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LS7 Z/28 02-25-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordz32 (Post 538688)
2021 is a great clear, but I gotta ask, whats up with the quarts?

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Originally Posted by Musclerodz (Post 538700)
I like the end result of 2021, I just hate trying to get that first coat on. It doesn't play as nice as some of the other clears.

A lot of paint guys call it 2020-Run because it loves to sag after you get done with a panel. It looks great when it's buffed out, but it's not easy to lay down. It's going to look amazing on Mark's car though, those Dutchboys know what they are doing.

214Chevy 02-25-2014 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ketzer (Post 538676)
A lot of folks wonder why it costs so much to do a really nice paint job.
How much retail is that just in paint sitting on the table?


Jeff-

Jeff, a lot of folks don't understand why it even cost so much to simply build a car the right way and give it, it's due justice. I mean, a meager, mediocre build could creep up near or be $50k fast. And that's with cheaper or used, hand me down parts.

DOOM 02-26-2014 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DutchBoys (Post 538679)
You are exactly right, the days of a $5,000 paint job are long gone.
Sitting on that bench in paint at retail has to be in the $4,000-$5,000 range. And that isn't even including the other things it takes to do one. Sandpaper,tape,paper,plastic etc.

Some people just don't understand why it costs so much to paint a car. But when you wrap up 5-6 grand up in materials it really adds up on top the the hundreds of hours it takes to get the car into final paint.

:thumbsup:

Jeff I go through this everyday most people have no idea what this stuff cost! I don't do complete paint work anymore for that reason. There is a little over $4500.00 retail sitting on Pauls counter. When you tell people a ''GOOD'' repaint starts at 8-9 thousand they look at you like your crazy then I get '' I can get it way cheaper at MACCO why are you so much?'' I use to explain but I don't even bother anymore!:EmoteClueless:

MarkM66 02-26-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 214Chevelle (Post 538835)
Jeff, a lot of folks don't understand why it even cost so much to simply build a car the right way and give it, it's due justice. I mean, a meager, mediocre build could creep up near or be $50k fast. And that's with cheaper or used, hand me down parts.

You know it! And people cry that Barrett Jackson ruined it for the "average" car guy. It's the price of everything to build a car that's putting it out of reach! Paint supplies really are getting out of control... :lostmarbles:

:topic:

Blake Foster 02-26-2014 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 538866)
Jeff I go through this everyday most people have no idea what this stuff cost! I don't do complete paint work anymore for that reason. There is a little over $4500.00 retail sitting on Pauls counter. When you tell people a ''GOOD'' repaint starts at 8-9 thousand they look at you like your crazy then I get '' I can get it way cheaper at MACCO why are you so much?'' I use to explain but I don't even bother anymore!:EmoteClueless:

We are just ready to paint a 69 Camaro today in the shop and we are at 5000.00 in materials.?? go figure

DOOM 02-26-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Musclerodz (Post 538700)
I like the end result of 2021, I just hate trying to get that first coat on. It doesn't play as nice as some of the other clears.

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Originally Posted by Valve Lash (Post 538737)
A lot of paint guys call it 2020-Run because it loves to sag after you get done with a panel. It looks great when it's buffed out, but it's not easy to lay down. It's going to look amazing on Mark's car though, those Dutchboys know what they are doing.

I have to say we have no problem laying this clear down what so ever. My painter and I chose to use two different guns . I use IWATA LPH 400 1.3 tip and he uses the ''OLD'' SATA 2000 1.4 tip and we have zero problems. I have used SIKKENS AUTO CLEAR for years, and the 2021 spays out just as good.

Musclerodz 02-26-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 538894)
I have to say we have no problem laying this clear down what so ever. My painter and I chose to use two different guns . I use IWATA LPH 400 1.3 tip and he uses the ''OLD'' SATA 2000 1.4 tip and we have zero problems. I have used SIKKENS AUTO CLEAR for years, and the 2021 spays out just as good.

