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taxidermy man 05-05-2014 07:10 AM

Yeah, them are some big meats!

Payton King 05-05-2014 08:31 AM

That is pretty sporty!

57hemicuda 05-05-2014 04:51 PM

This is absolutely the most like a car this thing has looked since I've owned it. Knew I should have bought some stock in bondo before I started on these fenders, at least $100 in bondo on the floor. Panel fit is amazing good for what a cluster this thing is, hope the fiberglass parts fit this well.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01087-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01088-L.jpg

57hemicuda 05-07-2014 04:35 PM

Torquedork was at it again, from stock to C14's on an Xperimental. I'm hoping I can do his photoshop justice.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...b223517b-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...10388e7b-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...1d58c250-L.jpg

57hemicuda 05-07-2014 06:22 PM

One last one.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...ad82fb76-L.jpg

Flash68 05-07-2014 11:13 PM

Now ^ that one has the shape!

TorqDork 05-09-2014 11:05 AM

Played with it a bit more cleaning it up and raising the rear wheel well slightly. Also used a slightly different '71 AMX 1/4 panel photo to ghost the accent line in. It really breaks up the 1/4 panel nicely.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...ps239aa37e.jpg

Ron mentioned Red so gave it an Earl Sheib paint job. LOL

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2eced6d8.jpg

Leadfoot1 05-09-2014 11:24 AM

He also mentionned white with gold wheels....

:whenitsdone: ?

Lead.

57hemicuda 05-15-2014 01:05 PM

Everything is kind of roughed in, and I do mean roughed in. Now I need to fit it to the car, and clean up the edges. The nose still looks kind of long to me, even after cutting 3" off of it. Front end definitely shows off the need for the quarter panel mods. Man I hate body work!!!


http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01098-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01097-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01091-L.jpg

Sieg 05-15-2014 01:42 PM

Looks good Ron. I'm guessing the nose looks long due to the lighter color. Start working your magic on the rear quarter eyebrows! :thumbsup:

Track Junky 05-15-2014 01:47 PM

Nose looks fine. Start working on them quarters. :thumbsup:

WSSix 05-15-2014 03:55 PM

I think it looks good, Ron. I'm sure it'll look even better in color. Keep up the good work.

Ppd1979 05-15-2014 06:21 PM

The nose looks perfect, start working on the quarters.

sanddan 05-16-2014 06:05 AM

I think it's interesting that you say you hate body work but you do a very good job at it.

GregWeld 05-16-2014 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddan (Post 550906)
I think it's interesting that you say you hate body work but you do a very good job at it.




Hating something - but doing a good job at whatever that is -- are completely separate issues.


Ever sanded louvers? LOL


By the way -- my brother in law lives in Boring...

sanddan 05-16-2014 06:29 AM

Yes, I've sanded louvers. Pretty time consuming.

I do body and paint because I know how and I am too cheap to pay someone else. The OP is very good, even if he hates it:thumbsup:

One of my favorite threads to read, keep up the great work.

57hemicuda 05-16-2014 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 550908)


By the way -- my brother in law lives in Boring...

My brother in law lives in Lazy, or is it Good for nothing, I can't remember which, he moves around alot.lol Opposite ends of the country, thats the best way to keep liking family..

Evan Iroc-Z 05-16-2014 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 550798)
Nose looks fine. Start working on them quarters. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ppd1979 (Post 550849)
The nose looks perfect, start working on the quarters.

The nose looks like sh!t, start working on the quarters. :thumbsup: :D

I think it looks great and will look even better once you tie in the quarters.

TorqDork 05-16-2014 07:59 AM

Ron,

I think I got pretty close adapting your recent side shot to the earlier clean image I did to put things in perspective.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...psea966d99.jpg

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...psd702b7aa.jpg

Ron Sutton 05-16-2014 08:12 AM

This is going to be such a cool looking car when it's done. Keep up the good work Ron.

:cheers:

TorqDork 05-16-2014 02:18 PM

Probably as close as I can get with the mods and dialing in what's been done so far. You mentioned Viper Green at one time and gave it a shot.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...ps371f170b.jpg

ArisESQ 05-16-2014 06:57 PM

This car genuinely looks like it would look awesome in any color.

Rick D 05-16-2014 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorqDork (Post 550982)
Probably as close as I can get with the mods and dialing in what's been done so far. You mentioned Viper Green at one time and gave it a shot.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...ps371f170b.jpg[/URL]

Ron if your going for the older Viper green then cool, but the new green on the 2014 ain't going to happen. Sorry it's a proprietary color for Dodge. It's a candy looking color but we made it using toners not ink (house of colors candy = ink). That way it will not wash out in the sun like traditional candy can.

Now for the right price I "may" be able to get you some :idea::idea:

Flash68 05-16-2014 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 550792)
Everything is kind of roughed in, and I do mean roughed in. Now I need to fit it to the car, and clean up the edges. The nose still looks kind of long to me, even after cutting 3" off of it. Front end definitely shows off the need for the quarter panel mods. Man I hate body work!!!


http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01098-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01097-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01091-L.jpg

Do I see remnants of an F350 tail light in the background? :computer: :computer:

57hemicuda 05-17-2014 04:55 AM

No, but I just threw your air cleaner away the other day.

GregWeld 05-17-2014 06:50 AM

What brakes and pads etc are you running on the Mustang Ron?

I'm in the process of working thru some brake issues on mine with Ron Sutton.

57hemicuda 05-17-2014 07:58 AM

I'm running Carbotech XP10's on the front, and 12's on the rear. Due to the tandem style master that car has on it I was forced to balance the brakes with pads differences. Baer sent me the newest 6S system they had 2 days before the car left for Optima, didn't get a chance to figure the balance out before Vegas, and it was a disaster. Slid the car off course every lap, totally my fault for not setting the car up before it left.

