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CarlC 09-15-2020 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by randy (Post 706469)
Fuel pressure question

When you turn the ignition on does the fuel pumps hold fuel rail pressure? Recently installed a lt4 in a friends 69 and ignition on the fuel pressure goes to 40ish and then drops to zero. Tested this with a online -6an fuel pressure gauge at the fuel inlet at the engine. My gmpp ls3 swap it will hold the fuel pressure with key on

What fuel pump is being used and how is it driven?

Stielow 09-15-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmo mentis (Post 706532)
Mark,

Leaving cost out of the equation for now, would you ever want to install a full frame chassis in a 1st gen?

What would be your reasons pro or con?

Thanks...

If money were NO concern? I would definitely do a full chassis that was fully designed and engineered. Optimize everything and get the packaging just right. Redesign all the driveline while I was at it. Do all the FEA to make it as light and stiff as possible. Oh and if money were of NO concern I would do a full carbon fiber body to boot.

But then you need to ask your self my favorite Charlie question - "Then what are you gong to do with it".

Cruiser, Track Monster, Both...

At GM we have VTS - (Vehicle Technical Specifications) it has things like:

0-60 times
1/4 mile times
Top Speed
Fuel Economy
Interior Cabin Noise
Wind Noise
Exhaust Tone and Sound Level
Tire Wear
Stopping Distance
Ride Quality
Track Lap Times
Cooling Specs
Towing Capability
Etc.....

Which ones do you want to optimize? We have a teams of people at GM that work for years on this stuff.

You can not have a S-Class Mercedes ride and a Corvette ZR-1 lap times. Hard to violate the laws of physics.

Pro - It would be great! Could spend the time to get a optimized chassis and driveline.

Con - Time and Money, and you will be disappointed when you are done unless you do your own VTS.

Just my two cents.

Mark

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Stielow 09-15-2020 03:35 PM

Off the shelf Hooker Black Heart header!

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214Chevy 09-15-2020 05:57 PM

Those headers look really good for an off the shelf.

camcojb 09-15-2020 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 706568)
Off the shelf Hooker Black Heart header!

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ARP loves you. Bob's a good friend to have. :thumbsup:

randy 09-16-2020 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlC (Post 706555)
What fuel pump is being used and how is it driven?

Carl we have spoken before and I’m sure Rodney has at rods car craft in Wylie Tx. Dual 450 pumps, ricks billet hat, returnless, your lt4 controller splitting the gray wire I think that is twisted in the gmpp harness

raustinss 09-16-2020 10:25 PM

So back to the i.r.s question, would you recommend doing a irs "kit' swap using c6 subframe to a 70 A body

jmac 09-17-2020 06:00 PM

Mark,

I noticed that your rear brake caliper is mounted at the 9 o'clock position, if you were looking at it from the driver's side.

Is there a reason you do this? Any benefit or added performance from the caliper being mounted there instead of the usual 2-3 o'clock position?

Thanks!

Stielow 09-18-2020 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by raustinss (Post 706617)
So back to the i.r.s question, would you recommend doing a irs "kit' swap using c6 subframe to a 70 A body


Nope


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Stielow 09-18-2020 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jmac (Post 706641)
Mark,

I noticed that your rear brake caliper is mounted at the 9 o'clock position, if you were looking at it from the driver's side.

Is there a reason you do this? Any benefit or added performance from the caliper being mounted there instead of the usual 2-3 o'clock position?

Thanks!


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jmac 09-18-2020 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 706654)
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Is that just the way the Brembos mount? I'm used to seeing them more towards the rear on the other side of the axle.

Does mounting like that have any advantage or is it just cosmetic/packaging, brake line routing friendly?

Stielow 09-19-2020 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jmac (Post 706656)
Is that just the way the Brembos mount? I'm used to seeing them more towards the rear on the other side of the axle.

Does mounting like that have any advantage or is it just cosmetic/packaging, brake line routing friendly?


It is usually just a packaging issue. Mine are in the front of axle position due to the way I designed the park brake.

I’m sure if I did a deep Engineering analysis there is an optimal solution. For my builds it is packaging.

I do know on the front and most likely for the rear caliper. Having rearward will help brake pad cooling.


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jmac 09-19-2020 09:44 AM

Thank you.

Could you share what you're doing for a parking brake, how they're mounted and how you routed your cables?

kwhizz 09-20-2020 06:02 AM

The evolutionary process.... Mark started out building "Nice" Street Race cars...... He is now building Riddler quality Street Race cars......

Stielow 09-22-2020 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jmac (Post 706685)
Thank you.

Could you share what you're doing for a parking brake, how they're mounted and how you routed your cables?


We will post picture when we get there. But stock park brake pedal and C6 park brakes in the rotor hats.


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Stielow 09-25-2020 03:49 PM

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jmac 09-25-2020 05:09 PM

Awesome, looks so good in there!

Thank you for posting the pics of your oil cooler lines. Looks like there's plenty of room on the side of the block and that adapter above the oil filter fits nicely.

214Chevy 09-25-2020 05:23 PM

So sweet!!

Jim Hoke 09-26-2020 11:09 AM

Congratulations on the new GM Racing position
 
Mark, congrats on the new role. I've always felt that you lived and breathed GM performance (and really ALL aspects of automotive performance)........ You've contributed so much to the hobby that we all love so much. Congratulations to you, and I am sure that those of us in the hobby are wishing you and your team all the best.

CarlC 09-26-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by randy (Post 706616)
Carl we have spoken before and I’m sure Rodney has at rods car craft in Wylie Tx. Dual 450 pumps, ricks billet hat, returnless, your lt4 controller splitting the gray wire I think that is twisted in the gmpp harness

To hold fuel pressure at key-off an inline check valve will be needed. The bypass in the Rick's hat will drain off fuel in the line.

