A plan that might work
 

I have an idea that would solve several issues PERHAPS:


We hire ex military (veterans) and retired police - veterans first dibs... to be plain clothes conceal carry - body armor UNDER their clothing -- to cover all entrances at schools. They would receive extensive training and phsyc evaluations etc.

This would help veterans find jobs... would help retirees meet their needs. This would be PART TIME employment but with full benefits etc. Let's say it pays $40,000 a year - summers off etc. Applicants would be required to live within their school district. So you'd have to live in Chicago to work for Chicago schools etc. Or put a milage radius -- say maybe you have to live within 10 miles of the school you work at.


NOW -- This could be PAID FOR via -- Federal Tax stamps (ala cigarettes / booze) on EVERY weapon - magazine - ammo PRODUCED OR IMPORTED. And collected UP FRONT at the point of manufacture or import. Let's say $100 per hand gun - to include shotguns and hunting rifles - $500 per Military style rifle - $5 per magazine up to 9 rounds - $20 per magazine over 9 round capacity - $5 per 50 rounds of ammo regardless of caliber or style.


This would help solve -- unemployment -- would add to school security -- would not take anyones "rights" away... and only gun enthusiasts would foot the bill. :cheers: :woot:


What say you guys????

:unibrow: I'm starting to see the retired military thing floating around and it's a great idea. It's in my letters to all parties. I like your idea of where the money is coming from.

My other idea about making EVERYONE take a class when they buy their first gun is secondary but crucial. It would create jobs and the cosumer should pay for taking the class.

I think it's a reasonable idea but I have the sense that if you try to do anything involving guns, a certain subset of the population will flip out.

In the same way they can say why should I not have a semi automatic assault rifle just because a crazy person might shoot up a school, they could ask why they should have to pay to protect us from that crazy person.

It also would likely be the case that the people so hardcore about guns, are also no fans of taxes, nor of the government increasing it's head count by 100k+ people. You know, communist police state or whatever it is.

I think it's an interesting question though, instead of banning things, taxing them to try to counter act what those things do or allow. It's certainly something we do a lot of (taxes on alchohol, cigarettes etc).

That's a given. This is the USA -- "Everyone" has their own agenda.

Re: Anti tax.... it's why you have shows on TV about bootlegging Moonshine.

Bans don't solve anything and only drive it underground... we'll ban something and then create a government entity to enforce the ban. We're idiots.

People smoke - they pay big taxes to do so... IMHO not enough! But if you read my Investing 102 thread -- I make a bunch of money on cigarette stocks (dividends from them).

People drink - they pay a bunch of taxes.... we spend far more probably on DUI enforcement etc. and we still have bootleggers...

We have illegals coming across the border hourly.... we barely pay lip service to stopping that. Why? Because it's damn near impossible to stop. We can only hope to curb it.

My idea is an Obama - Shovel ready employment creator.... paid for with a SIN TAX... and I'll guarantee that tree hugger Mom will still find a way to bitch about having someone with a gun at their children's school...

My wife is a HS Teacher and they have an armed retired State Police Officer (have for several years) at the school all day every day.

I don't know all of the details of how they work this out, but I'm assuming he is paid by the school district. I don't know if they do this for all of the schools in the district or only the High School. I'll have to ask her.

Seems reasonable to me. It's a good supplemental part-time job for him and I know for one that it makes my wife feel more safe knowing that he's there.

One other point is that to pay for 100k employees, which is just about 1 per school, at 40k each, is just about 25%-50% of all firearms revenues depending on what numbers you look at.

You'd almost certainly have to ban private sales, and eliminate the gun show hole (which would drastically cut gun show sales). Not because of criminals buying guns, just because there would be no convenience to it.

Both of those are complete non starters with the hardcore gun rights people, because they use the slippery slope argument.

Wrong -- sorry....

The government has the right - via congress - to vote TAXES in as they wish. What they can't do is to take away the right to bear arms... that's the slippery slope! Taxes -- they're good at that! All they need do is vote it in - DONE.

Thus my idea. It doesn't take away anything from anyone. It's just a tax levied. Gasoline taxes - income taxes - property taxes etc.

I say collect the tax at the point of manufacture - or import - and we could add "gun dealer" for used guns or otherwise - pays this tax period. So you could end up collecting this tax multiple times on one weapon if it changed hands a lot. So what.... let it change hands -- each guy is paying that tax! So be it.

At gun shows -- nobody goes in with guns that can't show the taxes paid -- these are (I'm assuming) licensed gun dealers -- and nobody leaves a show with a gun/ammo/ etc without a tax paid receipt with the serial numbers etc.

There would OBVIOUSLY be some hiccups that would need to be worked out in details. We have lots (535) of idiots in Washington DC to work out the details - but my point was - a basic plan with a revenue attached to it.

The government is good at collecting taxes... so let them do what they're good at.

One example of how effective Gun Control efforts might be...............

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_16...l-crime-scene/

Here's the real reason it's called a cop-killer:

SS190 duty ammunition
The SS190 FMJ, a refinement of the SS90, was introduced in 1993.[6] It offered superior performance over the prototype projectile as well as slightly reduced length.[6] The latter change allowed it to be used more conveniently in the Five-seven pistol also being developed at that time.[9] Fired from the P90, the SS190 propels a 2.0-g (31 grain) bullet at a muzzle velocity of roughly 715 m/s (2,350 ft/s). It has a steel penetrator and an aluminum core.[40] The SS190 has been manufactured with a plain, black, or black-on-white tip color.[15][41][42] It is classified by the ATF as armor-piercing (AP) ammunition, and its sale is currently restricted by FN to military and law enforcement customers.[15][24]
In testing done by Houston Police Department SWAT, the SS190 fired from the P90 into bare ballistic gelatin exhibited penetration depths ranging from 28 to 34 cm (11 to 13.5 in).[21] In testing in 1999 by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), the SS190 fired from the P90 at a distance of 25 m (27 yd) exhibited an average penetration depth of 25 cm (9.85 in) in ballistic gelatin after passing through a Level II kevlar vest.[38]


The I know nothing diplomatic immunity answer.......does it work for Joe Average citizen?

Excellent ideas, I'm for it however. I hope it doesn't turn into another gov piggy bank for them to use as they wish. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul isn't going to fly. Greg can you see if you can call Biden. I'm sure there are many ideas we can give him since he only has a few weeks to come up with a plan.

A few good ones are:
-End gun show over the shoulders sales. ID and a "gun card" to purchase a firearm.
-ID necassary to buy ammo.
-dealer card required for ammo purchases over 1500 rounds. 1000 rounds mil spec ammo.
-Ammo tax.
-Increase fines or stricter sentances for dealer that straw sell and or sell to restricted persons.
-Increase fines sentances for violators of safe handling if firearms are accessed by restricted persons.
-Reinforce laws on usage by restricted persons.
-Lose your right to own if you violate any safe requirements. Might be abit harsh. Maybe lose your guns instead of your right.
-Better instruction to get gun cards. Maybe a front sight or cc type class with a pass and fail format. Including target and stress training. Family members should attend if they will be living in the same household.
-Yearly gun card test and fee. Don't renew your license , your fees compound.
-higher taxes for " evil black rifles" and mil spec ammo
-special training and card requirered for semi auto, evil black rifles.
-enforce age requirments for ammo purchases.
-mental aptitude test required for card testing.