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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 576279)

I was waiting for a point by and he never gave one. So I went. He was full throttle and I passed with ease.

I had already been black flagged once that day for passing in a turn. So I was not wanting to get black flagged again.

The Porsche guy did not look very happy afterward in the pits.

I wish I knew if he was a good driver because my car was all over the GT3 in the sweepers. Judging by the one wiggle he was somewhat trying.

Mark

well, it was a cup car and the owners usualy have large cups with a lot of room. just sayin. :ohsnap:

In before the part number to that 177 t stat and housing. :secret:

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 576344)

Compliment or embarass? :D

Sorry couldn't resist the opening. :sieg:

A Gen 5 Camaro Z/28 is a full sorted track weapon. We spent 3 years dialing that car in and it is on awesome 60 treadwear tires. It had moths in the wind tunnel to get the areo balance correct, we tested it on 8 race tracks, we tested 8 different tires on it, It has a state of the art performance traction management system on it and the ABS calibration is matched perfectly to the car.

On my first real track event with Hellfire to be faster than the Z/28 on 300 tread wear tires is doing something. I'm swapping to 200 tread weartires, recalibrating the ABS, and make a small change to the springs for this weekend. I expect the delta between the Z/28 and Hellfire to get greater.

Everyone wants to believe their old muscle car will outrun the late model stuff. If you want to go fast for cheap buy a late model car.

If I put half of the money I have in my car in a C-6 Z06, GT3 or a GTR it would be a whipping fast. Way faster than Hellfire.

On a side note I don't want a Z06 or a GTR, I do kind a want a GT3. LOL.

I do this because to get a '69 Camaro to go this fast is fun and interesting.

I like going to car shows, SEMA and doing the Optima Shoot Outs.

It is just physics. They have better aerodynamic, better CG, better track width and most come with ABS. So take a ZO6 and gut it and you have a 2900 lb track car for about $35K. Or better yet get a C-5 Z06 for about $25K. Or you can by a POS '69 Camaro for about $12K and pour about a $100K+ into and 3 years of your life and be close to as fast as a stock Vette.

I do this because I love to and the engineering challenge is fun.

Mark

Awesome insight!

I can't thank you enough for what you have added to the overall experience of owning a 1st Gen Camaro. :thumbsup:

Mark...........Freak'in Awsum!!!!

Well said Mark.

My stupid little Lotus with it's 1.8 liter STOCK Toyota motor... <blown> and it's little itty bitty baby tires catches and passes well driven ZR1's without blinking an eye... Sorted out track cars seem to be hook to a fire hydrant. But it's just not nearly as much fun as the old '65 Mustang. Don't know why - can't explain it - it's just not. Maybe because it's TOO easy.... IDK.

Love your builds and insight. You? Not so much. See ya at SEMA.

Signed,
Pitbitch

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 576344)

Compliment or embarass? :D

Sorry couldn't resist the opening. :sieg:

I guess I meant it as a compliment to both cars. On one hand you have a new car with the resources of GM behind it that blows away everything in its class and some that are above its class. Then you have Hellfire that has twice the horsepower, but is a 45 year old car....that will probably blow away everything in its class, and some that are "above" its class (Porsche for example)!

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 576381)

I do this because I love to and the engineering challenge is fun.

Mark

I like that reason much better than - --"We are stupid". I do miss how easy my C5 was though

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Originally Posted by jlwdvm (Post 576403)

I was just a sarcastic tease (bad personal trait at times) that said........what engineers like Mark and others have brought to the marketplace for 'everyday' consumers is very impressive......and then there's the potential of the C7 Z06!

No matter the brand, American or Euro, the performance levels of new and old cars right now is amazing!

If I had to do it all over again I'd have pursued an automotive engineering career. The rewards of seeing a car like the new Z/28 come to market has to be a priceless experience.

Mark,

I was going to type up pretty much what Scott just wrote but honestly he said it much better then I could have ever said it so please pretend I just wrote what Scott did. I will add this you and your team are truly inspirational.

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Originally Posted by PTAddict (Post 576328)

This is just an amazing car. It makes me wonder, where can it go from here?

I'm in this hobby because of you, Mark. It definitely isn't your nature to promote yourself or your role in this hobby, but the truth is that you had a clear individual vision that started with Tri Tip, and that vision engaged the minds of some other key folk, and together a movement was built. If you want to think of it in corporate terms, you were and are the Chief Engineer and Technology Officer. Jeff Smith is SVP of PR. And the CEO isn't one person, it's the community: the forums like Pro-touring and Lat-g, the many small/medium businesses like DSE, Ridetech, Wilwood, etc, and the individual craftsmen who raise the bar every year. What a force this movement has become.

For me, the Red Witch cover story in Hot Rod in '96 twisted a couple of threads together for me - the thread that never got over my first ride as a nine year old in a muscle car in 1969, and the thread that appreciates modern engineering, performance, convenience. I've followed every build closely since, and much of what I learned is reflected in my latest car.

I think the most interesting thing I take away is your approach: build, learn, refine. The biggest mistakes I've made, and that I see others have made, are to shoot for the moon before achieving orbit. Your approach always seems to be: Let's start with what is proven. Decide what are the priorities for improvement. Take risks only for the highest priority items, and then research those risks as thoroughly as possible. Build and test in the real world. Rinse and repeat. It's a formula we would all do well to follow - at least if real world results are the criteria. If I'm not mistaken, it's the formula that ultimately built this ultimate car.

Best of luck at OUSCI!

Scott

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 576412)

If I had to do it all over again I'd have pursued an automotive engineering career. The rewards of seeing a car like the new Z/28 come to market has to be a priceless experience.

X2
The early 80's, when I was figuring out what I was doing after high school, certainly didn't inspire me to go into automotive engineering. Too bad I didn't have the insight I should have!