CT is now blindly pushing ahead.

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/politic...s#.UQBT8yex-n8

While I deep down believe we must do more to prevent these things from happening (I am unsure what that is) this type legislation does no good.

Did I read that right... a 50% tax on ammunition? Wow.

It gets better...... I'm okay with background checks but thats about it.

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/...ol-4214986.php

The group wants:
all rifles that fit the definition of assault weapons to be surrendered to police, removed from the state or destroyed.
a ban on ammunition magazines that hold more than seven bullets.
permits and background checks prior to all gun sales in the state, not just pistol sales.
a limit on handgun sales of one per month.

I dont watch fox news nor do i listen to rush limbaugh, all surveys hould be taken with a grain of salt,doesnt matter what your position is on a subject.

My poll? :)

Jeff said that all the polls with which he was familiar (he cited USA, Fox News, and online polls) didn't support additional gun control legislation, and wondered what he was missing (just paraphrasing). Where, he wondered, did this notion come from that Americans wanted more gun control?

My post attempted to point out that CNN (and others if anybody really wants to look) had some recent polling data that showed a majority of Americans do indeed want some form of gun control legislation.

I make no claims other than that.

I have to laugh and shake my head in disbelief at the number of people who bite on the media's B.S. They do nothing but stir emotion and play on the results. Anyone who thinks the media is presenting anything in it's full truth and then forming an opinion based on that info is a moron.

People need to do their own research, educate on facts and make informed decisions. Seriously....read a book.

814 people were polled....A majority of Americans ? Last time I checked we had 300 million plus... So no, a majority of Americans have not been polled...

Your poll because you posted it. :lol: I think there's a majority that wouldn't object to background checks on all sales, private or dealer. So in that case, a majority probably would want some revisions. But I've never seen a large poll showing the majority of Americans want gun restrictions or banning, except for criminals.

I don't think any media outlet can be fully trusted.

How do we really figure out if we are being duped by media, Washington, NRA, etc.... I know what feels right in mind. I've read and agree with alot of the opinions expressed here. I am not completely closed off to opposing views, but I know what the world out there is like. It is not warm and fuzzy. You cannot restrict and put more laws on the lawful and expect to stop the unlawful.

Jeff-

Jeff...I want to hang out with you. :lol:

I'll buy the beverages :thumbsup:

Jody, that's my guess too: that a more universal background check for gun sales is instituted, along with better cooperation from the states.

I hope we end up with an ATF that has a commissioner and renewed vigor to pursue criminal gun sales and the like.

I'll spring for the snacks! :thumbsup:

Jeff-

I got dibs on the brass. :hello:

books take too long....editing, rewrite and then publish. I think some need to just plain go outside and get cultured. :confused59:

Lanza didn't buy any guns. He stole them.

In he midst of all this gun control hysteria, people are proposing laws that would not have even prevented this tragedy.

I wasn't proposing any laws; I was suggesting we give our main agency charged with investigating criminal gun behavior more tools to do their job.

Isn't the main argument many make that making new laws won't affect criminal behavior? Why wouldn't we welcome better crime-fighting efforts targeted at criminals with illegal guns?

As far as Lanza goes, his killing spree brought a spotlight on gun law enforcement, and our country has been found wanting: there are millions of guns obtained from illegal activity and in criminal hands. Let's enforce our existing laws, and give the ATF what it needs.

I agree. That's why the latest reduced capacity magazine laws make no sense. They do not affect criminals, they only handicap legal owners using a gun in self-defense.

And then there's the argument of why you need 30 rounds to "defend" yourself... spoken by folks who've never seen a young entrepenuer with three 9mm slugs in him, run a half mile to his auntie's house and hide in the closet. "Yeah, dispatch... his belly hurts 'cause it's got these three new orifices oozing blood..."



Jeff-

What more is the ATF supposed to do? How could they have stopped Lanza? After reading reports of Fast and Furious, it sounds like they have plenty of 'tools'.

All I'm hearing from central planners and their proponents are unrelated, reactionary solutions in search of a problem, that have no effect whatsoever on criminals, but law abiding citizens. And certainly have little to nothing to do with the Newton tragedy.

