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Steve1968LS2 08-29-2010 04:38 PM

One issue we had was not enough travel (especially bump).. now with the higher mount and reservoir we have tons. It also helped that Doug at GW nailed the shock length (18 inches).

More than enough.. this is at static ride heigth.

http://i34.tinypic.com/2hrgzsp.jpg

tones2SS 08-29-2010 05:13 PM

Nice setup Steve!!:thumbsup:

Cris@JCG 08-30-2010 07:25 AM

Steve- Looks good.. I am glad to see that those mounts worked out for the shock reservoir mounts.. We made those to hold Aeromotive fuel filters & now have another use for them..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_0363.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 303356)
New 8300 RM shocks are now installed and ready to rumble.

BIG thanks to the guys at Global West (Doug and Eric) who worked their asses off to get these on and get them on right. The front was pretty straightforward but they still had to make some spacers and shims in thier machine shop.

The rears were a bit more challenging since we were moving to the upper shock mount. Doug didn't like the load that would be placed on the bolt in that location so he and Eric came up with a way to brace the bolt off the roll cage. Double sheer for all you nerdy engineers out there. The cans are in the trunk so adjustments will be a snap.

Took an initial guess at the settings and so far I'm pretty happy. The car road a ton nicer on the 40 mile drive home and the 215/91 is one of those plate freeways which can be a real kidney killer. We have tons of compression and rebound and overall everthing looks good.

Rear upper shock mount and canister mount: (Thanks to Cris at JCG for the super cool reservoir mounts.. they worked perfectly.
http://i36.tinypic.com/68cxs3.jpg


bonecrrusher 08-30-2010 07:41 AM

Nice..... :thumbsup:

Payton King 08-30-2010 10:24 AM

How much stroke does your rear
 
shock now have? If I am not mistaken the old shock had 5 inches.

Since we have the same front sub...show me some pics. Did you change the stroke up front as well? Why did you invert the shock up there?

Can't wait to hear the results/impressions.

James OLC 08-30-2010 11:41 AM

Very nice... it's about time you caught up with the Jones's :)

The best thing that I can say about the Penske's is that their customer service and preparation is off the chart. I've had the OLC's shocks revalved twice, rebodied once (shorter body allowing for longer travel), and emergency repaired once (be broke an AN fitting at RTTC just before OLoA). Say what you want about the up front cost - these should be the last set of shocks you ever need to buy.

tones2SS 08-30-2010 05:00 PM

[QUOTE=Gonzo;303476]Steve- Looks good.. I am glad to see that those mounts worked out for the shock reservoir mounts.. We made those to hold Aeromotive fuel filters & now have another use for them..[QUOTE]

Those reservoir mounts look killer Cris.:cheers:

Steve1968LS2 08-30-2010 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 303502)
shock now have? If I am not mistaken the old shock had 5 inches.

Since we have the same front sub...show me some pics. Did you change the stroke up front as well? Why did you invert the shock up there?

Can't wait to hear the results/impressions.

We inverted it just to make getting to the adjustments even easier.. now the remote canister is off the "top" and right there in the engine bay.

Went with a 15.5" front 8300RM but remember I have the 1.25" drop spindle so your results will vary.

We have TONS of travel.. in fact the shocks are so good we ditched the rear bar today.. let's just say Penny is much much faster on the autocross now.. Yea to Penske and Global West

Steve1968LS2 08-30-2010 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 303518)
Very nice... it's about time you caught up with the Jones's :)

The best thing that I can say about the Penske's is that their customer service and preparation is off the chart. I've had the OLC's shocks revalved twice, rebodied once (shorter body allowing for longer travel), and emergency repaired once (be broke an AN fitting at RTTC just before OLoA). Say what you want about the up front cost - these should be the last set of shocks you ever need to buy.

More like keeping the Jones's from catching up with me.

Oh, Penske wants to revalve your shocks since you are full soft and put where you are now in the middle. We ended up removing the rear bar..

Very happy with Penske and thier crew..and the guys at Global West.

Lets just say that this biatch sticks...

