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Ron in SoCal 03-24-2014 07:34 PM

Love those spindles Ron. What are your plans for steering arms?

FETorino 03-24-2014 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 543143)
You know Dave, couldn't get the geometry to work out, needed the drop spindle. Its just a bonus that its all shiny, and you know I couldn't have the shiny diff cover, and not balance it out in the front. Still gives me a bit of a chubby.LOL

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...%20cover-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01029-L.jpg

Those are the kind of billet shiny parts worth buying. That's part of what makes you the "Good Ron":trophy-1302:

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 542887)



The driveshaft in this car is at kidney height so I always planned on running a driveshaft hoop, just not one this beefy. This car is starting to remind me a little of that Animal House line "Overweight and underpower is no way to go through life" Its close anyway.



Just buy a nice Carbon Fiber drive shaft and you can eliminate a lot of the fear of it coming through the tunnel along with some weight.:D

I really appreciate all the effort you are going through to ensure somebody's car is heavier than mine.:lmao:

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Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 543185)
Hey I'm an enabler, that's all. I enabled Ron to have the rear end of his dreams (that sounds weird) and I enabled you and the tall guy with the big car (that I really like) to find a brewery or two. That's it. Just trying to help a guy out :thumbsup:

You're a giver:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Sieg 03-24-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 543226)
I really appreciate all the effort you are going through to ensure somebody's car is heavier than mine.:lmao:

Appears he pretty good competition! If it's based on pounds per inch of wheelbase I don't think Ron has a chance. :D

byndbad914 03-24-2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 543163)
Still amazes me how small the 335 18's look compared to the 335 19's. Still going to be a challenge to get the fenders to clear at full compression/full lock, but it is at least doable.

When you suggested you were going to put 19s on the front I figured that was going to be a bit much but was interested to see how you solved it. IMO the 18s will visually fit the car much better as well - old cars seem to be about maxed at 18s in that 295+ width as the tire diam is right around 25-25.5" typically which is inline an old-school 50 series 15" tire.

I pulled the 20" off of the rear of my Vette to see how it would fit in the Nova and it literally just would not fit without serious reworking of the inner fenders and rear seat area :weld: and it really looked out of place in the wheel opening. The 18s with 335s fit quite nice on the Nova while they look a little small on the Vette as GM made the fenderwells visually match the large, 26.7" diam tire it comes with.

You mention clearing large rotors in previous posts and John is very cool and he can get you an 18" that will clear huge rotors - it was either his wheels or Forgeline and I just like the looks of the 3pc Forges or I would have definitely gone with CCWs again. My Z06 has 15.4" rotors and while it is a squeeze, they fit :) The Nova is 15" rotors and that little bit of difference is more than plenty and makes installs easier.

Those LG spindles are bad a$$ - I was looking at them as well but got lucky and was able to package factory spindles at the ride height I wanted. I hear you tho' about making the geometry all work out - total PITA packaging the front end with everything that has to fit there.

Very cool project - enjoy seeing the progress.

57hemicuda 03-25-2014 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 543222)
Love those spindles Ron. What are your plans for steering arms?


I kind of reengineered the front clip moving the rack back where GM put it on the C6, so I don't need to cut the arms off. It uses the factory arms, and now more or less the C6 geometry. Would have made me cry to cut those new billet knuckles almost as much as I did when I cut my new glass hood.

57hemicuda 03-25-2014 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 543226)
I really appreciate all the effort you are going through to ensure somebody's car is heavier than mine.:lmao:

Simmer down now, this is a pony car not a Clydesdale. LOL. Other then the main back bone and X, the whole chassis is chromoly, a really, really lot of chromoly. Scaled it once, my tears kept me from reading the scale properly. Xperimental I keep saying, I guess we'll see. :)

Beach Cruiser 03-25-2014 11:04 AM

Mine weighed in at 3130 with gas and me on the scales at VIR this weekend :)

57hemicuda 03-25-2014 11:07 AM

Just scored this dry sump off the Vette forum, looks like it will fit my chassis with no modifications. Need to scrounge a tank, and some lines. The good part is, I ended up with a dry sumped, forged LS3 for less then $3500, the bad part is my car budget is cleaned out.LOL

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...y%20sump-L.jpg

57hemicuda 03-25-2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach Cruiser (Post 543296)
Mine weighed in at 3130 with gas and me on the scales at VIR this weekend :)

That great Mills, 2900ish for a race trimmed Camaro is perfect in my opinion. I wanted to be weight conscious with this car, but like always I get out of hand.

