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waynieZ 03-17-2013 11:19 PM

Nice work Chief it came out great.

Sonar Chief 03-18-2013 06:47 PM

Thanks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 470952)
Nice work Chief it came out great.

:thankyou: I am relieved to have this welded in, I was a little hesitant when it came to welding .... you know, measure a thousand times and weld once!
I was very disappointed with the quality of the side cowls, however AMD parts were a bit closer than the other place ... maybe I am paranoid :_paranoid .

rsgt 03-18-2013 07:13 PM

That looks really good. Keep after it.

Sonar Chief 03-20-2013 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsgt (Post 470971)
That looks really good. Keep after it.

:thankyou: Little at a time and then your are done!:relax:

Sonar Chief 03-20-2013 08:51 PM

Going topless
 
the car that is , now that the cowl is structurally sound it's' time to get that roof off and see what needs attention.

So... off came the roof, the front header had the most rust (POR15 TIME) and the rest is looking like it will make it fine with some epoxy primer. I was worried about the area under the pinch weld for the drip rail and it looks like I can save it:thumbsup: . Couple hours and the DeWalt and she's looking mo better.

http://imageshack.us/a/img577/6538/1303201899.jpg
Critters made a house in here!

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/5/1303201886.jpg
Break out the Blair spot weld cutter!

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/1515/1303201889.jpg
The front header had the most rust!

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/156/1303201892.jpg
Got the lead outa this side.

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/6131/1303201879.jpg
Cleaned up pretty good :D

I still have to get that drip rail part of the roof off ... that will take some delicate grinding, that's all for tonight.

Thanks for looking ....

waynieZ 03-20-2013 10:20 PM

Nice job you'd never know it was rusted.

Sonar Chief 03-21-2013 07:41 AM

Rusted
 
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Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 471398)
Nice job you'd never know it was rusted.

:thankyou: That is exactly right .... but knowing the history of the car and seeing the rust everywhere else I knew the roof had to come off the car.

Gotta do it right .... steady the course :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief 03-22-2013 11:14 PM

Garage time!
 
It's snowing outside and cold but I figured I'd better get something done cuz spring break is over and it's back to school Monday. I got the roof separated from the driver's quarter and then I drilled out the spot welds across the back glass area ... it wasn't as bad as the front :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img33/1337/1303221902.jpg
Got this all ready for epoxy!
http://imageshack.us/a/img692/2419/1303221915.jpg
I'm tried of drilling out spot welds .... just surface rust.
http://imageshack.us/a/img89/808/1303221927.jpg
Cleaned up nice .... wish I could spray epoxy this weekend.

I will work on the other side this weekend and get all ready for some epoxy when the weather permits ... :popcorn2:

Thanks for looking .... it's late, more tomorrow!

makoshark 03-23-2013 12:15 AM

Drilling out all those spot welds can kick your butt. That is one thing I am glad is over with on my build.

Sonar Chief 03-23-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by makoshark (Post 471764)
Drilling out all those spot welds can kick your butt. That is one thing I am glad is over with on my build.

It kicked my butt last night .... but I told myself I was gonna finish this part tonight. So I fired up the heater and kept at it til it was done - it was 2300 when I got inside :thumbsup:

Looks like there is 5 inches of snow outside now and it's still snowing .... oh well. I'll be in the garage here in a short.

Roberts68 03-23-2013 03:01 PM

Chief, are you still using primarily the red or tan scothbrite type roloc discs to remove surface rust?

What sort of RPM are you using in order to not smoke through the discs like no tomorrow?

Great work ethic!

Robert

Sonar Chief 03-23-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Roberts68 (Post 471846)
Chief, are you still using primarily the red or tan scothbrite type roloc discs to remove surface rust?

What sort of RPM are you using in order to not smoke through the discs like no tomorrow?

Great work ethic!

Robert

:thankyou: I am using the fiber discs on my DeWalt to get all the surface rust down to metal, definitely lasts longer than the rolocs.

Just came in for dinner ... the passenger side drip rail/ roof piece is off, what a PITA!
I will post pictures later ... need to get some heat going (8 inches of snow and maybe 28F outside, maybe 50 inside the garage) and get the drivers side done, set goals and stick to them :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief 03-23-2013 08:10 PM

Goal met!
 
got both sides of the roof/ drip rail off took longer than I thought it would. Got the lead outa the passenger quarter roof joint and continued with the drip rails ... overall a good day. Used the DeWalt and the fiber disc to clean everything down to clean metal.

http://imageshack.us/a/img715/7240/1303231930.jpg
Cleaned up the passenger side.
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/1372/1303231934.jpg
Passenger drip rail ... this will not buff out!
http://imageshack.us/a/img18/6537/1303231941.jpg
Driver's side .... uggggg!
http://imageshack.us/a/img541/241/1303231947.jpg
Parting shot .... much better with out rust:D

Thanks for looking ... more to come :thankyou:

waynieZ 03-23-2013 10:59 PM

Awesome job!

