Real bummer Payton, wish I could say I'm surprised.

Sorry to hear that Payton. Car photographs well nonetheless! I had a JRS front clip and had only some minor issues with the product. But - it took for friggin ever to get. And then came in a number of shipments. I had strongly considered using his torque arm but the experience turned me off big time. I ended up selling the clip and changing direction completely. While you've got some significant issues to resolve, in the right hands this thing is still going to be BA! Looking forward to the corrections and progress!

It may be crooked, too long, etc. etc., but every time I see the pics of that car, I say to myself, wow that is cool as hell. I know we all have different taste in cars, but a full frame, down in the weeds is hard to beat.

This is your chance to make it better then it was before, faster, stronger. If I could make the six million dollar man eye noises come out of the computer it would be awesome. All kidding aside, when its done, as low and wide as thing is, this thing will be up there as one of the best Camaro builds of all time. Stay the course and gitter done.

Agreed!

Don't let one crook taint your vision Payton. :thumbsup:

Im with creative Ron, don't fucuss on the negative. Take the bad, embrace it, hold it and turn it around on its heals. Many of my own great accomplishments were born from mistakes.
I would love to see a 110" wheel base track car.

Well aren't you a bundle of positivity today. :D

Stay classy, Baltimore. :cheers:

Thanks for the words of encouragement guys.

Here is some of what has happened up to this point. Once I got the car back to my house in September, I noticed a few things right off and broke out the tape measure.

First issue was he built/ordered my rear 2 inches too narrow. He did correct that problem but it took me 6 months to get it...and then he did not weld the lower TA mount on so I had to have that done.

At the same time I noticed that he built the "bird cage" for the watts to close to the stanchion tubes on the rear end housing. I have 1.25 inches of compression travel before it hits. The shock mounts are on the inside of the frame rail an is part of the "bird cage." The mount is too close to the frame so I cannot attach a shock without it hitting.

While we are still at the rear, the mount for the fuel cell was built to the wrong measurements. No off the shelf fuel cell will fit, so that has to be remade.

Front LCA that he fabbed are too wide. Can only get 18 degrees of turn at ride height and about 8 degrees at compression. I let him know about the problem and told him he needed to move each side in a minimum of an inch. Had a conversation and sent pictures. Where the wheels contact the control arm is 9 inches wide; on the same spot as a stock C5/6 arm it is 7 inches. He made me a new set of arms and sent them when he sent the rear end. The new arms are still not correct. He moved the leading tube in but left the back profile of the arm the same, essentially no correction since it was hitting in the rear.

Everyone knows that the car's wheel base is 2 inches too long. I texted Jake and asked "so how are we going to resolve this?" He said to move the entire clip back 2 inches. I asked who is paying? He said "I will to a point of what makes more sense of me doing it or someone there."

We will see if he steps up and pays for it to be corrected. I know for sure there is no way my car is going back to his shop with as many issues as it has now and the time frame he is on to complete anyone's work.

In the next couple of weeks we are going to level up the car and start pulling measurements and checking geometry, so I will keep you posted.

Almost forgot, to add insult to injury, he cut out my gas fill location off of the tail pan and used it to make a part for another customer without asking me.

WTF!?!





only one thing to do now....Shelby gas filler flip cap.

#Winning

:getout:

Payton this sounds all too familiar...I am sorry to hear all the crap you have to wade through I've been there with Jake. After 2 years I finally ended up with almost everything he owed me, I gave up on the axles. It is just mind boggling, to treat customers this way and expect to stay in business. I still really like the parts I got from him, but the stress and everything that comes along with it is not worth it. I hope you get it all resolved and it all works out for you.

WTF??? I hate it when people pull crap like that.

Hope everything works out for you. Love your previous 69 Camaro. No doubt this one will be killer when you're done.

I am really sorry to hear this happened to you!
 

had a long post and some of my typical brain dumping :D Figured it not appropriate or necessary, so...

The summary: the dude that built that chassis is a total dipsh!t (which appears I simply concur with everyone else here so no news there). A kid that saw a handy man build a deck on a cabin "this one time at band camp" could do a better job. At least he would have seen a guy use a plumb bob, level, and tape measure to square up the framing.

I hope you can keep it rolling and get back in there, and I am with everyone else, keep the faith! I can imagine how hard it is to stay motivated, but I too think it will be pretty bitchin' once it is done and fixed by a guy that knows his stuff.

