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WSSix 06-11-2020 04:29 PM

I was looking like a genius earlier this week. Now, I'm wondering if this is the start of another dip. I wasn't expecting another until 2nd quarter numbers rolled in.

rustomatic 06-18-2020 10:39 AM

Too look "like a genius," you needed to go to a bar or a really crowded beach party in the last two or three weeks. Then, you would have been able to be super-current with coronavirus.

Everyone likes to get in at the bottom to make the most of the uptick . . .

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 704249)
I was looking like a genius earlier this week. Now, I'm wondering if this is the start of another dip. I wasn't expecting another until 2nd quarter numbers rolled in.


frankv11 07-08-2020 02:01 AM

back on LG to check up this thread. so back in 2008 I procrastinated and bought nothing on stock even though I wanted too. so any how this time around I bought a few just to get my foot in the door. CVX , UAl , BA ..... again waited a bit more than I should have to buy but at least finally did.

question to the stock gurus here , what stocks to buy or look into in tech / 5g and not talking the Microsofts of the world . more like new young companies with fresh ideas.

ErikLS2 07-08-2020 01:14 PM

Would love this discussion to incorporate the sharing of different prospects/ideas. This pandemic has fast forwarded how we do things by maybe 5 years. I'm no expert but I've been easing into these since March as I see them as having long term business footholds, most have done incredibly well.

WORK
TTD
ZM
TDOC
QQQ (bulk of my bet)

Some older purchases
TWLO (+600%, I was soo smart, haha! :trophy-1302:)
OKTA
PYPL
COST
FB
APPL
GOOGL

Some losers
GM
LUV
WFC

XLexusTech 07-08-2020 04:33 PM

Doing a little offset selling right now.. trading long term losses in and taking the equivalent in gains form long term winners to mitigate tax burdens.

I am curious if people have an opinion on the election and impact on the market.

My prediction is Trump wins market will see big gains then level out..
Biden wins and market with spiral and take a few years to recover.

thoughts appreciated..

AMSOILGUY 07-08-2020 10:30 PM

MRVL is my 5G bet.

ErikLS2 07-09-2020 07:45 AM

MRVL is one of the best 5G bets.

I think if Biden wins it'll negatively impact the market, but probably not in a huge way.

SSLance 01-28-2021 08:56 AM

So, the last couple of days watching what is going on with WallStreetBets and Gamestop has been entertaining AND made me even more thankful that Greg talked me into Growth Dividend Investing vs trying to gamble on the market.

Hope you all are well. Should be another interesting year right?

BonzoHansen 01-28-2021 09:30 AM

I was considering bringing this up. Its silliness. Fun to watch. I suspect there are a lot of shenanigans going on behinds the wall to thwart the little guys.

WSSix 01-28-2021 05:40 PM

No doubt, Scott. I'm a little concerned about the long term ramifications of what WSB is doing. I'm afraid the SEC etc won't respond correctly. Otherwise, I'm sitting here watching the drama unfold, loving the silliness of the replies on that subreddit, and hoping some people really stick it to the hedge funds. They are definitely well beyond investing 102, lol.

BonzoHansen 01-28-2021 07:08 PM

reading the reddit stuff has entertained me for a few days.

"This is like fight club, but with stonks" - reddit user.


an interesting take.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enLi...DD4QX6TcAhj1cE

JKnight 01-28-2021 09:26 PM

All week I’ve been thinking, “I wonder what GW would have to say about all this?”. In all reality, I have an idea what he’d say, but I know he’d say it more succinctly than I could. Stay the course, invest in companies you understand and leave the gambling to the Vegas blackjack table. It’s been super interesting to watch, but it’s not the “investing” he so eloquently detailed in this thread.

JKnight 01-28-2021 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SSLance (Post 709991)
So, the last couple of days watching what is going on with WallStreetBets and Gamestop has been entertaining AND made me even more thankful that Greg talked me into Growth Dividend Investing vs trying to gamble on the market.

Hope you all are well. Should be another interesting year right?

How did the Covid-driven pullback in Early 2020 affect your div stocks Lance? Did many of them reduce or completely kill their div payments? I know I’ll miss my 6% divs from Ford stock, but the return from dollar cost averaging my F position in March and April more than made up for the lack of dividend.