bonecrrusher 03-25-2014 12:06 PM

http://chrisblattman.com/files/2011/...utton_big1.jpg

1coolC2 03-27-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 543297)
Just scored this dry sump off the Vette forum, looks like it will fit my chassis with no modifications. Need to scrounge a tank, and some lines. The good part is, I ended up with a dry sumped, forged LS3 for less then $3500, the bad part is my car budget is cleaned out.LOL

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...y%20sump-L.jpg

Ron,

Great score on the dry sump set-up!! I know what you mean about the budget being cleaned out, my crappy Nova spit shined my wallet LOL Should be in color tomorrow, at least it will be nicer looking :G-Dub:

R/
Jeff

57hemicuda 03-27-2014 05:11 PM

I expect to see some pictures on my/your, well our build thread. LOL

Flash68 03-27-2014 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 543297)
Just scored this dry sump off the Vette forum, looks like it will fit my chassis with no modifications. Need to scrounge a tank, and some lines. The good part is, I ended up with a dry sumped, forged LS3 for less then $3500, the bad part is my car budget is cleaned out.LOL

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...y%20sump-L.jpg

Nice stuff there Ron. I am sure it will just "bolt on" like everything else on your car. :lol:

57hemicuda 03-27-2014 05:37 PM

That is really why I bought this set up, but it will probably kick me in the nuts like everything else.

57hemicuda 03-29-2014 02:10 PM

Got the one fender roughed in with the 18" loaner wheel, and drop spindle. I'll bet I made a minimum of 20 different revisions to get the flares this small, and they're still humungus. This is absolutely as petite a flare as you are going to get when running a 335 on the front and still have 2.5" of up travel at full lock. You have about a credit card thickness between the tire and the flare at full lock. The sucky part is tomorrow I have to do the other side.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01032-L.jpg

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GregWeld 03-29-2014 07:31 PM

If it was easy the fat chicks could do it!


LOL



Looks great!

FETorino 03-29-2014 09:28 PM

That look great Ron. It will look even better in carbon Fiber.:D

57hemicuda 03-30-2014 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 544139)
That look great Ron. It will look even better in carbon Fiber.:D


I know what I'm going to pay to have the molds made and a couple sets of fenders and bumpers laid up. I can't even imagine what it would cost to have that stuff done in C/F. Would be cool though. :G-Dub:

57hemicuda 03-30-2014 05:53 AM

Because we are running the same subframe more or less, thought Dave might want to see how I tied the down bars to the suspension mounts, and cage, so I took a couple of pics. Just past where the firewall will be I put a Y in the down bars, sending one side to the A pillar bar, and the other to the dash bar, and trans tunnel bar. I also tied a bunch of gussets to the UCA mounts, I'll probably go back and drill some holes in the gussets later to make them more pleasing to the eye. Really didn't want to but ended up mounting the hood hinges to the down bars also.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01037-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01038-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01039-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01040-L.jpg

Beach Cruiser 03-30-2014 07:01 AM

Looks good Ron!

67zo6Camaro 03-31-2014 10:05 AM

GRon, the fender fabrication looks great. Progressing nicely.

preston 03-31-2014 12:27 PM

Yeah that's some real metal shaping there, taking a somewhat bulbous design and making it even more bulbous. Good work.

Vince@Meanstreets 03-31-2014 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 544157)
Because we are running the same subframe more or less, thought Dave might want to see how I tied the down bars to the suspension mounts, and cage, so I took a couple of pics. Just past where the firewall will be I put a Y in the down bars, sending one side to the A pillar bar, and the other to the dash bar, and trans tunnel bar. I also tied a bunch of gussets to the UCA mounts, I'll probably go back and drill some holes in the gussets later to make them more pleasing to the eye. Really didn't want to but ended up mounting the hood hinges to the down bars also.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01037-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01038-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01039-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01040-L.jpg

thats nice, double down bars is great.

57hemicuda 03-31-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by preston (Post 544386)
Yeah that's some real metal shaping there, taking a somewhat bulbous design and making it even more bulbous. Good work.

That made laugh out loud Preston, bulbous is a good word for it. It needs more cowbell.

Thought this car would be way narrower then my Mustang, but I'm wanting a full 5" of travel at lock with no rubbing, its stupid wide.:waveflag:

57hemicuda 03-31-2014 06:10 PM

Got fender bottom roughed in after I got off work. Payton called me today, and was saying he thought the fenders were ending up looking like a C3 Corvette. I now see it.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01045-L.jpg

65_LS1_T56 03-31-2014 06:39 PM

Looks killer Ron.

