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Ron in SoCal 04-23-2014 06:39 PM

Man that spindle is a work of art GR. Huge too! hope you can make it work...

Car looks awesome Sir :thumbsup:

preston 04-24-2014 03:54 PM

The offset on those GN hubs is quite large, it will be difficult to get a good scrub radius unless you are willing to do like I do and run a lot of offset, which then limits your wheel choices to custom made 3 piece wheels that are then not sell-able or compatible with anything else. YOu could just be happy with 2"+ SR but then that also means shorter arms, and longer arms are generally better to maintain a more stable RC/IC. And you're gonna wish you had lower SR trying to steer those 335's around IMO.

I can't remember the numbers, but I think the normal C5/C6 wheel offset is 55mm, or about 2", and my offsets are 3" with the GN pin pushed all the way as close to the BJ as I can get it. A couple years ago I could have rattled all these numbers off the op of my head, but I think the distance from the pin shoulder to the wheel mounting surface is almost 4" ? Of course you don't have to run a rotor hat anymore which saves you 1/4 of SR :)

Personally I think that pin would be massive overkill because the aluminum C5/C6 upright is going to flex so much. Building a custom setup from anything else is more difficult though because the pins are harder to find. YOu might try looking at the Impala pin that the stock car houses also sell. Or if you identify a hub you like Coleman can custom build a pin for you.But you better understand your offsets and SR before you dump $600 into that project.

57hemicuda 04-24-2014 04:47 PM

I'm just kicking it around Preston, figured I post the massiveness of the parts. I looked at the Impala pin also, I just was digging on the bearing size of the GN. The Impala bearing wasn't any larger then a Mustang II, at least at the pin the diameter was the same. Keep looking at the GMR parts, they are made so well, I really just don't like the minimal bearing separation. In the end I will probably spring for the ZR1 parts, but I always need to weigh my options first.

I did get the fender tops formed, got one side tacked in before I ran out of mig wire.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01068-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01069-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01070-L.jpg

65_LS1_T56 04-25-2014 03:50 AM

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-m...-mMVhrP9-L.png

I keep thinking, this car reminds me of something :headscratch:

65_LS1_T56 04-25-2014 03:57 AM

Of course I'm messing Ron :slingshot:

Hey, on the spindle pin/upright thing: I was having similar thoughts about scrub radius and the hub design and getting the offset right on the wheels. Without them looking like dually fronts...Jiffy poppin' I believe they call that here :D

I'll you an email back later, hopefully today.

Payton King 04-25-2014 05:50 AM

Fender top looks great. The whale picture is priceless

Cris@JCG 04-25-2014 08:08 AM

Ron- Car is looking great.. Luv the front view..

here is a hub we designed for my fabricated C6 Corvette upright using a Pinto pin that Speedway makes.. I would like the Impala pin due to its larger bearings but packaging on the hub becomes a problem due to keeping the mounting face of the wheel in the stock location to maintain the stock Corvette scrub radius.. Another thing I implemented into the design is that you mount the rotor to the hub.. It keeps rotor run out to a minimum & added some weight reduction with the pocketed holes.. Gave it a tapper machine in the back side for strength under load.. But this is as far as I have gotten.. machining is not gonna be cheap on these hubs.. But if you can machine a billet diff cover & you can get Aaron to machine sum more stuff for you.. I got a design & concept!!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...pseee83e9e.jpg


http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...pse67909df.jpg




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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 547228)
Got all of the welding done on the fenders, except the top panel. I'll fabricate the fender top tomorrow, weld it in Friday, and yehaa start making dust this weekend.

Was thinking about fabbing a pin style spindle for a C6 upright. Ordered a Nascar Grand National front spindle just to see its size and shape. Had no idea how big it was compared it to a Wilwood pro spindle. It seems like a packaging nightmare, but I think it is doable.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01060-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01067-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01061-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01063-L.jpg

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65_LS1_T56 04-25-2014 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cris@JCG (Post 547580)
Ron- Car is looking great.. Luv the front view..

here is a hub we designed for my fabricated C6 Corvette upright using a Pinto pin that Speedway makes.. I would like the Impala pin due to its larger bearings but packaging on the hub becomes a problem due to keeping the mounting face of the wheel in the stock location to maintain the stock Corvette scrub radius.. Another thing I implemented into the design is that you mount the rotor to the hub.. It keeps rotor run out to a minimum & added some weight reduction with the pocketed holes.. Gave it a tapper machine in the back side for strength under load.. But this is as far as I have gotten.. machining is not gonna be cheap on these hubs.. But if you can machine a billet diff cover & you can get Aaron to machine sum more stuff for you.. I got a design & concept!!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...pseee83e9e.jpg


http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...pse67909df.jpg

Shooooot, that ain't' nothing :thumbsup:

How many you guys want? :G-Dub:

57hemicuda 04-25-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 547544)
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-m...-mMVhrP9-L.png

I keep thinking, this car reminds me of something :headscratch:


Its no Maco Shark, but I'll take it. I am going to form the humps in the rear quarters to match the fronts as soon as the fenders are done. This should look pretty shapely, I'm hoping like a sexy women not a flabby whale. LOL

taxidermy man 04-26-2014 03:55 PM

Reading through this thread makes me feel like a real slacker! Really nice work, some projects can really get you motivated to work on your own stuff, this is one of them.