SSLance 01-29-2021 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JKnight (Post 710019)
How did the Covid-driven pullback in Early 2020 affect your div stocks Lance? Did many of them reduce or completely kill their div payments? I know I’ll miss my 6% divs from Ford stock, but the return from dollar cost averaging my F position in March and April more than made up for the lack of dividend.

Most of mine held their course pretty well. We tried to make some more buys even in the early stages and were a bit late on arching the dip. Still very happy with our choices though.

My wife picked out and bought some STX which gas done fantastic for her. The sin stocks have been a great segment to be in last 12 months...

WSSix 01-29-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JKnight (Post 710018)
All week I’ve been thinking, “I wonder what GW would have to say about all this?”. In all reality, I have an idea what he’d say, but I know he’d say it more succinctly than I could. Stay the course, invest in companies you understand and leave the gambling to the Vegas blackjack table. It’s been super interesting to watch, but it’s not the “investing” he so eloquently detailed in this thread.

Yeah, that's exactly what he'd say. Sure, there are people getting lucky. Even deep****ingvalue is admitting he got lucky and didn't anticipate this type of a reaction. WSJ has done an interview or story on him. Fun read.

The volatility has caused my other stocks to drop a little bit which is a buying opportunity for me. Not as great as last spring with the COVID drop, but a buying opportunity all the same.

toy71camaro 06-25-2021 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JKnight (Post 710019)
How did the Covid-driven pullback in Early 2020 affect your div stocks Lance? Did many of them reduce or completely kill their div payments? I know I’ll miss my 6% divs from Ford stock, but the return from dollar cost averaging my F position in March and April more than made up for the lack of dividend.

I think I only had 1 change their Divvy, but it was WFC, who was in hot water anyways.

Was able to pick up a few things on sale, and get my parents on board with Div investing too. Happened to be at just the right time for them.

slimjim 06-25-2021 08:35 PM

This thread has lost a lot of traction as of late, which is surprising considering the opportunities that have arisen this year.

The hunt for COVID-stricken stocks yet to bounce back has been a good one for me.

And on more of a controversial note, I started researching crypto-currencies somewhere in the earlier stages of the last bull-run. They're a roller coaster I don't hear much about here, which is odd considering the amount of crypto wealth I see poured into the car-scene.

WSSix 06-27-2021 07:48 PM

It's lost traction because it's basically covered everything it needed to. Remember, I started this simply looking for investment knowledge. This was never about picking stocks as much as it was about learning what to do with money that's available for investing. That knowledge is still applicable today through all of these turbulent times.

I'm glad people are still checking in. Thank you. I hope this thread continues to help people the way it helped me.

68454RS 06-28-2021 06:24 AM

I have no clue what i'm doing but on the prodding of friends. I opened a TD Ameritrade account and bought some GMGI stocks. Anyone else own any?
Anyone want to recommend some low buck "starter" stocks to play with?

dhutton 06-28-2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 68454RS (Post 713544)
I have no clue what i'm doing but on the prodding of friends. I opened a TD Ameritrade account and bought some GMGI stocks. Anyone else own any?
Anyone want to recommend some low buck "starter" stocks to play with?

Best advice I can give you is to go back to the beginning of this thread and read what Greg had to say. Reading and following his advice was a game changer for me. Retired early at 58 thanks to him.

Don

68454RS 06-28-2021 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dhutton (Post 713545)
Best advice I can give you is to go back to the beginning of this thread and read what Greg had to say. Reading and following his advice was a game changer for me. Retired early at 58 thanks to him.

Don

Thanks, That was some good reading. I'm small beans right now but i've been putting about 20% in my company 401K.
I just dabbled a little and bought $500 worth of Kinder Morgan and $500 worth of AT&T. already had $1000 worth of the GMGI.
I know this is pretty much nothing in the real world but, I'll play more every week as I feel more comfortable.
If nothing else, my daughter might see some returns when she inherits my accounts.