Is it done yet?

Is it at least longer than a Torino now?

:smiley_smack:


No charge Payton :captain1:

In hot rodding circles it's quite kool to CHOP or CHANNEL a car..... So I think Payton is on to a whole new era of what will no doubt become the next big thing to hit the Pro-Touring world -- "The Frame Section"... AKA: Alternate Wheel Base Car. Back in my day - the hottest thing at the drag races were the AA/FX cars...

I think the man is on to something here. With a mild reposition of the body mounts one can choose to offset to the front of the wheel wells.... per this example:






http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ildchild_1.jpg




Or one can choose to offset the rear and gain some traction if needed. Personally I think the choice boils down to whether a guy chooses to have his car Push - - or Oversteer.






http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...l_landy-65.jpg

I've always found it far easier to adjust the body/chassis location vs. trying to make the chassis fit the wheel wells. The factory really choose such an arbitrary location for those anyway.

I love those altered wheelbase cars, can you imagine trying to road course that Dodge.LOL

I think Payton's has a pretty good game plan, the problem is the deeper he digs the more he finds. Hey, you can't take it with you. You might as well go for broke and annihilate the boys inheritance.

Glad you found your salt shaker for my wounds GW. LOL

We have a game plan and progress pics should be coming soon. Going to the lake on the 4th was way more important.

Payton Sorry to hear all these problems. These long distance builds are tough, you can't stay on top of everything you would notice if you were seeing it go together. I know it takes the wind out of your sails but you have a good hold on what you want to do so you'll get it done . I hope it gets easier from here on out.

It's service GW is more than happy to provide!

Minor update...wheel base is actually 111 inches. I am looking for a long wheel base C10 to put the frame under.

Should be cutting the front clip off and moving back 3 inches and up 2 inches. The cutting starts Saturday.

You're a :superhack: Oh, and

:ttiwop:

:D :cheers:

Happen have a nice flat black c10 about 5 minutes from my house.

Peyton,

Can you explain the need to go 'up 2 inches'? Looking at the pictures, the car looks like it's sitting pretty level. Do you mean you need the car itself to go up 2" so that when the front weight is on it will be at the right level? If you're raising the front of the frame 2", the car is going to be LOOOOOW!

Just trying to follow here. Sorry you're having to do this. :(

I hope he's moving the frame into the body 2" and modifies his fenders to look similar to this but in Camaro form.


http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/...onking/DTM.jpg

Can't wait for the pictures.:thumbsup:

Very cool Payton.

Super tite rendering!

Moving it back 3 inches to get the wheel base to 108, where it is supposed to be.

Moving the front clip up 2 inches so I can get my LCA's to a more level postion. I am wanting to travel my tire around 3 inches and Jake has it set up where I am already compressed 2 inches at ride height. If I try and travel it 3 inches where it sits now I have bump, camber issues, Etc. and it will be out of the designed range. He assumed that I was going to travel the front 1.25 inches. I told him before he started that I wanted the control arms level at my 4 inch ride height...

Ride height will still be 4 inches at the rockers, relocting the shocks with some trick adjusters from Ron Sutton.

Just scrap it and have Ron Sutton build you a real race car.

I should have gone with my original plan of getting a Howe TA2 car.

I like the way you are thinking! I too set my LCAs parallel to ground because of the added benefit of being so easy to verify suspension settings at the track after messing with cross weight even on uneven ground as you just quick verify you are 90 degrees to the frame. There are some that like them to angle "down" just a little bit from the inner point to the spindle point for camber gain but I have always found I can get a really good camber curve with level LCAs by just being careful about the UCA's inner mount points to get a correct length and pitch while making sure the static roll center stays in a range I desire. I am sure you will find a combo that does exactly what you want it to, just be prepared to reconsider the UCA mounting as well.

I don't always drink race gas, but when I do, it is dos equis.

Yawn. Fast... but yawn. :D

Forward buddy... forward! :thumbsup:

This will be way cooler when done!! Sorry to hear about all the issues you're having.

Hey Steve,

Figured you would be at Motor State. What is up with that?

Moon Walker is making major progress! :thumbups:

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Ok that did make me laugh out loud.

Holy ****.

I am talking to Jake about doing my 73 Camaro.