Naaaa..... I believe her this time, I'm sure she's telling the truth!!:guns:

Where do people get the idea that there are no background checks? When you buy a gun, the first thing you have to do is fill out a form and consent to a background check to the FBI.

not all states and I think they are talking long guns now. The one I don't like is restricting ammo count.

How do they think they can accomplish controlling current ammunition stock-piles? Go back to tunnel-rat tactics used in Vietnam, or door to door property searches? :lostmarbles:

Start in Chicago, bang on all the doors you want. Let us know how that works out.... I can promise you there are some doors here in Tennessee that they will regret knocking on... I'm just sayin' :guns:


Jeff-

Who here lives in a state where they don't require a background check to buy a gun?

I've never heard of that. Here in MO, that is the protocol, even at a gun show, despite what you hear about those 'gun show loopholes'.

Well in NYC, you can't buy a soda larger than how many ounces? :lmao:
brilliant.

A video worth sharing:

33 states have no requirement, and the other 17 have varying degrees of checks that fall into 3 buckets, background check, background check for handgun only and background check for a permit that allows you then to purchase guns, which is what MO has and what to me makes the most logical sense to me as not only could it close the loophole, it could actually provide some benefit for responsible gun owners, for example you could lower the waiting period, or really just not ban any guns or clips or anything.

Reality is rules and background checks only work with law abiding individuals. Though they also lay a road map identifying landmines for non-law abiding individuals.

Those with a need that cannot pass the paperwork and background check procedures resort to alternative resources. Their wait time depends on their connections, local market inventory, and budget. Those connections can also be informants providing information on households that have guns that are easy burglary/robbery targets.

That is EXACTLY why mine are stored at all times unless being transported - in this - bolted to the floor - and the shed has a motion sensor that is silent. Note this is a BURGLARY and Fire safe. The door is half an inch of steel...


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Of course out of the 1.3 million people turned away from background checks already, some got guns through other means and would continue but basic economics would come into play in that getting one would be harder.

They could certainly still get one, but the investment would go up significantly, either in terms of actual $$, or in terms of risk to secure them and most likely both.

Many would still go for it, but a not insignificant percentage would either be unable or unwilling to try to get a gun and I'm willing to be inconvenienced slightly for that.

so to get back on point I think we all agree its the CRAZIES that must be kept up with. its a no brainer our 2nd amendments rights are NOT at stake. its all the rest of them ??? warrantless wire taps. due process . why would we get all up in arms over back ground checks but let the government into our private lives ?? we have become a police state.:idea:

I know in Florida some jurisdictions do not require a back ground check.

all purchases are

California
Colorado
Connecticut
Illinois
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island

hand gun only states are
Hawaii
Maryland
New Jersey
Pennsylvania

You can walk through a gun show in Nevada and buy a gun without a back ground check.

by preventing us from buying more. Think I may buy an air soft rifle to use for target practice. LOL

Lack of proper planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part. :mock: Still have that motor as trading stock? That strategy would exploit the faults in their system. :rules:

:sieg: im good....just shoot less....LIKE I HAVE TIME!!!! LOL

yeah, trade the engine for 5000 rounds of 5.56 LC M855 :thumbsup:


Ask greg if that extreme standing mat is for when he stares at himself in the mirror, admirering his collection or cause he keeps forgetting his combo. LOL

Just out of curiosity M855 or M855A1? :popcorn2:

:headscratch: It could be a prayer mat.........for accuracy in time of need.

"what else do you have in the warehouse?"

oh, green tip only, brown will clash with my ammo cases.

I don't have a warehouse but there's a couple sources I could ask......just want to have the right part number! :D All my stuff is 52-55 grn V-Max.

Fiotcchi Hornady 55
haaaa, thats the good stuff that I hoard everytime I go to Cabelas. Last time I bought it was $33 box of 50. Now its $39 for 20.

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BTW that was a quote from gone in 60.

CT had some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, and yet, see what still happened? More laws do not stop crazy, and that proves my point.

Do you have an actual source where I can see for myself? Because no matter what state you buy in, if you buy from an FFL, that is a Federal license and they are required to run a background check.

Tell me about this 'no requirement' you're talking about.

I was talking about gun shows and/or private sales. Federal law says in those situations, if you're not a gun dealer or generally engaged in the gun business that you simply can't sell to someone who you suspect cannot have the gun, which is pretty vague.

Unrelated to that but relevent to this thread:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/62y...n-natio,30984/

Ok, but there are no 'gun show loopholes'. That is a political term like 'assault' rifle.

At a gun show, you purchase from a dealer the same way you would at their storefront. A background check is done. Now, a private sale, a check does not need to be done, its private. But there are laws against selling to a known felon, so its seller beware. This differs state to state and is legitimate.

Think about all the millions and millions of guns in the country. Gun ownership is skyrocketing and FBI statics tells us that violent crime rate has dropped almost 50% in the last 20 years. That is huge! We don't need more laws, or govt intervention. /soapbox.
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Now that's a classic image. lol

I have recieved email responses from my senator, congressman, representative here in Tennessee, all in support of not banning or changing current laws. (at least that is the form letter in response to me saying I will not vote for your a$$ if you go along...). I've voted on a half dozen online polls about it (Fox, USA, etc.) and they all show results in the 75-95% against banning or adding new laws. Yet Washington is saying there is "strong" support for these measures to be taken... support from WHOM?!? The police have shown they don't support it. Folks in the military don't support it. Only female democrats and the british seem to want it...


Jeff-

Here's a link to CNN polling data:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...iref=allsearch

814 people polled ? That CNN report doesn't reflect that many people and the % is actually decreasing in support of Gun control

From CNN polls of course!

Politicians using CNN data to represent all of America's opinion.. sounds objective to me! not.

Statistics are meaningless without knowing the method. You can asked loaded questions and easily sway people

Assault weapons were used to murder children,should assault weapons be banned? Most people will say ok makes sense yes


Assault weapons seldom are used to commit mass murders while most murders are commited using a handgun,do you feel assault weapons should be banned? People will be more likely to say no.

In the end most people dont really have a clue on whats happening in the world they live in so they will answer questions based on assumptions and media exposure. I seldom give much weight to surveys.

It may vary state to state, but not everyone selling at gun shows is a dealer. If I have guns I want to sell I can get a stall and sell them just the same as if I'm going to a car swap meet.

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Those people are called Sheep and we all know sheep are clueless. Even when it comes to their own protection they have no idea.

I realize that. Outlawing or even trying to regulate private gun sales will not stop criminals from getting guns.

Drugs are outlawed and users still have no problem getting them.

So we ignore the Fox and USA Today and online surveys as well?

there is no "gun show loophole". The law at a gun show is the same as outside a gun show. That's just a phrase used to misrepresent the truth. Unfortunately there are many people who truly believe that if you're at a gun show that it's a free for all, and anyone can buy a gun there from anyone without any background checks. They think that one arena has a different set or laws, which is a lie.

Yes, personal transactions can happen without background checks, same as they can on Craigslist, at your house, etc. It is not a different set of laws for gun shows, it's the same laws. Any dealer must do a background check, private sales (depending on the state) do not. Same as two blocks away from the gun show.

If you want to eliminate this "loophole" then quit calling it a gun show loophole; call it a private sale loophole, and non dealer loophole, or whatever.

Your poll shows dropping support for a gun ban. Is that what you were trying to show?

Should Congress create laws based on surveys?