Put some timing in that thing and fire her up already

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I was thinking of you and cranked it an 1/8 of a turn........she said she had a head ache.

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Today I had to get a 1956 T bird running at work. I was told "she's good to go"! I fire it up and cough, spit, backfire, sputter & stall. I ask if the Timing is correct?? I am told.... "YUP IT IS" I fire it again and cough, spit, backfire, sputter & stall, I put a timing light on it ... I grab ahold of the dist and turned it about a 1/2-3/4" advance (Not telling you to do this)..... she purred like a kitten.. Then had to set points gap and dwell WOW how old am I last time I set points I was 19 and it was my own car LOLOL

I'd say hell yea

You could run a locked out dist and start it with 36 deg of timing if your starter is up to it so more timing should be your friend.

This car still doesn't run?:lol:

Compression, Timing, Fuel, Spark,

^^^^^What they said ^^^^^

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Monkeyless in Springtuckey :D

WTF Put that flag down !! And repeat after me...A CAR WILL NOT DEFEATE ME

LOL!

SEND ME YOUR F'N MONKEY ASAP!!!

I'm getting my butt kicked by Briggs & Stratton technology! :rofl: :rofl:

New parts.....
Lifters, guide plates, heads, springs, valves, cam (same grind), distributor, coil, wires, wire looms, intake, carb.........

I've altered the distributor by removing vacuum advance, installing 25* bushing, and quicker advance springs, double checked it and visually it appears ok. But these symptoms almost act like it's out of phase or is it possibly a defective distributor from the beginning.....testing methods? Weak/defective coil?

Checked one hyd. lifter and it was set approx. half turn in from zero lash.

Checked spark output on #1 plug it's not blue but strong yellow/orange?

Double checked TDC against rotor.

Cranked the p*ss out of it, starting fluid, carb squiters........wants to light then goes flat.

Cam degree wrong?

I may just have to take it to the shop that assembled it and say have at it boys. Conveniently they're right across the street from the body shop. :thumbsup:

The Monkey is on his way!! BUT remember he's retarded, (for the PC people it means "mentally challenged") so who knows where he'll end up. Now turn that dist 1/2" CCW and try again

HEY,, would it help if we put a kick starter on it??

It's been CCW to where it would just barely turn over with the charger on it, that's far enough isn't it? :D

I'm thinking a hand crank and your cousin's Gorilla might be in order. :unibrow:

Yup that'll be to far. We don't talk about the Gorilla :willy:

What are the chance of the new MSD Blaster SS coil being bad?
I put the ohm meter on +/- w/ meter on 200 omh = 0.8
On +/secondary w/ meter on 20K ohm = 4.49
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MSD specs for coil:

Turns ratio: 70:1

Primary resistance: .355 OHMs

Secondary resistance: 4.4K OHMs

Inductance: 6.9 mH

Maximum voltage: 40,000 Volts

Peak current: 300 mA

Spark duration: 220 uS
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Other possible defective items could be distributor's internal module, magnetic pick-up, and reluctor?

Anyone familiar with testing procedures for these?

When I tried to start the engine in my Camaro way back in the day, I spent a whole day trying to figure out what was wrong (it was fuel injected, so I was focused on all the potential issues with that), and it turned out that my MSD 6AL was bad. I just replaced it, when I felt like I had ruled out everything else and realized that I didn't have spark...

Good luck!

I think I found it! The resistor wire in the stock loom is the problem. I need to run a 12V lead switched off the ignition........

Now, have I washed the motor down enough to create an issue with the cam. :_paranoid

Hopefully not.

More later.

I had that same problem with my boat, it fired though, but when u got on it, it stumbled. Hope u get it goin today!

Could be that you need the full 12v. Have you verified spark at the plugs or at the end of the plug wires? Just pull a screw driver or nail into the end of the plug wire and set the nail close to the block or a spark plug crank the engine.

So I cut the new wire loom apart and replaced the wire from the bulkhead junction to the coil w/16 ga. and.........it still acts like it doesn't want to light. According to the wiring diagram the resistor wire terminates at the bulkhead. Am I reading it wrong?

No, I think you are reading it right. I replaced my original resistor wire a couple years back. It does not continue into the cabin beyond the bulkhead connector like that. Mine was a silver (aluminum?) Conductor with a white braided insulation.

Hang in there buddy, wish I had a solution for you.:cheers:

Thanks for the info. I'm doing fine, I tried it about 6 times, lit one good fire in the carb and walked away to fresh pesto artichoke and chicken thincrust pizza and an ice cold silver bullet. :thumbsup:

Sweet I'm glad to see you figured it out. I was sure this was your problem.:D
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We know how the Camaro vs Mustang thing pans out, but we ain't played Camaro's and Torino's yet have we? :D

I hope the RESISTOR wire doesn't go to ANY resistor unless you're so old fashioned that you still have a points distributor...

