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Track Junky 04-28-2012 02:30 PM

Nice....what are the specs on the cam? Didn't get details on the heads either....

Sieg 04-28-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 410752)
Nice....what are the specs on the cam? Didn't get details on the heads either....

Those pics are conveniently another 383 customers parts. Heads are older AFR 190's w/ 2.00/1.60 70+ cc chambers, they've been decked so they need to be cc'd. Grant's working up some numbers for me. If I can make it happen the cam would be custom grind to his specs, 520 lift range, 10:1 comp.

Track Junky 04-28-2012 04:24 PM

I hear AFR's are the best heads out of the box. My cam is custom ground with an LSX firing order. Might want to ask yor builder about that. Also, I would recommend a Victor Jr Intake. I used mine on the street for years with a cam that was .250 duration at .050 and it was fine. Especially since your running a 5 speed. If I was running a 5 speed I would probably go to a 3.73 gear.

Sieg 04-28-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 410763)
I hear AFR's are the best heads out of the box. My cam is custom ground with an LSX firing order. Might want to ask yor builder about that. Also, I would recommend a Victor Jr Intake. I used mine on the street for years with a cam that was .250 duration at .050 and it was fine. Especially since your running a 5 speed. If I was running a 5 speed I would probably go to a 3.73 gear.

Thanks for reminding me, I remember reading your LSX firing order, forgot all about it. How much different does it sound compared to conventional?

Grant has been a proponent of the Victor Series for years, but he's the one that sold me on the Air Gap, he said they're producing equal or better numbers, with a slight look of amazement on his face.

I'm running a T56 Mag close ratio, .63 6th. Rear gear will end up at 3.55-3:73 leaning to the later. I tend to prefer a slightly taller gear, especially on my track and offroad bikes. Poor mans traction control. :D

Track Junky 04-28-2012 09:13 PM

You ever hear the drone from a modified LSX? I get that at a certain rpm. alot of guys dont like that but I think it sounds pretty cool. More like a howl rather than a drone.

When I had my air gap back in the day I dyno tuned my car. Switched to a Victor JR and re-dynoed. The Victor gave me 50 more hp. no lie.

When picking rear gears think about the top speed you will be running at the end of the longest straight of a track that you run at peak or max rpm.

With a 25.6" tire and 3.42 gears 145 mph is my top speed at 6500 rpm. I picked that speed according to Thunder Hill. So far I've hit 6200 rpm at the end of the straight which puts me at around 139-140 mph. A lttle more wheel time and some aero work I should hit my mark.

Flash68 04-29-2012 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 410803)
Thanks for reminding me, I remember reading your LSX firing order, forgot all about it. How much different does it sound compared to conventional?

Since it was brought up, and you are deciding or having decided for you which route to take, I am curious on the differences/benefits of the LSx, 4-7 swap, and "Cleveland" firing orders. I just learned of the "Cleveland" firing order last week (also called the 4 cylinder swap).

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Sieg 04-29-2012 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 410807)
You ever hear the drone from a modified LSX? I get that at a certain rpm. alot of guys dont like that but I think it sounds pretty cool. More like a howl rather than a drone.

When I had my air gap back in the day I dyno tuned my car. Switched to a Victor JR and re-dynoed. The Victor gave me 50 more hp. no lie.

When picking rear gears think about the top speed you will be running at the end of the longest straight of a track that you run at peak or max rpm.

With a 25.6" tire and 3.42 gears 145 mph is my top speed at 6500 rpm. I picked that speed according to Thunder Hill. So far I've hit 6200 rpm at the end of the straight which puts me at around 139-140 mph. A lttle more wheel time and some aero work I should hit my mark.

I haven't heard the LSx in person. LSx, 4-7 and Cleveland will make for good discussion at the shop.

I've been out of the market a while, how many versions/revisions of the Air Gap are there? Performer and Performer RPM are the two I'm aware of.

My car has a late 80's Torker II on it, the revised version is rumored to be much better.

The Victor on a SBC looks proper :yes:

I'll assume your gearing/rpm numbers are based on 1:1 final drive? My intention is to base the track gearing off the 1:1 4th gear. 5th and 6th are recreational/transport gears IMO. :D

Flash68 04-29-2012 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 410840)
I haven't heard the LSx in person. LSx, 4-7 and Cleveland will make for good discussion at the shop.

I've been out of the market a while, how many versions/revisions of the Air Gap are there? Performer and Performer RPM are the two I'm aware of.

My car has a late 80's Torker II on it, the revised version is rumored to be much better.

The Victor on a SBC looks proper :yes:

I'll assume your gearing/rpm numbers are based on 1:1 final drive? My intention is to base the track gearing off the 1:1 4th gear. 5th and 6th are recreational/transport gears IMO. :D

I am aware of the original Air Gap and then one update, but maybe there is more.

I had a Torker on my Pontiac motor in high school. :thumbsup:

And yeah 4th gear 1:1 (I'll answer for G) as I know he has a beefed up Muncie / Spec 25.

The Victor Jr and Super Victor are great looking intakes I agree. :thumbsup:

Track Junky 04-29-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 410840)
I haven't heard the LSx in person. LSx, 4-7 and Cleveland will make for good discussion at the shop.

I've been out of the market a while, how many versions/revisions of the Air Gap are there? Performer and Performer RPM are the two I'm aware of.

My car has a late 80's Torker II on it, the revised version is rumored to be much better.

The Victor on a SBC looks proper :yes:

I'll assume your gearing/rpm numbers are based on 1:1 final drive? My intention is to base the track gearing off the 1:1 4th gear. 5th and 6th are recreational/transport gears IMO. :D

LS swaps 4-3 with 7-2 in the firing order. I'm no engineer but I'm assuming it's a better arrangement.

Yes, 1:1 final. Running standard Muncie gearing in trans.

Sieg 04-30-2012 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411053)
I had a Torker on my Pontiac motor in high school. :thumbsup:

Grant put an Offy Dual Plane on Pontiac motor he built for me in '78. :D


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