I have the same iwata gun with a 1.4 and that first coat just doesn't want to flow together unless I over reduce it which I hate to do. 2021 likes to build just as the first coat is layed, so if that first coat is not perfect, I have to do extra color sanding to get the texture out of it. Its not a deal breaker, but I never have that issue with Dupont Premier or Glasurit

Damn True 02-26-2014 11:41 AM

Just out of curiosity, what % of the whole is spent cutting & buffing the clear?

Ketzer 02-26-2014 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DutchBoys (Post 538679)
You are exactly right, the days of a $5,000 paint job are long gone.
Sitting on that bench in paint at retail has to be in the $4,000-$5,000 range. And that isn't even including the other things it takes to do one. Sandpaper,tape,paper,plastic etc.

Some people just don't understand why it costs so much to paint a car. But when you wrap up 5-6 grand up in materials it really adds up on top the the hundreds of hours it takes to get the car into final paint.

:thumbsup:

Thanks Paul! ..and everybody else that chimed in! I hoped you guys would share for the folks at home that have no idea, how the numbers add up so quickly.


Jeff-

Fbodyboy 02-26-2014 04:33 PM

Hot rod black
 
What do you use for paint on the firewall is that a single stage like sems hotrod black

Musclerodz 02-26-2014 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbodyboy (Post 538971)
What do you use for paint on the firewall is that a single stage like sems hotrod black

Since it is all PPG I am going to guess DBC9700 black and DCU2060 matte clear

Rick D 02-26-2014 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 538894)
I have to say we have no problem laying this clear down what so ever. My painter and I chose to use two different guns . I use IWATA LPH 400 1.3 tip and he uses the ''OLD'' SATA 2000 1.4 tip and we have zero problems. I have used SIKKENS AUTO CLEAR for years, and the 2021 spays out just as good.

:thankyou: :thankyou: :hello: :hello:

Oh and you have not sprayed Superior 250 clear!!! Nothing like it on the market, NOTHING!!!

You should still be using my clear buddy :twak: :poke: maybe some day you'll be ready to come back to the good stuff?? :knokwood: :hello:

pitts12driver 03-05-2014 07:11 PM

Great work! Looks amazing and coming along well.

JON Q 03-14-2014 07:13 AM

Camaro XV is looking good in red....

Stielow 03-16-2014 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SIXX (Post 541599)
Camaro XV is looking good in red....

The Dutchboys have the main body, doors and decklid painted.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps21a529f4.jpg

Stielow 03-16-2014 05:07 AM

Wiring
 
Ryan Kuhlenbeck is helping me with wiring so we are doing the whole system from scratch. It gives us the flexibility to put things where and how we want them.

Attached is a photo of the fuse boxes that will be mounted in the trunk. I'm tired of the fuse boxes under the dash where they are hard to get at. These are modular and can be wired on the bench.

Ryan has helped me on my last 5 builds so we have a good mature game plan on the wiring.

This allows all the power to be switched in the trunk and all the circuits we need for engine, ABS, Vapor Work Fuel controller, body wiring.....

All the Mil Spec connectors are cool and allow a modular build up.



http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps5694ded3.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps0f43060d.jpg

Rick D 03-16-2014 05:23 AM

Lookin good!! So do you think it will be out this year??? :innocent:

Stielow 03-16-2014 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 541875)
Lookin good!! So do you think it will be out this year??? :innocent:

Yes we are shooting for July.

Rick D 03-16-2014 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 541877)
Yes we are shooting for July.

WOW :hail: :hail: you better get going!!! Is the shed ready??

sleepertime 03-16-2014 05:54 AM

Wow, Once again raising the bar. The car is looking great. Lot's of inspiration when looking over your builds... Thanks for the updates.

:trophy-1302:

GregWeld 03-16-2014 07:33 AM

Well I certainly hope Charley approves of that red.


LOL

WSSix 03-16-2014 08:05 AM

Good luck getting it done by July! Love that darker red.

Che70velle 03-16-2014 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 541884)
Well I certainly hope Charley approves of that red.