Sonar Chief 03-24-2013 07:34 AM

Thanks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 471920)
Awesome job!

:thankyou: :thankyou: The body is coming along nice, just need a roof and quarters :G-Dub: ... before I know it I'll be blocking out primer :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief 03-29-2013 05:17 PM

Just a how to
 
get those little retainers out of the headliner headers? I tried to get these out when I was cleaning up the metal on the interior and they would not come .... now with the roof off I can see how they work.

So I took a flat chisel and just popped it with a rubber mallet and they came out the bottom, kool. I know most people will never get this far with their car but that's how to get them out. Luckily the header part is galvanized and just needs cleaning.

http://imageshack.us/a/img607/956/1303291958.jpg
There are 8 across the front and 6 in the back!
http://imageshack.us/a/img850/5425/1303291961.jpg
You can see how they force the sides out when they get pushed in, kool!

I want to thank all those that have sent their condolences, I passed them onto my family. Seems friends are planning a motorcycle memorial ride for David through the mountains ... he would have liked that, as he's done it for fallen brothers.

I'm just dillydalleying around tonight .... might patch some of those holes I made in the drip rail.

Thanks for looking....
Michael

Al Moreno 03-29-2013 09:50 PM

Great job Micheal, starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel. Keep it up :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief 03-30-2013 05:41 PM

Therapy time!
 
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Originally Posted by Al Moreno (Post 472867)
Great job Micheal, starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel. Keep it up :thumbsup:

Thank you Al ... sometimes the light gets smaller, is that bad? :lol:


Spent some time with the Camaro .... welded up most of the driver's side drip rail channel, that took longer than I thought, might have been easier to shave the drip rails :lol:

I wanted to get ready for some epoxy on the roof and b pillar and then noticed the factory black on the underside of the roof ... well time to make a big mess and get all down to metal so that is what I did today.

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/6971/1303301967.jpg
This was my view for finishing the channel ... shadow grinding?

http://imageshack.us/a/img109/8734/1303301971.jpg
Underside is all done.... :thumbsup: My arms are tired now.

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/7118/1303301976.jpg
This is how she looks now!

I welded up the holes in the front header panel and dressed them up. and every time hit the topside with the disc all I could smell was mouse pee and rust :disgusted:
I plan to spray epoxy as soon as I get the pass side channel touched up ... and the weather is warmer.

Thanks for looking ...

waynieZ 03-31-2013 10:33 PM

It looks great. Stay strong.

tubbed69 04-01-2013 04:27 AM

thats some great detail work that takes alot of patience,keep up the good work,your gone to have a heck of a car

Sonar Chief 04-01-2013 05:09 PM

Thanks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 473191)
It looks great. Stay strong.

Wayne :thankyou: She's getting there, steady the course!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubbed69 (Post 473212)
thats some great detail work that takes alot of patience,keep up the good work,your gone to have a heck of a car

:thankyou: I must have OCD to keep this up, but I started out to do the right thing, not the easy thing .... so that's what keeps me going.

Thanks for looking ... should I get a roll bar in while the roof is off? I'm thinking it would be better to weld and such. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: The roof is on the way ....:D

Sonar Chief 04-07-2013 03:53 PM

Good Camaro Day
 
Got some epoxy sprayed :thumbsup: Finally, seems like my camaro has been naked for some time ... not any more.

Finish with the POR15 on the front header that was rusted and the rest just cleaned up with the fiber disc .... which was really good. Took most of the day to prep and spray two medium coats but it is done and came out good.

I sprayed the firewall, inside both the side cowls, top and bottom of the roof bows, drip rails, package tray and the back seat area of the quarters.

On to some pictures ... mostly one color now :headspin:

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/712/1304072015.jpg
Just too kool :thumbsup:
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/9927/1304072005.jpg
Top bow all better now.
http://imageshack.us/a/img593/985/1304072002.jpg
Drivers side cowl!
http://imageshack.us/a/img571/4430/1304071998.jpg
The rear header was in better shape than the front.
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/9540/1304071990.jpg
Inside shot of cowl :thumbsup:
http://imageshack.us/a/img191/5364/1304071994.jpg
Passenger side cowl all better!

So that is what I did today and now I must study for a Stats 512 test ....

