg

Looking at a Whipple Supercharged LSX engine with the Wegner Front drive for the billet Dailey Dry sump pan.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ngewhipple.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...lowerdrive.jpg

Man I like orange.

GregWeld 04-08-2013 08:14 AM

'63 Grand Sport meets '69 Camaro...


Nice look.

71RS/SS396 04-08-2013 08:21 AM

I like the orange better than the green. Those whipples make some serious power, Kurt just put our blower test mule on the dyno last week, first pull it made 962 hp and over 800 lb/ft@3,500 rpm, the timing was only 13* and it was lean, we had to stop since it pitched the water pump pulley off.

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...g71/29dyno.png

Sieg 04-08-2013 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 474300)
Man I like orange.

:yes:

Glad to see there's wind in the sails of this project again. Sad to see someone have to let it go.

ironworks 04-08-2013 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71RS/SS396 (Post 474303)
I like the orange better than the green. Those whipples make some serious power, Kurt just put our blower test mule on the dyno last week, first pull it made 962 hp and over 800 lb/ft@3,500 rpm, the timing was only 13* and it was lean, we had to stop since it pitched the water pump pulley off.

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...g71/29dyno.png

You will have to get me some info on the Kurt Urban Crate engine package. That sounds like it would be right up our alley. We are running the Whipple because we are have a really good connection in the fact the owner of the car know the owner and I met him a few weeks ago at a dirt race. And the owner of Whipple is looking to have us do some custom work on a big hp 57 Chevy he is building.

66fury 04-08-2013 03:35 PM

SHAAAWING. !!!!!!:thumbsup:

tellyv 04-08-2013 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 474370)
You will have to get me some info on the Kurt Urban Crate engine package. That sounds like it would be right up our alley. We are running the Whipple because we are have a really good connection in the fact the owner of the car know the owner and I met him a few weeks ago at a dirt race. And the owner of Whipple is looking to have us do some custom work on a big hp 57 Chevy he is building.

Call Wegners they'll set you up and make at least that or more! (920)394-3557

214Chevy 04-08-2013 09:31 PM

That orange is nasty if I say so myself.

Vince@Meanstreets 04-08-2013 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 214Chevelle (Post 474411)
That orange is nasty if I say so myself.

yup, straight Ms Jackson nasty. already pops.

ironworks 05-09-2013 07:26 AM

Well I'm a little behind on updating this project but let me see what I can get handled this Morning.

We did our first months worth of work for the new owner, Troy. We are working to try and get the engine as low as possible with the Dailey Dry sump pan that is on it. We have a ton of clearance under the pan but the limiting factor is the bellhousing. So we have been exploring going to a relocated starter with a triple 7.25" clutch from Tilton or QuarterMaster.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...-2013007-1.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...-2013006-1.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...23-2013005.jpg

The customer really wants to run a bad ass supercharged engine and he has great contacts with the guys at Whipple. So we have been exploring how to get a 2.9 - 4.0L super charger on this car with out having it look like a prostreet car. We have been playing with different ideas to try and make it really slick. If you notice this blower and manifold combo has a rear entry throttle body with completely hidden injectors in the manifold. This game plan would be awesome with the rear billet aluminum firewall we are laying out to design. Plus this low profile manifold and pulley system from Wegner might keep things under the hood.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ngewhipple.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...lowerdrive.jpg

The blower manifold mock up in this picture is a little high still but, like I said we think we can drop the engine 2" still. The sheetmetal is just a mock up to begin designing a billet firewall that will be machine from 5/8 plate and become a lightened structural member of the car.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...29-2013021.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...29-2013022.jpg

You can see it still looks a little "Prostreet" with the full intercooler and such.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...29-2013023.jpg

You can see the way the aluminum firewall will set in the car around the designed frame pieces once it is built. It will go in from the front and bolt in from the interior.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...29-2013024.jpg

In this picture you can see how we have brought the upper tube crossmembers back to the reinforcement plate that goes inside the tailpanel.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...29-2013004.jpg

In this picture you can see the mock up fuel tanks we set up to define the perfect shape before we send the these to Rick's Tanks to make the dual pump system for this car to handle the Horsepower.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...29-2013017.jpg

ironworks 05-09-2013 07:27 AM

Once the rear diffuser is defined we will mount the battery in the center of the tubes but closer to the axle center line to minimize the swing weight.
You can also see the extension of the rear valance all the way forward to the back of the wheel tubs. You can also see how beefy our chassis tables are. You can't make a chassis table out of material weaker then the car and intend it to anything more the just jack stands. Plus you can't make the table and roller and expect it to be level where ever you move it in the shop. :idea: :idea: :idea:

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...29-2013020.jpg

Finally here is the mock up of the pedal system that will allow us to make custom pedals that we can machine and give us a really nice steering column angle. Hanging pedals would be tough in this car as the reservoirs would be really tight to the hood and tough to fill and the hanging pedals would limit the angle of the column and require more angle to send it through the firewall below the master cylinders and inbetween the brake and gas pedal usually.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...29-2013025.jpg

We should start back on this months round of work next week. It is coming along nicely and I hope to start doing some heavy design work on the front end of the car.