I'm beginning to wonder is you have power (Ignition) after you release the key... so you have power while you're in crank/start mode - and you're dropping power in the "run" position? That would drop power to the coil... and kill any hopes of firing off.


Just thinking out loud here.

No ballast resistor.

The key circuit is a very good thought.......I'll research that tomorrow.

In reflecting on my trouble shooting I've focused more on problems and solutions than symptoms and probable causes at times.....if that makes sense.

Thanks :thumbsup:

I'm wondering which engine harness was installed in the car and what alterations could have been made. I need to confirm the brand, part number, and optional harnesses and blueprint the current configuration.

:goofy:

Sorry, I thought I had read that you had spark earlier.

Not a problem........I did, but it was yellow which had my attention. After replacing the resistor wire and attempting to fire without starting fluid and getting similar results...........Greg's comment about the ignition switch makes sense with the symptoms. And there's no real rush as I'm on an extended vacation now. :unibrow:

Maybe run 12v from the battery straight to the coil and see if she fires. you'll have to remove the 12v wire from the battery for it to shut off

Looks like it's time to give the wife an active role in the project. :unibrow:

Haven't had a chance to work on it today, busy building the relationship with the Dane in anticipation of adoption.

I want to thoroughly understand what's going where with that engine harness, there was a yellow wire that was altered by the body shop :_paranoid

That makes sense to find the issue. Nice thing you're doing for that Dane.. Does REV aprove??

I'm a slow learner but once I understand look out. :rofl:

Never met a bad dog only one's that have been screwed up by humans. I'm in a position to be able to devote some time to this guy and he looks and acts like it will be well worth the effort. Very interesting breed!

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Rev will adapt but it appears do to shear sizedifference his best defense is a good offense. :D Think about it from his perspective........it's like Greg and his new truck. :rofl:

Oh, that's harsh. But funny. Good one.

Back to the problem, I got a harness for my chevelle that "would fire when the key was between the start and run position, indicating that it was a " different type" of wiring harness, leaving me seriously confused, till I ran a constant 12v to my hei. It was a switching issue with the hei as that's what our cars never came with, let alone the resistance issue....might be your prob.

Keep us posted. Btw, my two labs only want to hang in the garage with me till I fire it up..lol..then they run inside

I'm a slow learner but once I understand look out. Look out for what??:willy:

Never met a bad dog only one's that have been screwed up by humans. I'm in a position to be able to devote some time to this guy and he looks and acts like it will be well worth the effort. Very interesting breed!


So true.. My friend has had Great Danes all his life, great dogs and I know he'll have a great home with you Congrats!!


Rev will adapt but it appears do to shear size difference his best defense is a good offense. Think about it from his perspective........it's like Greg and his new truck.

You made me spit up again :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Now can we get back on track :_paranoid

:unibrow:

Yes we can get back on track. Tucker was coming into the garage and getting comfortable this afternoon. Considering his sensitivity and reputation for bolting I really don't want to fire the car with open headers right now and have him bolt through a door or wall. :thumbsup:

I'll work on the education side it's quieter.

Funny, my white lab is tucker. Fat and lazy and sooo cool

:thumbsup: :cheers:

Great find Scott!

You may need my truck to haul Tucker around!!


Now --- is that motor runnin' yet?


You've been goofing off with dogs... while I scrubbed off a complete set of PZeros.... and had Arie Luyendyk Jr drive the R8. He drove faster one handed in automatic mode while talking on the handheld - than I could with full concentration... I hate those guys!

Now off to SEMA!

Get that thing runnin' !!:rolleyes:

Thanks Greg, Tucker would not be out of scale riding on the deck of big white.

Just looked in the garage..........it's not runnin' yet.

Too much fun erasing good tires on track in an R8, life's good my friend! :thumbsup:

Jr. has a little more seat time. Braking-chassis balance-throttle-rythmn..........and relaxing to let it happen. :fluffy:

Have a great time at SEMA, really wanted to make this one for numerous reasons.

It will run.....besides it's the hunt not the kill that's fun. :unibrow:

NORWOOD HAS GONE TO THE DOGS :rolleyes:

For a little while........

Rev is adjusting well today, they've started playing a little since Tucker's feet are feeling better.........enough that Tucker played trucker this morning and I had to jump in the car to head him off. Couldn't get him close enough to leash him but stayed very positive and gentle and redirected him and he took off headed back towards the house as I followed in the truck........then he took a right turn and I'm thinking he's off but he came back into sight and headed to the house and into the backyard and was sitting at the door when I got there........ With the length of a Dane's stride they can put distance between you fast! He must have known I ordered him his own invisible fence collar about a half-house prior. The positive was he headed back HOME. He's already taking ownership and guarding when he notices any sound or activity outside.

Tomorrow we'll see if they'll be good "shop" dogs.