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Ron in SoCal 02-03-2015 09:49 AM

Awesome Brent! Keep going man ... :cheers:

DOOM 02-03-2015 09:49 AM

Brent nothing like a BB 55!!! I'm hoping you keep the pictures coming!

Craig67 02-03-2015 11:35 AM

That just sits right!! Well done.

Ricochet 02-03-2015 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bentfab (Post 593011)
Brent,

Car is looking KILLER !!!!


Mark

Thanks Mark!!!!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 593028)
Awesome Brent! Keep going man ... :cheers:

Thanks Ron!! Rolling pretty heavy on it right now!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 593029)
Brent nothing like a BB 55!!! I'm hoping you keep the pictures coming!

Thanks Mario!! Always been a BBC guy. Probably always will be!! Just one of the many things I like about your car!!



Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig67 (Post 593048)
That just sits right!! Well done.

Thanks Craig!!!

Lenie 02-03-2015 08:00 PM

Before
http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...55/Before.jpeg

Just BadAzzzzzz! Keepem' coming:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Hognuts 02-28-2015 11:39 AM

Well played sir!
 
Amazing! Incredible work, I don't even have the words, that thing is beautiful!

fleet 02-28-2015 02:45 PM

That sweet badd boy 55 is definitely helping neighborhood property values increase. ;)

:G-Dub:

tubbed69 02-28-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hognuts (Post 596684)
Amazing! Incredible work, I don't even have the words, that thing is beautiful!

I agree PERFECTION :king:

Ricochet 03-01-2015 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hognuts (Post 596684)
Amazing! Incredible work, I don't even have the words, that thing is beautiful!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo mentis (Post 596700)
That sweet badd boy 55 is definitely helping neighborhood property values increase. ;)

:G-Dub:

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubbed69 (Post 596714)
I agree PERFECTION :king:

Thanks again for the kind words!! Keeps me even more motivated! I have been making progress but lagging on the pics. More to come soon.

Tuske427 03-01-2015 04:18 PM

Awesome looking '55! It would be even more awesome of you expose those rear wheels ;)

Ricochet 03-01-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuske427 (Post 596778)
Awesome looking '55! It would be even more awesome of you expose those rear wheels ;)

Only if it was raised up about 18" and a straight axle under the front! :D

jy211 03-02-2015 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricochet (Post 596806)
Only if it was raised up about 18" and a straight axle under the front! :D

:D and no :superhack: the quarter

ccracin 03-02-2015 05:14 AM

Looks fantastic Brent! I can't wait to see ours on the wheels!

Ricochet 12-06-2015 12:11 PM

Updates as of 12/5/15
 
Well, time to resurrect this thread once again. Although I have not posted any updates in quite awhile I have been making good progress! The body is on the rotisserie and wrapped up all of the metal work underneath. I can say the body is 100% done and ready to go. With the body done it was time to tackle the chassis. I wanted to get everything installed to do one last fitment of everything and make sure no issues once final assembly gets underway. With everything installed it was time to do the brake line plumbing. I want to throw some major props to Mark @ Bent Fab and others for sharing their knowledge in this dept. If you are going to do some plumbing and have not read the thread Tubular Tuesday's that Mark started, do so. There is a ton of info in there. https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...hlight=tubular

From thought process to completion, I can say it took me a week to get all of this done. I started with aluminum welding rod to make templates. I then bought 5 sticks of just regular brake line and bent those up before moving onto the stainless lines. Best $25.00 I spent.

Enough talk...Here are pics is the finished product. Very pleased with the results. Now onto the fuel system which will be easy in comparison.

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...108a764eed.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...aad0887d5f.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/IMG_5971.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/IMG_5969.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/IMG_5949.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/IMG_5953.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/IMG_5952.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/IMG_5972.jpg

GregWeld 12-06-2015 01:37 PM

The work done is beautiful !!


The only thing I would "question" is the T placement for the rear brakes. I wonder if this placement wouldn't cause a slight engagement bias to the passenger caliper before fluid is pushed across to the driver side. These t's are normally centered in the car... IDK -- but I'd look into it.


I didn't realize this was being built as a straight line car?? That 4 bar link will bind up like crazy in any corner. I know this from building my brother in laws Pro Street car. It just doesn't like to turn. Rides great! But just don't ask it to lean into any turn.

Ricochet 12-06-2015 02:16 PM

Thanks for props Greg! In regards to the T, I don't think it's an issue. I looked at quite a few different builders and have actually seen some put the T on the driver side by the coilover and then run a line to the pass side. Maybe an optical illusion, but my T is centered. I just double checked the measurements and I'm within 1/8" from the T to each caliper. I know what your saying about the rod ends on the 4 bar also. I bought this frame (I'm embarrassed to say.. Lol!!) 11 years ago, and we know how far technology has evolved since. I'm going to swap the ends for either Johnny joints or have DSE make me some swivel links. Appreciate the input!! I'm always open for suggestions.