Thanks for taking time to look.

Al Moreno 05-09-2013 07:48 AM

Dorger, :peepwall: this is going to be your EPIC build right there!

ironworks 05-09-2013 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Moreno (Post 479224)
Dorger, :peepwall: this is going to be your EPIC build right there!

Thanks, I'm sure this one will be awesome, But we have a build or two waiting in the wings that may out do this Camaro. We have two great repeat customers working toward out doing what we have already done for them by along shot on these new projects.... No pics and nothing else to say but just trust me they will be awesome.

Some people know the car I'm talking about. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

XLexusTech 05-09-2013 08:09 AM

Holy thats Nice... this guy must be a billionaire :sarcasm_smiley:

windycitychev 05-09-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 281978)
Just a few updates to make all the calls, emails and Pm's slow down for a few days..... Maybe.

Some progress
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ril2010029.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ril2010074.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ril2010075.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ril2010077.jpg

Both sides of the car getting caught up to each other. We are looking to start on the engine and front section of the chassis. We have been waiting on some parts to become available to build this the way we want.

the pick of the over view of all the cars you guys are working is just a beautiful view

ironworks 05-09-2013 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windycitychev (Post 479257)
the pick of the over view of all the cars you guys are working is just a beautiful view

Thanks, According to Greg, that's my normal view. I was standing upstairs when that was taken, don't believe the peanut gallery.

:sarcasm_smiley: :sarcasm_smiley: :sarcasm_smiley:

HWY Nova 05-09-2013 11:13 AM

I like this pic the best!

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ril2010029.jpg


--Eric

Ron in SoCal 05-09-2013 11:21 AM

Rodger thx for posting updates on this one. Can't wait for details on your pipeline builds :teaser:

I know Troy has a line with Whipple and they do make great power, but Maggie has a couple of new models that fit under the hood.

http://www.magnacharger.com/p-113-co...arger-kit.aspx

Not sure if you're running a 6.2 or 7.0 and I'm sure you know their line up, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

bentfab 05-09-2013 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HWY Nova (Post 479268)

:snapout: it's an old pic! Now instead of looking down on it... You can look up at it....:stirthepot: :lmao:


Rog... the car is looking bad ass! Now all you need is a good plumber :D

HWY Nova 05-09-2013 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bentfab (Post 479321)

Now instead of looking down on it... You can look up at it....:stirthepot: :lmao:


:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: You are a funny guy!

Ok....... Back to the awesome Camaro the Ironworks is creating!



--Eric

preston 05-09-2013 02:49 PM

I've never heard of anyone that was happy with a mini-clutch on anything street driven. Something for the owner to think about if this is going to be a driven car. I've seen a lot of people start down that road thinking "I will live with it" and invariably about 6 months later I see them going back to a 10.5" clutch or turning it into a track car. It might work with some of the newer CF bad assery out there, after all some of the exotics get away with it but I'd definitely do some testing on a mule somewhere.

I may be out on a limb here but with all the slick pro-tour cars we've seen I almost wonder if a hint of pro-street bad assery might not work, although, given the direction of this particular car, probably not. Would look cool on something though.

Cole 05-09-2013 02:52 PM

I love that First Gen Nova!!!!

ironworks 05-09-2013 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preston (Post 479323)
I've never heard of anyone that was happy with a mini-clutch on anything street driven. Something for the owner to think about if this is going to be a driven car. I've seen a lot of people start down that road thinking "I will live with it" and invariably about 6 months later I see them going back to a 10.5" clutch or turning it into a track car. It might work with some of the newer CF bad assery out there, after all some of the exotics get away with it but I'd definitely do some testing on a mule somewhere.

I may be out on a limb here but with all the slick pro-tour cars we've seen I almost wonder if a hint of pro-street bad assery might not work, although, given the direction of this particular car, probably not. Would look cool on something though.

Carbon triple discs work fine with big power on the street. The owner used to race sprint cars, So anything is better then a push start direct drive race car.

The customer wants the blower under the hood. And he is willing to do all way can to achieve that.


Thanks for the compliments guys. If Eric runs out of daughters to get married we might start back on the old 62 vert. Darrell is begin to pull ahead of Eric by a a ways in project Slow Motion.

WSSix 05-09-2013 03:40 PM

Love what you guys are doing with this car. Good luck!

Darrell 05-09-2013 08:17 PM

I think we should rename Eric's car,how bout project
MOOOOLAAAAASSSSSEESS (molasses):stirthepot: :lol: :lol:

bentfab 05-09-2013 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 479378)
I think we should rename Eric's car,how bout project
MOOOOLAAAAASSSSSEESS (molasses):stirthepot: :lol: :lol:

I think Rodger hinted why the nova is upstairs and not down stairs. :headscratch:

Thank God I have boys !

