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chichirone 11-26-2015 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 622017)
Since Steve and I run in the same local events, I can back up what he is saying. We don't get local SCCA events, but our local group is very active at the regionals and nationals. Typically, we arrive by 8:00, are there until 4:00, and get 4-5 runs (I've never had more than 5). There are 3 run groups, with about 40-50 cars in each. We work one shift, have one off, and run the 3rd. I think every one I have attended had me running the first group (which sucks, as the track is generally dirty), and working the third, meaning I'm there all day. And it costs $35 - 45 depending on the track.

By comparison, I had 15 or 16 runs at the last GG event (Friday/Saturday, I didn't drive on Sunday when I could have gotten even more), and I missed one session while I was repairing the car. I don't have to work the course, I get to socialize with more like-minded people (ie: vintage cars), and I have the whole GG show to wander around if I want (time permitting). Oh, and I pay $45 for the 3 days.

It sounds like our local events are somewhat opposite experiences...

I don't enjoy going to our local auto-x events, but I need seat time if I want to improve. I really enjoy the GG events, but I've only ever attended the ones in Fort Worth. I wish we had more that we could get to easily, but no other one is less than a full day's drive that I am aware of.

Back to the subject of OUSCI. I've spent the last week putting serious thought into whether I could attend multiple events next year. COTA would be local, but I have a conflict that weekend that I may have to miss COTA for. I can't believe I could even think that, but it's true. NOLA is close enough that I would probably find a way to get there. The next 3 I have looked at are 18+ hour drives for me. That's 2 days of driving each way, 2 days there, meals, hotels, gas, entry fees. Oh, and I need a vehicle to tow with and a trailer. :) It would take a big commitment in time and cash to make those...

I'm not knocking the events at all, I'm just not fortunate enough to live in a place where I can get to many. I don't think the $500 is unreasonable for the event, given the multiple aspects which take place (road course, speed stop, auto-x). I believe we had 5 20-25m sessions on the road course which is more than I generally get at local events. I had 12 or 13 auto-x laps, which again is more than I typically get (and I didn't have to work the course!), and I had 10 or 11 speed stop laps. I think that's pretty decent.

I 100% agree with you Bryan. The GG's event at TMS rocks. We got a bunch of runs, like minded car guys, and a ton of camaraderie, regardless of how we all finished. The USCA event at Texas Motor Speedway was the same. Us hacks had a great time burning gas, tearing up tires, were able to get loads of track time, and had fun BS'ing in the garage/after hours.

The SCCA events are long days with little seat time in North Texas. Maybe different in other parts of the country. The most runs I got in 2-3 years of attending events was 5 runs for an 8-9 hour day. The opportunity cost of my time just did not compute. Plus I am ADD, so the lack of activity bored me to hell. Not my cup of tea.

This is exactly why a group of us (me, Dusold, Chris, Gary, North Texas Camaro Club, Greg, Bryan, and others) decided to partner with a local auto-x event coordinator, Equipe Rapide, and put on our "own" events to emulate a mini-USCA event. We had 25-30 cars (approx 20 of them GTV cars) and charged $75 to $90 for participants to get 20 auto-x runs, a bbq lunch, course workers, and some fun awards. We had some support from a couple sponsors but overall it cost roughly $2,500-$3,000 for Equipe Rapide, parking lot rental, insurance and course workers. We made NO money off these events. We had a TON of fun tho. We were able to have passengers. Introduce others to auto-x. We had families come out and Dad ran his 1st gen Camaro, their daughter/son-in-law ran their 5th gen Camaro and they everyone enjoyed a day of camaraderie. Exactly what the regional USCA events emphasize and we were able to re-create.

For 2015 we investigated a speed stop, auto-x, and road rally/poker run. Had I not moved to Ohio, we would have had 4 events in North Texas with auto-x and speed stop at Lone Star Park. Target was 40 cars...probably would have had minimum 40 runs between both elements in one day. Again, the intent was to emulate the USCA events and bring more guys and gals out to enjoy driving their cars.

I guess what I am saying is any "series" can be enjoyed, especially one like the USCA events. If you really want to have it your way though, go create it yourself. Instead of crapping all over the rules or pointing out what's wrong, be the impetus for change and coordinate an event you believe how it should be and do it yourself. I believe Tim is doing it by investing his money at VIR and it works for him. Steve is taking a different approach which is intriguing as well by investing in a prepped NASA car. Me, I'll have my TA at the GG's event in Columbus in 2016. Some of you guys will go to SCCA or attend one or more OUSCI events. To each their own. No matter what, all these ideas are a lot of fun if you are a car guy. Main issue is you just have to show up.

GregWeld 11-26-2015 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chichirone (Post 622786)
I 100% agree with you Bryan. The GG's event at TMS rocks. We got a bunch of runs, like minded car guys, and a ton of camaraderie, regardless of how we all finished. The USCA event at Texas Motor Speedway was the same. Us hacks had a great time burning gas, tearing up tires, were able to get loads of track time, and had fun BS'ing in the garage/after hours.

The SCCA events are long days with little seat time in North Texas. Maybe different in other parts of the country. The most runs I got in 2-3 years of attending events was 5 runs for an 8-9 hour day. The opportunity cost of my time just did not compute. Plus I am ADD, so the lack of activity bored me to hell. Not my cup of tea.