Stielow 09-29-2020 03:21 AM

Camaro LT5
 
You may recall earlier we added a oil to oil diff cooler. This is the Gen 5 ZL1 diff cooler.

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These are the cooling lines that move the transmission fluid. It is a loop. There is a electric pump that circulates the trans fluid through a oil to water heat exchanger in the radiator then the chilled trans fluid gets pumped back to the diff. It goes though a oil to oil heat exchanger then back to the trans. This is how GM does it in production except the trans pump is built into the transmission.

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The line pass thought the DSE rear crossmember then go through the passenger rocker. Keeps the packaging clean and the line protected.


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BigBronco 09-29-2020 06:11 AM

Love that oil cooler setup. Quite a bit of fab but turned out phenomenal.

raustinss 09-29-2020 02:25 PM

next Mark is going to tell us the pump only comes on when required by temp lol

will69camaro 09-29-2020 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by raustinss (Post 706969)
next Mark is going to tell us the pump only comes on when required by temp lol

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Stielow 09-30-2020 09:03 AM

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Random AN hoses


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WSSix 10-01-2020 07:20 PM

What hose are you using, Mark. I see it's Earls. I'm not familiar with a grey hose from them, though.

The car is coming together great and looking phenomenal as always.

camcojb 10-01-2020 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 707023)
What hose are you using, Mark. I see it's Earls. I'm not familiar with a grey hose from them, though.

The car is coming together great and looking phenomenal as always.

I love the look of that hose, can't afford the crimper... :ohsnap:

https://www.holley.com/brands/earls/...evlar_braided/

cjfirstgen 10-02-2020 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 707024)
I love the look of that hose, can't afford the crimper... :ohsnap:

https://www.holley.com/brands/earls/...evlar_braided/

Several brands carry the same hose under different names btw. Fragola Race-Rite Pro is what I went with on the my builds. The crimper and required dies, tooling, etc are certainly an investment but the time that it saves assembling hoses pays off in the long run. The performance, durability, flexibility (bend radius), flow and light weight of the hose made it worth it to me. The Pro or Extreme add an externally wound stainless steel wire that provides vacuum support and tighter bend capability.

Fragola Race Rite & Race Rite Pro
Brown & Miller Pro Gold Aramid Braid
Earl's Ultra Flex Kevlar Braided
XRP ProPlus Race Hose & ProPlus Extreme

69hugger 10-02-2020 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 707024)
I love the look of that hose, can't afford the crimper... :ohsnap:

https://www.holley.com/brands/earls/...evlar_braided/


The hose is $24.00 a foot and you're worried about the crimper? (Although I didn't look at the price of the crimper...):G-Dub:

will69camaro 10-02-2020 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 69hugger (Post 707027)
The hose is $24.00 a foot and you're worried about the crimper? (Although I didn't look at the price of the crimper...):G-Dub:

Crimper is $3grand

cjfirstgen 10-02-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by will69camaro (Post 707028)
Crimper is $3grand

And the crimper dies are about $450 each. You need about 4 of them to cover most of the sizes.

214Chevy 10-02-2020 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by will69camaro (Post 707028)
Crimper is $3grand


:wow::wow:....:faint::faint:

69hugger 10-02-2020 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by will69camaro (Post 707028)
Crimper is $3grand



Yeah, that would be a deal breaker for most anyone. Man, this hobby gets pricier every day if you want the good stuff! Take Lillard money to play!!:G-Dub:

camcojb 10-02-2020 10:03 AM

If I had a shop building cars that could use their hose and fittings it'd be a worthwhile investment for sure, very cool stuff. But $5K for a crimper and dies to use a few times is tough.

69hugger 10-02-2020 11:04 AM

Wouldn't surprise me if one of the many awesome members here offered to support your build by crimping your ends for you. (Hint hint):gitrdun:

Now, you just gotta pop for the 'spensive hose. That is, unless you can find a grateful vendor to help out. (Hint hint).:thumbsup:

jmac 10-02-2020 06:58 PM

The fabricator I have doing the work on my car has one of these and only charges a couple bucks to assemble the hoses. The fittings aren't too crazy expensive, but the hose is! I thought of having him do this for me when I get to that stage, I wouldn't need much!

camcojb 10-02-2020 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 69hugger (Post 707044)
Wouldn't surprise me if one of the many awesome members here offered to support your build by crimping your ends for you. (Hint hint):gitrdun:

Now, you just gotta pop for the 'spensive hose. That is, unless you can find a grateful vendor to help out. (Hint hint).:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by jmac (Post 707060)
The fabricator I have doing the work on my car has one of these and only charges a couple bucks to assemble the hoses. The fittings aren't too crazy expensive, but the hose is! I thought of having him do this for me when I get to that stage, I wouldn't need much!

I don't need so much hose that it'd be a deal breaker, kinda solidifies me doing more hard lines lol. But I'd need to find someone local to crimp them, or a nice Lat G member... :thumbsup:

Sled Alley 10-06-2020 04:44 AM

Jody mark out clocking of the fittings and ship them to me and I will crimp all your lines

OLDFLM 10-06-2020 08:23 AM

Goodridge 910
 
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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 707024)
I love the look of that hose...

Isn't the hose Goodridge 910?

cjfirstgen 10-06-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OLDFLM (Post 707142)
Isn't the hose Goodridge 910?

Yes with variations in the sheathing stripe colors or just plain black Aramid. Also Fragola Race-Rite Pro has an additional variation that I not sure what Goodrich number it crosses to.

Fragola Race Rite Pro: Convoluted exterior with added Spiral Wire increases hoop strength to prevent hose sucking shut under high vacuum. Spiral wire provides an even better bend radius.


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