David Pozzi 08-31-2010 09:43 PM

James,
Mary and I Learned some things about tuning shocks. We'll try some out on OLC when we get a chance. :)
David

Steve1968LS2 08-31-2010 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Pozzi (Post 303798)
James,
Mary and Learned some things about tuning shocks. We'll try some out on OLC when we get a chance. :)
David

Hey wait.. those are my secrets!!!! lol

Oh well, consider them a gift to my Canadian brother... :D

James OLC 09-01-2010 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Pozzi (Post 303798)
James,
Mary and Learned some things about tuning shocks. We'll try some out on OLC when we get a chance. :)
David

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 303802)
Hey wait.. those are my secrets!!!! lol

Oh well, consider them a gift to my Canadian brother... :D

Looking forward to it even though I have a feeling that this "gift" somehow winds up with me trying to get 4 shocks removed, revalved, and reinstalled in the two weeks between the Silver State Classic and the NorCal event in Reno...

... regardless... gifts are always appreciated :) and now you know why I have loved the Penske's from day one!

Steve1968LS2 09-01-2010 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 303858)
Looking forward to it even though I have a feeling that this "gift" somehow winds up with me trying to get 4 shocks removed, revalved, and reinstalled in the two weeks between the Silver State Classic and the NorCal event in Reno...

... regardless... gifts are always appreciated :) and now you know why I have loved the Penske's from day one!

Hey, it's not cheap or easy being fast.. but you really never want your shocks adjusted all the way soft or hard.. gives you no place to go.

Sad about loosing the rear bar.. looked great on there! ;)

Steve1968LS2 09-01-2010 02:15 PM

Thought I would add this to the build thread...

Dialing in the new Penske shocks.. money well spent. Car was good, but too stiff.. Mary and Dave kept driving it and saying "LOOSEN IT UP!!".. at one point Doug at Global West un-did one end of the bar.

Earlier in the tests...



Better if you actually go to YouTube and up the resoluting.. top speed on the course was over 70..

Here it is after we added in a little rebound.. seemed to be the right mix.
And if you like your Mary Pozzi a bit more on the "rough" side then this is for you..

PG-13 actually on further review it might be R rated.. lol



Gratuitous beauty shot going through the slalom..

http://i51.tinypic.com/29y31uc.jpg

yamadog 09-01-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 303858)
Looking forward to it even though I have a feeling that this "gift" somehow winds up with me trying to get 4 shocks removed, revalved, and reinstalled in the two weeks between the Silver State Classic and the NorCal event in Reno...

... regardless... gifts are always appreciated :) and now you know why I have loved the Penske's from day one!

Hate to butt in here, but what is the event in Reno? Any link or info?

conekiller13 09-02-2010 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 303893)
.. at one point Doug at Global West un-did one end of the bar.

Doug REALLY knows his sh1t! He is responsible for all the fun I've had with My Chevelle....if only he had come out with his A-body coil over set up six months earlier before I cut-up the back end......:willy:

89 RS 09-03-2010 10:18 PM

Thats just kick a$$!

fleet 09-22-2010 12:33 PM

Any updates Steve?

Steve1968LS2 09-25-2010 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 306912)
Any updates Steve?

Been busy on the engine side and work got in my way a bit. :)

Went with David Pozzi over to Nelson Racing Engines to build the new RHS/COMP 460 engine. We both learned a ton.

First "problem" was we didn't expect such a thin head gasket for the RHS deal. Typically we're use to a 51 and this was 41 compress which pushed our compression (static) from 11.3 to 11.5

Fairly confident that the cam overlap will bleed some off, but it's something to watch.

We take it to Westech on Tuesday for dyno. Right now I'm heading to BOS to pull out the 454 which is going in David's Camaro.

I will also be switching to Centerforce's twin disc clutch. After doing one in the 2010 SS I'm sold on how badass this thing is.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2dsfh9v.jpg

fleet 09-25-2010 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 307404)
Been busy on the engine side and work got in my way a bit. :)

Went with David Pozzi over to Nelson Racing Engines to build the new RHS/COMP 460 engine. We both learned a ton.

First "problem" was we didn't expect such a thin head gasket for the RHS deal. Typically we're use to a 51 and this was 41 compress which pushed our compression (static) from 11.3 to 11.5

Fairly confident that the cam overlap will bleed some off, but it's something to watch.