Mark

andrewb70 05-09-2013 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 479325)
Carbon triple discs work fine with big power on the street. The owner used to race sprint cars, So anything is better then a push start direct drive race car.

The customer wants the blower under the hood. And he is willing to do all way can to achieve that.


Thanks for the compliments guys. If Eric runs out of daughters to get married we might start back on the old 62 vert. Darrell is begin to pull ahead of Eric by a a ways in project Slow Motion.

Using a triple disk carbon/carbon clutch on the street is definitely possible and it should work quite well. A typical setup will run $5-6K

In order to get the required ground clearance, you would have to use a button style flywheel and a with a ring gear that is mounted on top of the clutch cover. Like this one from Quarter Master:

http://quartermasterusa.compperforma...ing-gear_1.jpg

The main issue will be making a mount for the reverse mount starter. It may be possible to machine the Corvette torque tube bellhousing and weld on a mount that would accommodate the reverse mount starter. It's all doable...

Here is a reverse mount bellhousing that works with your basic circle track style transmission (g-force, rankin, Jerico, etc...)

http://quartermasterusa.compperforma.../1/110100r.jpg

You may even be able to take that bellhousing and cut out the starter mounting pocket and weld it to the Corvette torque tube bellhousing.

Andrew

FETorino 05-09-2013 09:55 PM

[QUOTE=ironworks;479222]Well I'm a little behind on updating this project but let me see what I can get handled this Morning.

We did our first months worth of work for the new owner, Troy. We are working to try and get the engine as low as possible with the Dailey Dry sump pan that is on it. We have a ton of clearance under the pan but the limiting factor is the bellhousing. So we have been exploring going to a relocated starter with a triple 7.25" clutch from Tilton or QuarterMaster.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...-2013006-1.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...23-2013005.jpg

Those Dailey pans are pretty slick aren't they.:unibrow:

Darrell 05-10-2013 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bentfab (Post 479388)
I think Rodger hinted why the nova is upstairs and not down stairs. :headscratch:

Thank God I have boys !

Mark

I know what's up with Eric,my youngest got married almost two years ago and my other daughter could announce any day,FAMILY FIRST!,then cars,what's another couple of years.....that's why my project is called;project slow motion

GregWeld 05-10-2013 06:09 AM

The Camaro - EX Dave version - just needs to be twin turbo not blown....


There! You heard it here first.

bentfab 05-10-2013 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 479432)
The Camaro - EX Dave version - just needs to be twin turbo not blown....


There! You heard it here first.

I thought of it FIRST !



Hey, Rodger why doesn't the customer go with twins? To much extra stuff? To normal now a days? Or just plain ol wants a blower.

Mark

ironworks 05-10-2013 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bentfab (Post 479469)
I thought of it FIRST !



Hey, Rodger why doesn't the customer go with twins? To much extra stuff? To normal now a days? Or just plain ol wants a blower.

Mark

Cuz we likes simple. And just like brake reservoirs, that is what he wants. So a blower what he will get.

Rodger

ironworks 05-14-2013 04:49 PM

Kamaka says we should gain about a half a SHAKA with this new bellhousing.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...14-2013022.jpg

:mock: :mock: :mock:

Rick D 05-14-2013 05:46 PM

WOW that's very nice :king: Rodger who makes that bell housing? Or is it a Iron Works skunk works item :hello:

andrewb70 05-14-2013 07:20 PM

Looks like a Tilton bellhousing.

Andrew

ironworks 06-02-2013 05:01 PM

So we got the Tilton bellhousing mocked up. We are going to machine a custom end for the torque tube to make attaching the torque tube to a standard bellhousing a solution. We are setting up the engine plate for the car. I THINK....... We have the engine front drive system figured out. Not quite sure I can put it into words, but I know what I'm supposed to do to make it clean like the customer wants. Now we just have to make it a reality, should be pretty awesome when complete.

We have continued some work on the the middle of the car. We are waiting on the ZR1 hubs for the car to begin to mock up wheels. We lowered the torque tube tunnel to go with the lowered engine position that we achiveved with the smaller bellhousing. We are still working with Whipple to get the blower manifold and drive system finalized to move to the front of the car.

Enough Blah Blah Blah. Here are some pics.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...-2013002-1.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...21-2013015.jpg


http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...31-2013003.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...31-2013004.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...31-2013005.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...31-2013006.jpg

We also began welding out the floor sections. Time to design floor insert panels.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...31-2013009.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...31-2013010.jpg

coolwelder62 06-02-2013 06:28 PM

Rodger!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

fleetus macmullitz 06-02-2013 07:17 PM

:wow:

Tall 'rod designers' see more. ;)


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