As soon as the fiberglass plugs are done on this AMX, I'm going to change out the master cylinder setup for a dual master cylinder. I'll try a 7/8" front(which is what I'm running now), 3/4" or 7/10" rear, and run XP10's all the way around. It will require major firewall mods to run that setup, that's why its not done already. Keep in mind that car has humungus brakes on it, 15" 6 piston front/ 14" 6 piston rear.

GregWeld 05-17-2014 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 551051)
IKeep in mind that car has humungus brakes on it, 15" 6 piston front/ 14" 6 piston rear.




Soooooo.... that's not really the same as my single C4/12" on the back half of my car?


LOL

Cris@JCG 05-17-2014 08:27 AM

If Ron Sutton has the time.. Maybe do a thread on brakes & put it on sticky.. Their is alot of information people need to be educated on that could help with brake set-ups.. I personally think 15" front & rear 14's are way to much brakes.. lots of rotational weight..

I will share my controversional information! :thumbsup:



Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551045)
What brakes and pads etc are you running on the Mustang Ron?

I'm in the process of working thru some brake issues on mine with Ron Sutton.


Matt@BOS 05-17-2014 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551055)
Soooooo.... that's not really the same as my single C4/12" on the back half of my car?


LOL

Just put power brakes on it. That should fix it. :lol:

We should have a brake tech thread full of Ron's info, just because.

Flash68 05-17-2014 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 551044)
No, but I just threw your air cleaner away the other day.

That hurts Ron. You coulda got at least 2, maybe 3 bucks on craigslist for that and been able to meet another interesting person that your family could classify in the "stranger danger" category.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 551051)
I'm running Carbotech XP10's on the front, and 12's on the rear.

I think you meant XP12 front and XP10 rear?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris@JCG (Post 551059)
If Ron Sutton has the time.. Maybe do a thread on brakes & put it on sticky.. Their is alot of information people need to be educated on that could help with brake set-ups.. I personally think 15" front & rear 14's are way to much brakes.. lots of rotational weight..

:lmao:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 551067)
Just put power brakes on it. That should fix it. :lol:

:lmao:

57hemicuda 05-17-2014 11:55 AM

No Dave, mine actually has the more aggressive pad on the rear. That was the only way I could get any kind of rear brake, with the 49F/51R weight ratio, and 275F/335R tire stagger. The car still needs more rear brake, that is why I'm changing the masters.

Greg, I started out with 12" C4 brakes. Drag racing the car, and autoX, I thought it was the sh!t, stock pads, Dot3 fluid and all. I took it on my first road course, about 15 laps in, while doing my typical bonzi down the straight, came to the turn and no brakes, at all. Thank God there was a lot of run off, couldn't even get to slow down. That's when Todd from Baer gave me a quick school on how stupid I was. One of those lessons you never forget.

Vegas69 05-17-2014 12:48 PM

I had my car set up the same way at one point. That was the only way I could get enough rear brake in my car to take the proportioning valve off full kill.

Flash68 05-17-2014 02:39 PM

Interesting. Most of the Vette guys have similar stagger (don't know their weight distribution off hand) and they all ran 10 front / 8 rear or more aggressive 12 front 10 rear. Figured I'd see similar setup here.

My dealer recommended the 10 front 8 rear for me and at the time had 255 front 315 rear tires.

Whatever. :mock:

Flash68 05-17-2014 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris@JCG (Post 551059)
If Ron Sutton has the time.. Maybe do a thread on brakes & put it on sticky..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 551067)

We should have a brake tech thread full of Ron's info, just because.

There is all kinds of Sutton brake knowledge dropped in this thread:

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...=braking+force

Cris@JCG 05-17-2014 04:08 PM

We do the same thing for rear braking bias..

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 551079)
No Dave, mine actually has the more aggressive pad on the rear. That was the only way I could get any kind of rear brake, with the 49F/51R weight ratio, and 275F/335R tire stagger. The car still needs more rear brake, that is why I'm changing the masters.

Greg, I started out with 12" C4 brakes. Drag racing the car, and autoX, I thought it was the sh!t, stock pads, Dot3 fluid and all. I took it on my first road course, about 15 laps in, while doing my typical bonzi down the straight, came to the turn and no brakes, at all. Thank God there was a lot of run off, couldn't even get to slow down. That's when Todd from Baer gave me a quick school on how stupid I was. One of those lessons you never forget.

read it.. Agree on the piston area but just set up a car on Kore 3 front & rear Z06 brakes with brake booster that have the smaller bores & has been one of the best set ups that I have liked so far

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 551088)
There is all kinds of Sutton brake knowledge dropped in this thread:

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...=braking+force


57hemicuda 05-17-2014 05:12 PM

Just because I love body work so much, I decided to make the front bumper, grill, and headlights as one piece. Figured if I was going to make the bumper out of fiberglass, I might as well make it an assembly. Should clean the front of the car up, and make it easier to put together. Besides the grills for these cars go for $650, I will just run the stainless mesh like I have in the Mustang. Got the nose pieces assembled, will make the grill out of sheet metal tomorrow.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01102-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01103-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01104-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01105-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01106-L.jpg

57hemicuda 05-18-2014 10:16 AM

How to make a AMX grill for about 4 bucks: First get a bunch of scrap metal, Second weld it together. Done.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01107-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01108-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01109-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01111-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01112-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC01113-L.jpg

Sieg 05-18-2014 10:48 AM

You don't sit down much do you?

Nice work. :thumbsup:

Flash68 05-18-2014 11:15 AM

That looks MEAN Ron! Love it. :thumbsup:


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