Thanks for looking ...

makoshark 04-07-2013 07:49 PM

Looking better and better every week! I better step up my build or you'll have yours done before I get mine done. Darn job keeps getting in my way:rolleyes:

Sonar Chief 04-08-2013 06:57 AM

Thanks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by makoshark (Post 474251)
Looking better and better every week! I better step up my build or you'll have yours done before I get mine done. Darn job keeps getting in my way:rolleyes:

:thankyou: I still think you are way ahead of my timeline .... I would like to be done with the body work by summers end and working on suspension and subframe,etc.

I went back and looked at page 1 pictures .... what a difference!

makoshark 04-08-2013 08:14 PM

Have you decided on your suspension yet?

Sonar Chief 04-09-2013 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makoshark (Post 474400)
Have you decided on your suspension yet?

I will go Ride Tech all the way ... just buy the whole package deal and I won't' have to worry about things not fitting. Probably won't go triple adjust on the shocks ... just don't see the need for a street car.

If I win the lottery ... there may be changes :relax:

waynieZ 04-09-2013 09:39 PM

It looks real nice. You did a great job.

Sonar Chief 04-10-2013 08:35 AM

Thanks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 474591)
It looks real nice. You did a great job.

:thankyou: :thankyou: it may not be base coat but it sure is a milestone for me .... seeing it in epoxy :thumbsup: My roof is in and will test fit tonight!

How is your hip? Been able to get therapy and work on your car? Best wishes.

Michael

Sonar Chief 04-15-2013 03:57 PM

Roof is here!
 
Got the roof up on top of the car by myself what a PITA, basically pulled it up to the top by sliding it across the cowl (which is lined w/ wool blanket) and then ducking inside the car and kept inching it up to lay down w/o sliding off the car. Man this roof is heavy and there is no handles!

Overall the fit is good the roof looks a little wider and may have to trim (contour) some off the drip rails. Started to work on the front corners get it to lay flat on the bows and in the rails, it would fit into one side, but not both ..... needs work of course.

So I did some slicing and body hammer and it's closer, think I need to get the rails narrower so she lays into the drip rail channel without forcing it.

Anyways ... here are the pictures of the AMD roof skin straight outa the box.


http://imageshack.us/a/img9/4361/1304152025.jpg
Roof is on ... didn't drop it!
http://imageshack.us/a/img809/5746/1304152018.jpg
Drivers side corner ... too wide and wrong angle.
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/719/1304152017.jpg
Passenger side is closer ... but needs so loving :shakehead:
http://imageshack.us/a/img818/656/1304152019.jpg
Drip rail is close but too wide and will need to be trimmed!

Roof skin is real close in the back and the front will require most of my time and effort. Need to get this roof skin spot on before I tackle the quarters ... cuz then I have to lift the roof skin and put the quarters under the lip like the factory did in 67.

Thanks for looking ... more to come.

waynieZ 04-15-2013 05:21 PM

Nice to see you have your top hat on! All the big holes are getting closed up. glad it fits pretty well some need to be sliced above the quarter to make them fit.
Thanks for asking.Feeling pretty good, going to make a small table to put the trans on and get it ready for paint.

Sonar Chief 04-22-2013 07:31 AM

Update 4/22
 
Been under the weather lately, literally .....it snowed for four days and left 18 inches last week and then the sun came out and there is very little snow left. But there is a chance for snow again today, huh ?

Worked on the front corners of the roof a little, couple slices and some hammering. My AMD rep reported that his people are measuring some door skins for me and they will be here this week ....they better fit, cuz I need to reference the door before I take off the quarters.

And I ordered Chassisworks' Mini Tubs w/ closeout panels :thumbsup: they should be here this week also!!!

Thanks

Rhino 04-22-2013 08:21 AM

The roof skin on my '68 was exactly the same. I ended up having to trim both drip rails. The rear window corners were a major PITA. Ultimately I ended up cutting the window channel corners free from the roof, reshaping it, and adding in a pie shaped wedge to fill in the gaps vacated when I pulled the corners in.

It also seemed a little "short" from front to back. I ended up welding a few 3/4 washers to the window channel in front and back, then used ratchet straps to stretch everything into place. It worked fantastic to pull everything into place, and as an added bonus put a good bit of tension on the metal preventing much of the oilcanning I've noticed on some replaced roof skins.

tubbed69 04-22-2013 09:11 AM

just got my AMD roof on and it also needed alot of attention,your doing a great job with this car,greta detail work

tubbed69 04-22-2013 09:17 AM

also covered inside with Fatmat before final install,really made it solid and easier now than laterhttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7617dfb6.jpg

Sonar Chief 04-22-2013 05:26 PM

Thanks
 
for the heads up, appreciate the info!

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Originally Posted by Rhino (Post 476416)
The roof skin on my '68 was exactly the same. I ended up having to trim both drip rails. The rear window corners were a major PITA. Ultimately I ended up cutting the window channel corners free from the roof, reshaping it, and adding in a pie shaped wedge to fill in the gaps vacated when I pulled the corners in.