If you keep working on it, maybe you can get it to look like a C2 then you won't have to buy one of those too :action-smiley-027:

Flash68 03-31-2014 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 544157)
Because we are running the same subframe more or less, thought Dave might want to see how I tied the down bars to the suspension mounts, and cage, so I took a couple of pics. Just past where the firewall will be I put a Y in the down bars, sending one side to the A pillar bar, and the other to the dash bar, and trans tunnel bar. I also tied a bunch of gussets to the UCA mounts, I'll probably go back and drill some holes in the gussets later to make them more pleasing to the eye. Really didn't want to but ended up mounting the hood hinges to the down bars also.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01037-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01038-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01039-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01040-L.jpg

Looks strong as an ox, G-Ron. Thanks for posting.

GregWeld 04-01-2014 06:54 AM

Colin Chapman would not like it....



:>)



But I do!

57hemicuda 04-01-2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 544519)
Colin Chapman would not like it....



:>)



But I do!

Thanks for making feel stupid and have to Google someone, ya Jerk. LOL

In the future, if your going to reference someone it needs to be someone at my maturity level. Like Fred Flintstone, or Sponge Bob Squarepants.

GregWeld 04-01-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 544577)
Thanks for making feel stupid and have to Google someone, ya Jerk. LOL

In the future, if your going to reference someone it needs to be someone at my maturity level. Like Fred Flintstone, or Sponge Bob Squarepants.

Colin chapman was known to weld lightening holes together to make a car. Always subtracted weight.... To the point where his stuff was becoming dangerous.

1coolC2 04-02-2014 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 544437)
Looks killer Ron.

If you keep working on it, maybe you can get it to look like a C2 then you won't have to buy one of those too :action-smiley-027:

LMAO!!!

Ron, I'll sent you some C2 front parking lamps to graft in :weld: It's looking pretty good dude!! Looks like I will be picking up the Thug Nova on Saturday, kinda excited about it :ups:

R/
Jeff

57hemicuda 04-11-2014 03:47 PM

Revision 24, this is it, sides are not getting changed again.335's clear at full lock/full compression. I'll copy it on the other side tomorrow, push it outside and take a couple pics on the ground. As long as I don't sober up and hate it, this is pretty much it. Finish the tops, and start smearing mud.


http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01046-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01048-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01049-L.jpg

Sieg 04-11-2014 03:55 PM

Well done Sir :thumbsup:

GregWeld 04-11-2014 04:21 PM

is it done yet??

jarhead 04-11-2014 07:06 PM

nice work

Flash68 04-11-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 546424)
As long as I don't sober up

Please do us all a favor and don't sober up. :happy23:

Looks great Ron... now stick a fork in her. :)

Track Junky 04-11-2014 10:06 PM

I hate to say it Ron but in the pics it looks like you may have to do something with the rear quarters just to tie the whole package together.

EDIT: Not to take anything away from the front fender.......That looks like it came out pretty good.

57hemicuda 04-12-2014 03:35 AM

The rear gets a complete do over also G., not near enough cow bell. Really shouldn't be that bad, the parts are loose. Just a matter of getting a lot more bulge, and repositioning the flare. Was thinking of making molds of the quarter panels also, then I could easily make as many goofy looking AMX's as I wanted. Never before in my life have I been chomping at the bit to start smearing body putty.

GrabberGT 04-12-2014 07:07 AM

I dont think I've ever heard anyone say "you know those humps on my Javelin really just dont have enough... HUMP to them..." LOL... They look awesome but does anyone else feel like we've reached that point in the movie where all hope is lost our hero is backed into a corner and there is no hope for getting out? Its that sense of impending doom. How in the H-E-double-hockey-sticks are you going to get the rear qtr's to match the front. :confused59:

ANyway... carry on. Im enjoying the show and cant wait to see whats next. Somebody get me some popcorn. :tv_happy:

57hemicuda 04-23-2014 05:35 PM

Got all of the welding done on the fenders, except the top panel. I'll fabricate the fender top tomorrow, weld it in Friday, and yehaa start making dust this weekend.

Was thinking about fabbing a pin style spindle for a C6 upright. Ordered a Nascar Grand National front spindle just to see its size and shape. Had no idea how big it was compared it to a Wilwood pro spindle. It seems like a packaging nightmare, but I think it is doable.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01060-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01067-L.jpg

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