57hemicuda 04-26-2014 06:44 PM

Got the fenders finish welded and ground, will start smearing mud tomorrow.

On the spindle, I started really thinking outside the box. Stopped at a buddy of mine's 4 wheel drive shop, dug through and found a 4x4 front spindle that looked like it would fit. My buddy Brian turned down the locating index to the Vette upright I.D. Stupid big, but if I made a hub to fit this, with the unibearing standoff, I think it would work.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01075-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01076-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01071-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01073-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01074-L.jpg

Sieg 04-26-2014 10:36 PM

Very interesting idea! :thumbsup:

57hemicuda 04-27-2014 04:35 AM

Torquedork, and I have been collaborating on what to do with my quarter panels, this what we have come up with. Reshape the rear window opening a bit, and install an eyebrow over the wheel opening. Love the way he was able to C14 wheels in gold on the thing, the dude is a real artist with a computer. What do you think?

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...ed%20amx-L.jpg

WSSix 04-27-2014 05:57 AM

I think it looks good, Ron!

TorqDork 04-27-2014 10:07 AM

I was trying to waste time avoiding pulling an engine on a GTO. LOL

Here's basically where I started showing "Before" and "After" adding the hump accent to the 1/4 panel and raising the bottom of the 1/4 window to make it all blend. Helps to balance the look front to back.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...psba21842a.jpg

57hemicuda 04-27-2014 03:53 PM

I know I have said it 100 times in my life, man I hate body work. At least the weather is nice, and I can do it outside.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01078-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01079-L.jpg

Sieg 04-27-2014 03:57 PM

For a guy that hates bodywork you sure do a lot of it! :sieg:

The car is looking good Ron. :thumbsup:

66fury 04-27-2014 04:18 PM

i like it

57hemicuda 04-27-2014 05:06 PM

Got the side of the fender roughed in.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01080-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01082-L.jpg

Ppd1979 04-27-2014 06:48 PM

It looks damn good!

DBasher 04-27-2014 07:36 PM

TorqDork you nailed it, that PS looks perfect!

Love this build!

:popcorn2:
Dan

FETorino 04-27-2014 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 547896)

It will look dam good in Carbon.....:_paranoid

57hemicuda 04-28-2014 03:11 AM

Why you keep saying that Rob? The budget is already blown all to hell on this thing!!LOL

1coolC2 04-28-2014 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 547921)
Why you keep saying that Rob? The budget is already blown all to hell on this thing!!LOL

The budget only hurts until it goes numb :G-Dub: Looking good Ron, I really like the rear 1/4 brow concept...it really ties the front and back together nice!!

Now that you have that done, cmon down and help a brother out getting mine done for MState!! :superhack:

Jeff

TorqDork 04-28-2014 10:36 AM

An interesting comparison.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...ps20c22947.jpg

jarhead 04-28-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TorqDork (Post 547958)


WOW!

Sieg 04-28-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jarhead (Post 547959)
WOW!

One looks much better than the other. :unibrow:

MSTSFabbed 04-29-2014 04:15 AM

Man I am I loving this thing! Keep up the good work! The little curve in the rear quarter is gonna help tie everything together so much!

57hemicuda 05-02-2014 04:12 PM

One down, one to go!!

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01083-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01084-L.jpg

coolwelder62 05-02-2014 06:41 PM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

GNon18s 05-02-2014 06:57 PM

The ol' body dust all over the place! Hands down the worst part of being a car guy in my opinion. I think its awesome you do everything yourself though.

Flash68 05-02-2014 07:00 PM

Is that some kind of hovercraft?

67zo6Camaro 05-02-2014 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TorqDork (Post 547958)

GRon, your version is of the hook. Nice work.

57hemicuda 05-03-2014 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GNon18s (Post 548757)
The ol' body dust all over the place! Hands down the worst part of being a car guy in my opinion. I think its awesome you do everything yourself though.

Yeah Justin, I've already stated how much I hate body work, and all that comes with it. After looking at the picture I posted, I had to walk back out and look at the car. In the pic it looked like the top fin on the fender had a wiggle in it. It didn't, just a shadow where the metal was exposed :drowninga: . Still have to cut the headlight bezel back off the fender before the fiberglassing can take place. Funny I cut 3" out of that fender in front of the front wheel openings, and the nose still looks long.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01084-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01083-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01052-L.jpg

GregWeld 05-03-2014 09:43 PM

It looks great Ron! Love that hood!

57hemicuda 05-04-2014 04:47 PM

When you're doing something as miserable as smearing mud and sanding, its hard to stay on task. You'll take your motivation where you can get it. Funny how big tars, especially on the front keep me trudging through.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01086-L.jpg

65_LS1_T56 05-04-2014 05:27 PM

:king:


That's a big tar

Rick D 05-04-2014 05:44 PM

Bad Azz Ron :king:

Ron in SoCal 05-04-2014 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 548941)
That's a big tar

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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 548943)
Bad Azz Ron

Luv dem meetz :thumbsup:

WSSix 05-04-2014 08:24 PM

Looks great, Ron! Keep up the good progress.


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