It also seemed a little "short" from front to back. I ended up welding a few 3/4 washers to the window channel in front and back, then used ratchet straps to stretch everything into place. It worked fantastic to pull everything into place, and as an added bonus put a good bit of tension on the metal preventing much of the oilcanning I've noticed on some replaced roof skins.

Rhino ... seems I have the length ok. Hey, did you use the factory trim around the front and back? Did you fit the radius on the corners to see if the roof would match up? Been thinking of digging mine out and doing just that ... before I weld. I may have to cut out corners to get it to lay flat also ... we'll see, thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubbed69 (Post 476424)
just got my AMD roof on and it also needed alot of attention,your doing a great job with this car,greta detail work

Thanks ... this roof will require some thought, multiple angles of the dangles and radius to match the window dressing.
Your car is coming out fantastic ... seems like it is moving along very fast. LOOKING NICE!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubbed69 (Post 476425)
also covered inside with Fatmat before final install,really made it solid and easier now than laterhttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7617dfb6.jpg

I am going to order Spectrum 2nd skin here real quick so I can get the inside of the quarters and the underside of the roof as well ... that Fatman looks good too. ANYTHING is better than a bare roof :thumbsup:

OH YEAH, IT'S SNOWING AGAIN!!!!!

Rhino 04-22-2013 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonar Chief (Post 476493)
Rhino ... seems I have the length ok. Hey, did you use the factory trim around the front and back? Did you fit the radius on the corners to see if the roof would match up? Been thinking of digging mine out and doing just that ... before I weld. I may have to cut out corners to get it to lay flat also ... we'll see, thanks.

Very good point, and something I had driven far from my memory :)
I did buy my trim ahead of time and test fitted the contour of it to the roof skin. I'm really particular to how the window trim fits and was appalled by the gaps right out of the box.
Seeing how poorly the two fit prior to any modification is what drove me to rebuilding the corners.

tubbed69 04-22-2013 07:59 PM

The drivers side rear chrome fit real well on mine but the right rear was way off and had to do some work to front corners also.

makoshark 04-23-2013 08:14 AM

I highly suggest everyone read this site. It is completely unnecessary to cover an entire panel in sound deadener...

http://sounddeadenershowdown.com/how...-tile%E2%84%A2

I'm a car audio nut from way back and all these builds where everyone covers every square inch of a panel is only adding more weight to the vehicle and spending more money than needed.

Sonar Chief 04-23-2013 08:41 AM

Thanks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhino (Post 476496)
Very good point, and something I had driven far from my memory :)
I did buy my trim ahead of time and test fitted the contour of it to the roof skin. I'm really particular to how the window trim fits and was appalled by the gaps right out of the box.
Seeing how poorly the two fit prior to any modification is what drove me to rebuilding the corners.

I will have to find my trim pieces fer sure ... hopefully the rear and front are different, cuz I can't remember which is which.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubbed69 (Post 476520)
The drivers side rear chrome fit real well on mine but the right rear was way off and had to do some work to front corners also.

Thanks seems like I have my work cut out for me ... oh well, nothing new!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by makoshark (Post 476590)
I highly suggest everyone read this site. It is completely unnecessary to cover an entire panel in sound deadener...

http://sounddeadenershowdown.com/how...-tile%E2%84%A2

I'm a car audio nut from way back and all these builds where everyone covers every square inch of a panel is only adding more weight to the vehicle and spending more money than needed.

Jeremy ... I've read something similar to this website before, and I read this one also. I like his use of tiles to cover 25% and then the mass loaded vinyl, I planned to use Spectrum on the inside quarters and the sail panel cuz it sprays to cover. I will spray the roof just cuz it's not installed yet.

Thanks for the link .... everyone should read this info in this link!

makoshark 04-23-2013 11:34 AM

I'm not real familiar with the products like Lizard Skin. Those types of products are relatively new to the market. I haven't messed around with car audio very much since the early 2000's, so haven't kept up with the market.

One thing we have to remember is we are not building a Mercedes. There's a lot of great builds on this site as well as others. I think we are getting to a point where we are trying to refine our cars to meet the standards of such brands as Mercedes, BMW, etc.. To each his own though. For me, I like to add some refinements to our old steel, but still keep the car true to its roots.

With that said, I do plan to use UPol Raptor liner underneath my car and in the trunk area. I also plan to use Dynamat Xtreme along with a CCF. I'm keeping the jute padding on my carpet and not utilizing anything like MLV. That stuff is extremely heavy. If I were building a stereo system on wheels, then I'd go all out. However, its not really necessary for my build as well as many others.


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