GregWeld 12-06-2015 02:24 PM

Yes -- Okay - I see the T now... Sorry!!


The proverbial "spoke too soon"!! LOL

fleet 12-06-2015 04:26 PM

Great progress Brent on your 'well seasoned' aka vintage chassis.

:bump:

jy211 12-07-2015 04:38 AM

Looking good! :thumbsup:

Jay Hilliard 12-07-2015 04:57 AM

Great job Brent! Where did you get the AN brake fittings? I'm always looking for multiple sources.

preston 12-07-2015 07:46 AM

that rear suspension is technically called a 4 bar not a 4 link, and as you can see it is setup already with poly albeit non-articulating bushings. Several companies still sell that setup as "street". I don't think you will have a particular problem with binding in normal street driving. Its not as ideal for cornering as other setups in terms of performance, but I don't think you necessarily need to re-think the setup or bushings, although Jonny joints probably would free it up.

Other than the geometry of the IC and stuff, eg from a binding perspective, how different really is it from the DSE style 4 link that for example Stielow uses, the only difference I know about is they (DSE) use some big compliant rubber bushings that flex just a bit more than these poly bushings.

GregWeld 12-07-2015 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by preston (Post 623891)
that rear suspension is technically called a 4 bar not a 4 link, and as you can see it is setup already with poly albeit non-articulating bushings. Several companies still sell that setup as "street". I don't think you will have a particular problem with binding in normal street driving. Its not as ideal for cornering as other setups in terms of performance, but I don't think you necessarily need to re-think the setup or bushings, although Jonny joints probably would free it up.

Other than the geometry of the IC and stuff, eg from a binding perspective, how different really is it from the DSE style 4 link that for example Stielow uses, the only difference I know about is they (DSE) use some big compliant rubber bushings that flex just a bit more than these poly bushings.




I just don't even know how to respond to these thoughts. Do you really "think" that a 4 bar wouldn't experience bind in corners - and that it's similar to a triangulated 4 bar.... and that DSE sells anything like this.

You do realize that the DSE Quadralink uses a swiveling bar system (on all 4 bars used) in an effort to become non-binding as the car rolls?

preston 12-07-2015 09:01 AM

Of course it experiences bind in the corners.
But thousands of these systems have been built and sold - is it significantly different from the GM angled 4 bar or the Mustang Fox 4 bar ? Those systems depend on bushing and arm flex to handle the bind. One reason the 4 bar with poly bushings is problematic is because it does not allow as much freedom of movement.

I was not aware that the DSE system uses swiveling bushings. Every picture I have seen of the quadra link they look like bigger rubber bushed rod end style or impregnated rubber bushings. I just went over there and looked - I was not aware of their swivel link system. Interesting solution and I stand corrected on that. But I am looking at the 2005 Build Book for the Joe Rogan 1970 Cuda that uses a DSE 4 link that clearly is not using swivel links, for the reasons you stated they have moved on from that.

That doesn't obviate my main point that 4 bar systems with closely spaced links and joints that allow some flex have been used in thousands of street rod,oem, and aftermarket suspensions.

Where people get into trouble is with rod ends at all 4 links, especially with stiff tubular links and especially with true drag racing 4 links with large non-parallel link paths.

Wasn't looking to get into a tiff over it, just reassuring Ricochet its not gonna be a disaster just to turn corners on his street car.

GregWeld 12-07-2015 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preston (Post 623902)
Of course it experiences bind in the corners.
But thousands of these systems have been built and sold - is it significantly different from the GM angled 4 bar or the Mustang Fox 4 bar ? Those systems depend on bushing and arm flex to handle the bind. One reason the 4 bar with poly bushings is problematic is because it does not allow as much freedom of movement.

I was not aware that the DSE system uses swiveling bushings. Every picture I have seen of the quadra link they look like bigger rubber bushed rod end style or impregnated rubber bushings. I just went over there and looked - I was not aware of their swivel link system. Interesting solution and I stand corrected on that. But I am looking at the 2005 Build Book for the Joe Rogan 1970 Cuda that uses a DSE 4 link that clearly is not using swivel links, for the reasons you stated they have moved on from that.

That doesn't obviate my main point that 4 bar systems with closely spaced links and joints that allow some flex have been used in thousands of street rod,oem, and aftermarket suspensions.

Where people get into trouble is with rod ends at all 4 links, especially with stiff tubular links and especially with true drag racing 4 links with large non-parallel link paths.

Wasn't looking to get into a tiff over it, just reassuring Ricochet its not gonna be a disaster just to turn corners on his street car.




Totally agree Preston -- and the car will be just fine to drive. My point was more that this is a "pro touring" website and maybe Brent was looking to join the fun on the AutoX course or Road race course. The suspensions we see today are pretty spectacular compared to what was available 10 years ago....

I really wasn't trying to get him to change it etc -- I was more just surprised to see that type of suspension "here".

Regardless - the build is spectacular!