Vegas69 06-28-2021 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 383791)
Okay -- only because Tracy said I had to chime in -- I will do as I'm told. :D


So -- this answer is one that I say to you -- well.... it all "depends". So without writing a book -- let's take a real BASIC look at savings.

A person needs to think of savings as various BUCKETS of money.

A bucket of money needs to be for "emergencies" -- and this bucket - just like the other buckets we'll get to - needs to be 'adjusted' to meet the needs of the owner. I don't need an emergency bucket. I have plenty of money. Most need some kind of "quick and easy to get to money" -- that needs to be taken care of first. Whether it's $500 or $5000... is up to you. This really needs to be funded by the people that can afford it the least - i.e., the guy with maxed out credit cards!

Another bucket is the retirement bucket.... you seem to be working on that. BTW -- Don't be afraid to put more into this bucket. You do not need to be limited to the 15% you're doing at work. The only thing you're doing to fund more than your limits is that you're putting in AFTER TAX money. Dude - when you retire - and you're all set for life - you won't give a damn what you're living on - the point is that you will have it! So max your workplace and then see if you qualify for a ROTH IRA... which is after tax savings that comes OUT tax free...

THEN -- you really asked about INVESTMENTS.... again - this depends - real estate is ILLIQUID... so unless you have a bunch of dough and are just looking to diversify - fugedaboudit. If you want some liquidity -- with GROWTH in your capital - and get paid to "wait" - get yourself a Schwab account - or some other discount broker - and buy yourself some big cap dividend paying stocks. The rule of investing is to never put more than 5% of your TOTAL INVESTABLE MONEY (all of your investable money not just what's in this particular account!) into ONE investment. That way - if you lost it all (all of one investment) you're not hurt. Pigs get fat - hogs get slaughtered. Ask the builders that loaded up on dirt before the real estate crash - because they ain't makin' any more of it they'd tell ya! Dumbasses...

I'd buy STOCKS for dividend AND growth... so look at a CHART of any company you're interested in... see that over the LONG RUN (like 10 years) the chart is lower on the left and rises as it goes to the right! Forget about the dips in 07/08 - every stock you look at will have that. But lets look at Kinder Morgan Partners - NYSE symbol KMP - there is a nice chart... AND it pays 5.86% (based on todays price) which is $1.16 per share per quarter. So if you bought 50 shares - every 3 months you'd get a dividend of $58 (you're getting paid to wait - you're waiting for the share price to appreciate!). Yeah I own it.

I'd also look at AT&T (symbol T) - pays about 6% dividend. Is "steady" price wise. Great place to park money and be relatively sure it's going to still be there - good market or bad. Again - you get paid to wait. Yeah I own it.

So that's what I'd be doing. Diversify - don't buy TWO oil stocks -- buy ONE - Then get a consumer food stock -- Coke (KO) or Pepsi (PEP) or McDonalds (MCD). Funny -- people laugh when I tell 'em to buy McDonalds -- the stock is UP 125% in the last 5 years! AND you get a .61 a share per quarter dividend! So here's the deal -- it's what I ALWAYS look for.... if they don't pay a dividend - I'm not a buyer - and if the dividend is "low" (like MCD's is) then I want the growth to be there.... I'll take STEADY (AT&T) but then I want a higher dividend. Does that make sense?

Then --- DO NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN TRADING - DO NOT PANIC - DO NOT LISTEN TO THE GROCERY STORE CLERK TELLING YOU ABOUT THEIR LATEST BIG MARKET HIT.... RUN AWAY from those people! DO NOT BUY GOLD... IF THEY MAKE A TV SHOW ABOUT SOMETHING (House flipping?) RUN FOR THE HILLS... DO NOT INVEST IN IT. YOU'RE ALREADY TOO LATE!

There is no get rich quick scheme. Steady Eddy whens the race. LONG TERM is not 15 minutes. Buy good quality big names that you know and understand - with good charts and good dividends. Then sit back and laugh at the losers when they're broke and you're not.


Oh -- and make sure you check the little box when you buy "REINVEST THE DIVIDEND". That way every time they pay you - they buy more of their stock automatically for you - more shares - more dividends - which buy more shares which pay more dividends...