We take it to Westech on Tuesday for dyno. Right now I'm heading to BOS to pull out the 454 which is going in David's Camaro.

I will also be switching to Centerforce's twin disc clutch. After doing one in the 2010 SS I'm sold on how badass this thing is.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2dsfh9v.jpg

This 'done' looks like it will be a lot of fun. :D

CurtiSS 69 09-27-2010 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yamadog (Post 303904)
Hate to butt in here, but what is the event in Reno? Any link or info?


I suspect this is the Reno event being discussed: http://www.norcalufo.org/main/index....ents&Itemid=59 There's still space remaining. Get in and join in on the fun.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

CurtiSS 69 09-27-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 303893)
Thought I would add this to the build thread...

Dialing in the new Penske shocks.. money well spent. Car was good, but too stiff.. Mary and Dave kept driving it and saying "LOOSEN IT UP!!".. at one point Doug at Global West un-did one end of the bar.

Earlier in the tests...



Better if you actually go to YouTube and up the resoluting.. top speed on the course was over 70..

Here it is after we added in a little rebound.. seemed to be the right mix.
And if you like your Mary Pozzi a bit more on the "rough" side then this is for you..

PG-13 actually on further review it might be R rated.. lol



Gratuitous beauty shot going through the slalom..

http://i51.tinypic.com/29y31uc.jpg

Nice! All that development work is paying off.....It's look's THERE!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

Steve1968LS2 10-02-2010 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurtiSS 69 (Post 307763)
Nice! All that development work is paying off.....It's look's THERE!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

Well, at least it's getting closer.. still lots of potential to be wrung out.

The new 461 is in the car.. waiting on headers, might fire up next Tuesday.

Productive day at Best of Show! :)

http://i53.tinypic.com/2w7r4gn.jpg

melman109 10-02-2010 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 308687)
Well, at least it's getting closer.. still lots of potential to be wrung out.

The new 461 is in the car.. waiting on headers, might fire up next Tuesday.

Productive day at Best of Show! :)

That looks So Sweet!!! :thumbsup:

pavell 10-03-2010 12:03 AM

wow, no words can describe that engine bay.

coolwelder62 10-03-2010 05:41 AM

WOW!! Steve lookin real nice.The paint BOS put on those iner fender's is stunning.The car just keep's getting better w/every part you add.Can't wait to here the new power plant.Hope things go well at a Optima for you this year.IMHO!!You have built one of the top camaro's of all time. :thumbsup: Scott

GregWeld 10-03-2010 07:24 AM

Steve --

After all the racing and brake set ups etc... do you wish you would have done more with the master cylinder (dual m/c's with balance bar etc) or is the single dual reservoir plenty? Just wondering how it works in the real world track environment you're putting it thru - since you certainly have "enough" moRtivation to get some speed on! :unibrow:

Is the Wilwood a 1" or a 7/8" ?

tones2SS 10-03-2010 08:29 AM

Very nice Steve. Killer car for sure.:thumbsup: :cheers:
What headers are you going with on this engine?

Steve1968LS2 10-03-2010 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavell (Post 308696)
wow, no words can describe that engine bay.

It's not nearly as perfect looking in person.. lol

But thanks.. I try to keep it tidy.

Steve1968LS2 10-03-2010 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 308707)
Steve --

After all the racing and brake set ups etc... do you wish you would have done more with the master cylinder (dual m/c's with balance bar etc) or is the single dual reservoir plenty? Just wondering how it works in the real world track environment you're putting it thru - since you certainly have "enough" moRtivation to get some speed on! :unibrow:

Is the Wilwood a 1" or a 7/8" ?

BOS was installing a Tilton floor mount pedal system in Alcala's car yesterday.. and see it I did wish I had that system.

BUT.. both my Wilwood and Baer systems never let me down and at last year's Optima we placed second in the braking challenge just behind the Cobra (and just ahead of a GT-R) so they do get the job done and are very simple to live with.

My Wilwood is 1" because I liked the feel better.

Steve1968LS2 10-03-2010 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tones2SS (Post 308716)
Very nice Steve. Killer car for sure.:thumbsup: :cheers:
What headers are you going with on this engine?