Ricochet 12-07-2015 02:59 PM

Thanks for input Preston and Greg!! I know the suspension is outdated in comparison to what's out there today. And although I don't plan on tracking this car on a regular basis, I do plan on having some fun with it. As I mentioned, I had already planned on changing out 4 of the ends to Johnny Joints, or have 4 swivel link bars made by DSE to make it better than it is. At the end of the day I just want it to be a nice garage built car the will perform as good as it can, but more than anything be a blast to drive!

Thanks again for the kind words Greg! I can finally see the light!!

Ricochet 12-07-2015 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Hilliard (Post 623885)
Great job Brent! Where did you get the AN brake fittings? I'm always looking for multiple sources.

Jay, I bought all of stuff through Pure Choice Motorsports. They are out of Arizona.

Spiffav8 12-07-2015 03:02 PM

Nice to see it's ready to go. Looking forward to seeing when it comes time for the swap.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Dr G 12-07-2015 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 623833)
The only thing I would "question" is the T placement for the rear brakes. I wonder if this placement wouldn't cause a slight engagement bias to the passenger caliper before fluid is pushed across to the driver side. These t's are normally centered in the car... IDK -- but I'd look into it.

Brake lines transmit pressure, not fluid. The location of the "T" fitting really does not affect anything. Just look at your front brake lines as an example. The distance from the MC to the calipers is never the same from left to right.

Gustave

Ricochet 12-07-2015 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 623927)
Nice to see it's ready to go. Looking forward to seeing when it comes time for the swap.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Agree...that will be a huge milestone for both of us!!!

MtotheIKEo 12-07-2015 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr G (Post 623954)
Brake lines transmit pressure, not fluid. The location of the "T" fitting really does not affect anything. Just look at your front brake lines as an example. The distance from the MC to the calipers is never the same from left to right.

Gustave

That's about as wrong as can be.

ironworks 12-07-2015 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MtotheIKEo (Post 623965)
That's about as wrong as can be.

He is actually correct. Think of it as two lines at say Disneyland. One line might be way longer but when you let 3 people get on to the ride everyone moves 3 steps forward. Doesn't mater how long or short. Same go for the brake pedal once the lines are bleed.

It's just basic hydraulics.

Passenger side brake lines are always way longer on cars due to master cylinder locations of left hand drive cars.

MtotheIKEo 12-08-2015 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 623967)
He is actually correct. Think of it as two lines at say Disneyland. One line might be way longer but when you let 3 people get on to the ride everyone moves 3 steps forward. Doesn't mater how long or short. Same go for the brake pedal once the lines are bleed.

It's just basic hydraulics.

Passenger side brake lines are always way longer on cars due to master cylinder locations of left hand drive cars.

The brake lines would be the little ropes keeping people in line, the fluid is what you are referencing. Pressure is transmitted through fluid. I agree that he won't have an issue with different length hardlines though. Flex/soft lines would be a different issue.

dontlifttoshift 12-08-2015 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MtotheIKEo (Post 624023)
. Flex/soft lines would be a different issue.

Why?

ironworks 12-08-2015 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift (Post 624026)
Why?

The brake lines expand due to pressure. Rubber lines worse then the steel braided lines.

dontlifttoshift 12-08-2015 01:08 PM

Oh. I thought maybe there was something more to it than that.

Sales@Dutchboys 12-16-2015 07:37 AM

Looking good Buddy! Your doing it right. Assembly should be a breeze. look forward to seeing more updates. Let me know if you need anything.

Ricochet 12-16-2015 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DutchBoys (Post 624685)
Looking good Buddy! Your doing it right. Assembly should be a breeze. look forward to seeing more updates. Let me know if you need anything.

Thanks Paul!! I'm still pushing. It will be heading to the paint shop when Curtis' "Victim" is done. I'll be reaching out soon!! Thanks!

Dr G 12-17-2015 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MtotheIKEo (Post 624023)
I agree that he won't have an issue with different length hardlines though. Flex/soft lines would be a different issue.

Sorry to sound argumentative, but again no. Different length flex lines on left vs. right sides of a car will not affect the amount of brake torque at the respective left and right wheels. The pressure everywhere in the system is the same (everywhere in the front system or in the rear system assuming dual bore MC or dual MC).

The only thing that flexible (expandable) lines will do is increase the distance you have to push the brake pedal in order to get to the same brake pressure. This makes the brakes feel mushy and difficult to modulate. But the ultimate force applied to the pedal to yield a certain brake effort will be no different than if all the lines were solid and non-expanding.

jy211 12-18-2015 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricochet (Post 624747)
Thanks Paul!! I'm still pushing. It will be heading to the paint shop when Curtis' "Victim" is done. I'll be reaching out soon!! Thanks!

What color(s) have you decided on?

Ricochet 12-18-2015 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jy211 (Post 624867)
What color(s) have you decided on?

Jeff, I have it narrowed down to 2 different color combos. We'll see what comes out of the gun on paint day!!


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