How many "rounds" in a pack of cigarettes? but big tobacco doesn't target children or isn't involved in law making...:rolleyes:

How many "rounds" in a 12 pack? but there aren't any kids dying from DUIs or anyone from capitol hill blowing hot on a breathalyzer... :rolleyes:

If we could just save one child... we would gladly throw away the whole constitution....



Jeff-

LMAO!!! THAT IS AWESOME!!!!:lmao:

^^^^^^^ totally agree!!


Wild Bill for President!!:D

Just got home from a concealed weapons permit class for UT, longtime friend was the instructor and 28 vet of local law enforcement. He is also the PIO (Public Information Officer) so he is the front line with the media.

His father was an HK dealer selling to law enforcement agencies on the west coast and still is a Class III dealer operating a indoor range and gun store.

He made a very interesting point in the class regarding the assault weapons and magazine capacity issues: "Roughly 80% of the 1000 firearms felonies committed each day in the US are committed by felons in possession of firearms. MAKE the crime punishable by life imprisonment and in two years you will have removed a substantial number of illegal weapons and criminals from society. Why go after a weapon category that is responsible for 1% of the felonies committed in the US.
Word travels fast in the underground and gang banger world and they'll learn to use alternative weapons to firearms putting them at a disadvantage to the law abiding armed citizen."

problem is the revolving door justice system here. Jails are full and people are getting tired of housing them. Much like the 3 strikes punishment, it makes the felons much more dangerous.
Congrats on the class. It puts a different perspective on owning doesn't it?

Even if you are not in CA its worth the look and support the cause. http://calguns.net/

x10 on Wild Bill... that is a great clip. :lol:

That's the thing with criminals, deterrents really don't work. A thief doesn't rob a bank thinking he's going to get caught.

Again, all of the talk is about "keeping guns out of the hands of criminals". Was Adam Lanza a felon? Did he have a criminal history?

Mixed in all the hysteria we have shifted off course. The politicians and media have moved the goal posts. The FBI's own stats show us that violent gun is down 49% in 20 years, and that more people kill with hammers and other objects than guns.

The real issue is that in all these mass shootings, the kids were on psychotropic prescription drugs.

Of course Fienstein wont mention that. She'll just put on some theatrical display of fear and emotion. Not to mention, her saying that the cross lobby is stronger than the gun lobby? Classic divide and conquer. What a witch.

Sorry if already posted. I haven't kept up with the thread entirely and I haven't checked the accuracy of the claim.

From the World Health Organization:

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens

Honduras 91.6

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

The United States = 4.2

ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans

In God We Trust!

Well, step it up to the death penalty until the over-crowding is neutralized. :unibrow:

Regarding the CHL I've had one in Oregon since '84, I did this mainly as a social networking event and even though there's overlap in states honoring the permit, holding OR & UT permits I have carry rights in the majority of states. Here's the data: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

I suppose it is something that the US murder rate is better than nearly all of the 3rd world countries on Earth. I wonder if you'd mind publishing the rest of the list?

This question reminded me....

How's the worlds fastest... best cornering... drag car build coming along??

In a down economy, this is impressive.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011...1/crime_052311

Britain has one of the highest violent crimes rates - higher than the US and South Africa, along with a total gun ban.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

France is more violent than the US. LMAO
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents,

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...77_468x636.jpg

Tell me how we need more gun control again????

The project is dead.

Frank and I have completed our divorce on that, and have reached an amicable settlement. You'd need to ask Frank for any further information.

that's too bad John. I wondered how it was going with the other issues.

Thanks Jody. I'm glad to have it settled, and I'm moving on, mostly working to build the joint venture John Ulaszek and I are working on -- Fuel Vents, FabBosses, and more.

wait, are you saying the resposibility is with the prescription drug lobby? Next to oil that is a strong opponent.

No, the responsibility falls on the parents and other professionals to be educated about those products.

The irony of a "drug free school zone" is that alot of these teachers and kids are on Ritalin, Prozac, Zoloft, etc. Not judging anyone who takes that stuff, but there are risks associated, especially with children and young adults.

Bummer to read that. That was a very interesting project.

I hadn't been keeping up with the drama, but I figured there was some with all the other issues he was having. I hate to hear that JP cause I was looking forward to seeing that car perform.