If you buy a stock and it's value DOUBLES (just an example) then sell the "gain" and buy something else. Nobody ever went broke taking a profit. It helps you to diversify - and keeps each investment in that 5% bracket.

There's a lot more to it -- and more details etc - but them's the basics. Stay thirsty my friend!

:cheers:

The best advice is always seems to be the simplest. Thank you for the wisdom Greg and for the reminder Don.

Roscoe03 06-28-2021 02:50 PM

This thread and Greg's wealth of knowledge and him taking the time to contribute to this thread for newbies like myself is what go me started in stock investing. That was 10 years ago now and I still employ his ideas every time I make an investment.

68454RS 06-28-2021 05:28 PM

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if they don't pay a dividend - I'm not a buyer
I read that and then wonder about a stock like Tesla which shows no dividend payout but i'm hearing it's a good stock to buy in if you can catch it in a dip.. am I not understanding things?

dhutton 06-28-2021 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 68454RS (Post 713569)
I read that and then wonder about a stock like Tesla which shows no dividend payout but i'm hearing it's a good stock to buy in if you can catch it in a dip.. am I not understanding things?

Basically the thinking is there is a difference between being an investor and a stock trader. Investors pick steady rising stocks that pay a decent dividend and hold them while reinvesting the dividends versus stock traders chasing the next hot stock.

Don

srode1 06-29-2021 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 68454RS (Post 713569)
I read that and then wonder about a stock like Tesla which shows no dividend payout but i'm hearing it's a good stock to buy in if you can catch it in a dip.. am I not understanding things?

avoiding non dividend or low dividend paying stocks will ensure a person misses cycles where there is a huge opportunity for investment growth. I think the key to stocks like this is making sure they are an appropriate portion of your portfolio considering your time horizon and rebalancing your portfolio periodically to make sure they don't become overly weighted when/if they take off.

The FANG stocks over the last few years have been a great opportunity as an example and none of them pay much of a dividend. I'm retired and I own some of those as individual stocks and inside funds. I've rebalanced a couple times in the last 2 years because they became too large a portion of my investments and I think their growth will slow.

Tesla is an interesting stock that I haven't invested in unfortunately, I still think it's overvalued though and won't go after it especially with the rising competition. While I could be making a mistake on that one, I'm sticking to my guns on that choice.

SSLance 06-29-2021 01:32 PM

I also have this thread and GW to thank tremendously for our portfolio's growth over the past 7 years or so.

I had dabbled in the market quite a bit before and had my arse handed to me several times as well as made a bunch of money and was fed up with the market and sitting 100% in cash when I stumbled upon this thread.

Here I learned how to do Dividend Growth investing the proper way and have been making that happen ever since. The past few years have been outstanding for us and I don't see it stopping any time soon. I still sleep soundly every night and even Covid didn't sway me from our strategy...it's that sound.

I will say that I've ventured out and invested some of the other cash we had laying around in different investment avenues recently, but this was purely a way to diversify a bit more and I didn't take any Dividend Growth money out to play these other fields.

dhutton 06-29-2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by srode1 (Post 713582)
avoiding non dividend or low dividend paying stocks will ensure a person misses cycles where there is a huge opportunity for investment growth. I think the key to stocks like this is making sure they are an appropriate portion of your portfolio considering your time horizon and rebalancing your portfolio periodically to make sure they don't become overly weighted when/if they take off.

The FANG stocks over the last few years have been a great opportunity as an example and none of them pay much of a dividend. I'm retired and I own some of those as individual stocks and inside funds. I've rebalanced a couple times in the last 2 years because they became too large a portion of my investments and I think their growth will slow.

Tesla is an interesting stock that I haven't invested in unfortunately, I still think it's overvalued though and won't go after it especially with the rising competition. While I could be making a mistake on that one, I'm sticking to my guns on that choice.

Sounds like you didn’t read what Greg wrote. :) Keep in mind is that his advice and this thread is for relative newbies as opposed to well heeled seasoned folks who can tolerate a higher level of risk.