LOL

I was just thinking the same thing...

waynieZ 03-16-2014 09:12 AM

The color looks great. Always something new to see and learn in your threads. It looks like a nice set up.

glassman 03-16-2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 541873)
Ryan Kuhlenbeck is helping me with wiring so we are doing the whole system from scratch. It gives us the flexibility to put things where and how we want them.

Attached is a photo of the fuse boxes that will be mounted in the trunk. I'm tired of the fuse boxes under the dash where they are hard to get at. These are modular and can be wired on the bench.

Ryan has helped me on my last 5 builds so we have a good mature game plan on the wiring.

This allows all the power to be switched in the trunk and all the circuits we need for engine, ABS, Vapor Work Fuel controller, body wiring.....

All the Mil Spec connectors are cool and allow a modular build up.



http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps5694ded3.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps0f43060d.jpg

I think your on to something here. How tough would it be to put this idea/part into production?

redsand 03-16-2014 10:01 AM

Come on...
 
Who doesn't like getting sick sitting upside down putting fuses in and banging your head on the column

redsand 03-16-2014 10:19 AM

Come on...
 
Who doesn't like getting sick sitting upside down putting fuses in and banging your head on the column

Ketzer 03-16-2014 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 541905)
I think your on to something here. How tough would it be to put this idea/part into production?

You are on to something, Mike. I think I like this better than the Isis.


Jeff-

GregWeld 03-16-2014 04:50 PM

With all the stuff we now like to stuff in our cars --- there's no reason whatsoever to have the fuse box up there too!

Plenty of room in the trunk up under the package tray -- and like others pointed out - who want to lay upside-down in the dark trying to see a fuse! Try it with bifocals on!


Nice looking stuff Mark!

clill 03-16-2014 05:48 PM

Try it laying inside the trunk.

GregWeld 03-16-2014 05:55 PM

This is in the trunk of a '69 Camaro -- why would you lay in the trunk?? Even I can reach in there and fix a fuse. But then again --- I built it that way. :>)





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ro/file-76.jpg

qship510 03-16-2014 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 541884)
Well I certainly hope Charley approves of that red.


LOL

VW color Mark?

Twinstang 03-17-2014 11:12 AM

Very nice build keep the pics coming

Garage Dog 65 03-17-2014 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 541968)

I love how you can start your car from the trunk Greg ! Nice mod !

:peepwall:

:mock:

Jim

carbuff 03-17-2014 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Garage Dog 65 (Post 542138)
I love how you can start your car from the trunk Greg ! Nice mod !

:lmao:

preston 03-17-2014 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 541968)
This is in the trunk of a '69 Camaro -- why would you lay in the trunk?? Even I can reach in there and fix a fuse. But then again --- I built it that way. :>)





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ro/file-76.jpg



Where are all the other amplifiers ? :lol:

lilcraigford 03-18-2014 09:12 AM

Another red one! I'm looking forward to seeing more. I really really like the fusebox relocation. Its funny, all of that space in the trunk staring me in the face when I intended to sacrifice my glovebox.

Swain 03-18-2014 09:29 AM

What AAW kit # is this. Like the look of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 541968)
This is in the trunk of a '69 Camaro -- why would you lay in the trunk?? Even I can reach in there and fix a fuse. But then again --- I built it that way. :>)





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ro/file-76.jpg


NovaBlue71 03-18-2014 07:02 PM

Looks like a Highway 22 kit. We have installed at few at shop and they are nice.:thumbsup:

Stielow 03-28-2014 06:59 AM

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb0c02894.jpg
This is the rendering of my new project. We came up with this layout with help of the Dutchboys and Pfaff. We wanted to show the Anvil carbon fiber front clip by showing the carbon parts with the strip in raw carbon. We are also leaving the mirrors, rear bumpers and deck spoiler exposed carbon fiber. The wheels are Finspeeds one piece mono blocks so I can get a 18” wheel to clear the Brembo carbon ceramic brakes. The Anvil front lower valance also enables more air flow to keep the Thomson Auto 427 LS engine cool. The Dutchboys have the body painted and we will be laying out the stripes next week.


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