This is exactly why a group of us (me, Dusold, Chris, Gary, North Texas Camaro Club, Greg, Bryan, and others) decided to partner with a local auto-x event coordinator, Equipe Rapide, and put on our "own" events to emulate a mini-USCA event. We had 25-30 cars (approx 20 of them GTV cars) and charged $75 to $90 for participants to get 20 auto-x runs, a bbq lunch, course workers, and some fun awards. We had some support from a couple sponsors but overall it cost roughly $2,500-$3,000 for Equipe Rapide, parking lot rental, insurance and course workers. We made NO money off these events. We had a TON of fun tho. We were able to have passengers. Introduce others to auto-x. We had families come out and Dad ran his 1st gen Camaro, their daughter/son-in-law ran their 5th gen Camaro and they everyone enjoyed a day of camaraderie. Exactly what the regional USCA events emphasize and we were able to re-create.

For 2015 we investigated a speed stop, auto-x, and road rally/poker run. Had I not moved to Ohio, we would have had 4 events in North Texas with auto-x and speed stop at Lone Star Park. Target was 40 cars...probably would have had minimum 40 runs between both elements in one day. Again, the intent was to emulate the USCA events and bring more guys and gals out to enjoy driving their cars.

I guess what I am saying is any "series" can be enjoyed, especially one like the USCA events. If you really want to have it your way though, go create it yourself. Instead of crapping all over the rules or pointing out what's wrong, be the impetus for change and coordinate an event you believe how it should be and do it yourself. I believe Tim is doing it by investing his money at VIR and it works for him. Steve is taking a different approach which is intriguing as well by investing in a prepped NASA car. Me, I'll have my TA at the GG's event in Columbus in 2016. Some of you guys will go to SCCA or attend one or more OUSCI events. To each their own. No matter what, all these ideas are a lot of fun if you are a car guy. Main issue is you just have to show up.





I just drove the rig 2 1/2 days (so that'll be a 5 day round trip drive) just to drive Laguna Seca for ONE day.... "Just show up" sums it up perfectly. None of these events should struggle to get "us" to show up.

Gscherer78ta 11-26-2015 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chichirone (Post 622786)
I 100% agree with you Bryan. The GG's event at TMS rocks. We got a bunch of runs, like minded car guys, and a ton of camaraderie, regardless of how we all finished. The USCA event at Texas Motor Speedway was the same. Us hacks had a great time burning gas, tearing up tires, were able to get loads of track time, and had fun BS'ing in the garage/after hours.

The SCCA events are long days with little seat time in North Texas. Maybe different in other parts of the country. The most runs I got in 2-3 years of attending events was 5 runs for an 8-9 hour day. The opportunity cost of my time just did not compute. Plus I am ADD, so the lack of activity bored me to hell. Not my cup of tea.

This is exactly why a group of us (me, Dusold, Chris, Gary, North Texas Camaro Club, Greg, Bryan, and others) decided to partner with a local auto-x event coordinator, Equipe Rapide, and put on our "own" events to emulate a mini-USCA event. We had 25-30 cars (approx 20 of them GTV cars) and charged $75 to $90 for participants to get 20 auto-x runs, a bbq lunch, course workers, and some fun awards. We had some support from a couple sponsors but overall it cost roughly $2,500-$3,000 for Equipe Rapide, parking lot rental, insurance and course workers. We made NO money off these events. We had a TON of fun tho. We were able to have passengers. Introduce others to auto-x. We had families come out and Dad ran his 1st gen Camaro, their daughter/son-in-law ran their 5th gen Camaro and they everyone enjoyed a day of camaraderie. Exactly what the regional USCA events emphasize and we were able to re-create.

For 2015 we investigated a speed stop, auto-x, and road rally/poker run. Had I not moved to Ohio, we would have had 4 events in North Texas with auto-x and speed stop at Lone Star Park. Target was 40 cars...probably would have had minimum 40 runs between both elements in one day. Again, the intent was to emulate the USCA events and bring more guys and gals out to enjoy driving their cars.

I guess what I am saying is any "series" can be enjoyed, especially one like the USCA events. If you really want to have it your way though, go create it yourself. Instead of crapping all over the rules or pointing out what's wrong, be the impetus for change and coordinate an event you believe how it should be and do it yourself. I believe Tim is doing it by investing his money at VIR and it works for him. Steve is taking a different approach which is intriguing as well by investing in a prepped NASA car. Me, I'll have my TA at the GG's event in Columbus in 2016. Some of you guys will go to SCCA or attend one or more OUSCI events. To each their own. No matter what, all these ideas are a lot of fun if you are a car guy. Main issue is you just have to show up.


Well said Jay! I do this just for fun and enjoy hanging out with other car guys and helping everyone improve. To me, it's a community not so much a competition.

We will have a Spring and Fall event this year and we will have a speed stop challenge. I took the reigns of the event you started and we had a great time last summer and got our money's worth. With OUSC not coming to the DFW area next year I will set this event up to be similar to what Optima has done because I like that format- lots of driving and very little sitting ( unless you want to sit).

If you're in or near the DFW PM to get on the email list for these events.

Greg


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