Maybe you guys who want to go more advanced should start your own Investing 103 thread…. :)

Don

srode1 06-29-2021 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dhutton (Post 713603)
Sounds like you didn’t read what Greg wrote. :) Keep in mind is that his advice and this thread is for relative newbies as opposed to well healed seasoned folks who can tolerate a higher level of risk.

Maybe you guys who want to go more advanced should start your own Investing 103 thread…. :)

Don

Good point, I spoke without understanding the context of this thread well, my bad. I did read it, and it's quite good. :) Just offering my opinion in response to the Tesla question, a stock with Zero dividends. I do think Tesla is not a great choice for a fairly new investor to - it certainly doesn't match the advice Greg has given earlier in the thread which is great.

ricer 09-16-2021 06:13 AM

I have a slightly different question. My in-laws sold a rental property they had for a long time and decided to give the money to our two kids. They are only 13/11 yrs old and already have a college savings account for them. My wife and I were thinking of putting into a trust account with all the typical stipulations about using it for additional schooling if needed, house purchase, etc before 25yrs old and can do whatever after that. Ideally it would be nice to have the account grow even larger for them but don’t want to risk the money since it’s a substantial amount and it gives them a huge head start in life.

Does anyone have any other options that may be more beneficial on the growth side with low risk?

Vegas69 09-16-2021 10:54 AM

If it was me, I'd probably dollar average into a good index fund and let it ride for 12-15 years. I'd also consider having a chunk of the money unavailable until the kids are 30+. It could really set them up.

Perhaps you split the money up. A conservative account for college and an index fund for the rest.

The older I get, the more I realize its a simple game of time in the market and inflation in regards to stocks and real estate.

AMSOILGUY 09-17-2021 02:08 AM

I may be crazy but it sounds like they already have a great head start. They can afford to take risk. I would shoot for the moon with a custodial brokerage account.

ricer 09-17-2021 06:03 AM

Yeah they are extremely fortunate, and I don’t think they will ever realize just how much of a boost this will be to their lives when they are older and know about the accounts. I get the whole can afford to take the risk but our reservations over all of it is we don’t want to be greedy yet at the same time would like it to grow more than a “savings” account could offer. I feel like the market is due for a correction so that’s why I was steering away from market based options.

dhutton 09-17-2021 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ricer (Post 715043)
Yeah they are extremely fortunate, and I don’t think they will ever realize just how much of a boost this will be to their lives when they are older and know about the accounts. I get the whole can afford to take the risk but our reservations over all of it is we don’t want to be greedy yet at the same time would like it to grow more than a “savings” account could offer. I feel like the market is due for a correction so that’s why I was steering away from market based options.

A correction will be long recovered in 15 years. Don’t let inflation steal meager gains.

Don

WSSix 09-17-2021 07:03 PM

x2 pull of a simple Index fund that tracks the S&P500. Start at 2006 and look at today. If another 2007-10 starts tomorrow, they'll be more than fine by the time they hit 25. Diversify and get in already. There's no reason to be scared when you have time on your side and don't need the money. Good luck to you and the family.

XLexusTech 01-16-2022 06:46 AM

Can we talk about tax Strategies . If new thread required LMK
 
Let's say you have followed all the things defined in this thread and you are sitting on a 7 or 8 figure nest egg. Some in retirement accounts like 401k Roth ect some not, some in long term cap gains some in short term.

Can we talk about Tax strategies ?
How do they differ when you're still making a good employment income?
How do they change when you have no employment income?
Pros and Cons of IRA to Roth conversion ladder..?

Vegas69 05-12-2022 05:31 PM

Are you boys heaping in or waiting on the sidelines to invest any real coin?

ADY 05-12-2022 08:49 PM

Sitting and waiting for some floor to be established...will likely start nibbling back slowly.

:popcorn2:

frankv11 05-12-2022 11:06 PM

Got my SS handed to me . Lost the battle not war , so I’m sitting and gathering ammo ready to deploy.

srode1 05-13-2022 03:27 AM

I think the bottom is a ways off yet, probably the 3rd quarter 2022. Not trying to catch this falling knife but I am starting to think about choices when the bottom becomes more apparent. Timing the market is a fools game but in this case I'm going to play the fool with my play money and hold off for a while.


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