The same ones I've always ran.. 1 7/8 stepped long tubes made for the subfram by 21st Century. That's the same size we used on the dyno. Two inch would make more power but A. that's a PITA and B. I don't need more power. ;)

Steve1968LS2 10-03-2010 09:03 AM

I also switched to Centerforce's new twin disc clutch.. now typically I'm against these since they are more of a PITA than helpfull, but we installed this on our 2010 Camara and it was both stupid easy to install and felt like a stock clutch in the car with zero rattles or issues.

The flywheel is steel but the edge has been lightened and from a MOI standpoint is equal to an aluminum unit without the associated problems. Should hold up better to the power and to how I drive.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2dluc69.jpg

awr68 10-03-2010 09:58 AM

Looking very nice Steve! Are the headers out for new coating?

GregWeld 10-03-2010 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 308719)
BOS was installing a Tilton floor mount pedal system in Alcala's car yesterday.. and see it I did wish I had that system.

BUT.. both my Wilwood and Baer systems never let me down and at last year's Optima we placed second in the braking challenge just behind the Cobra (and just ahead of a GT-R) so they do get the job done and are very simple to live with.

My Wilwood is 1" because I liked the feel better.


Good to know! I figured that it worked well for you... but was just wondering. Thanks for the reply.

Matt@BOS 10-03-2010 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 308719)
BOS was installing a Tilton floor mount pedal system in Alcala's car yesterday.. and see it I did wish I had that system.

Ahaha, I knew you would want one when you saw it. You know, Dick is installing those pedals in Josh's car next, he could just make a second set of everything... :lol: Seriously though, I envy the fact that your car just flat out works I know it took a gazillion hours to get it that way.

Greg, some of us aren't as lucky as Steve, and after all the time and money I spent trying to fine tune and fix my system to no avail, I figured I might as well change pedals and get a full floater when I had the opportunity.The amount of adjustment that system has just boggles the mind. After all, what can I say? I've learned well from the man who, when he needs to change oil just gets a new 461 LS motor because he has the opportunity :lol:

Matt

Jr 10-03-2010 10:47 AM

Steve,

Did you change the oil pan? If memory serves, you had a road race milodon on the car last time?

Steve1968LS2 10-03-2010 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69MSA (Post 308738)
Ahaha, I knew you would want one when you saw it. You know, Dick is installing those pedals in Josh's car next, he could just make a second set of everything... :lol: Seriously though, I envy the fact that your car just flat out works I know it took a gazillion hours to get it that way.

Greg, some of us aren't as lucky as Steve, and after all the time and money I spent trying to fine tune and fix my system to no avail, I figured I might as well change pedals and get a full floater when I had the opportunity.The amount of adjustment that system has just boggles the mind. After all, what can I say? I've learned well from the man who, when he needs to change oil just gets a new 461 LS motor because he has the opportunity :lol:

Matt

Your new Tilton pedals are freaking badass.. I wish they were easier to install. :)

Why change oil when you can change engines? lol

Steve1968LS2 10-03-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJW32 (Post 308739)
Steve,

Did you change the oil pan? If memory serves, you had a road race milodon on the car last time?

I had a Canton pan on the last two engines.. great pan but with this 4.250 stroke there just wasn't enough pan clearance.

I found the Autocraft pan had more overall clearance so I'm running that but I did have to notch the front of the pan to clear my rack. Very nice pan, heavier than the Canton, but stronger as well.

What I really need to do is draw out a pan and have Canton make me a custom one that will give me maximum clearance and fit in my frame.

Steve1968LS2 10-03-2010 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awr68 (Post 308734)
Looking very nice Steve! Are the headers out for new coating?

Yep.. had some wire fall on them at the last chassis dyno and the melted plastic wouldn't come off.. soooooo

GregWeld 10-03-2010 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69MSA (Post 308738)
Greg, some of us aren't as lucky as Steve, and after all the time and money I spent trying to fine tune and fix my system to no avail, I figured I might as well change pedals and get a full floater when I had the opportunity.The amount of adjustment that system has just boggles the mind. After all, what can I say? I've learned well from the man who, when he needs to change oil just gets a new 461 LS motor because he has the opportunity :lol:

Matt

Yeah -- I always have to call Charley and beg for some $$ when I want to do something..... So far.... I'm not getting to do very much! :rofl: :rofl:


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