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Nessumsar 05-07-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 412416)
So, just a little insite on what Vince is talking about. The roll center on the stock subframes on first gen Camaro's is 2" below ground. Optimum would be 2" above ground. Vince is going to model a subframe with correct geometry on his computer software and we will rebuild accordingly. After Buttonwillow this year we will be modifying my front stock subframe. We will be modifying the attachment points of the control arms, going to a coil over shock, work on recessing an adjustable front sway bar into the underside of the subframe, and then possibly recessing the modified stock subframe into the car approximately 2".

Oh really? ;)

:cheers:

Track Junky 05-07-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nessumsar (Post 412582)
Oh really? ;)

:cheers:

:lol: Yes Jon, I know you've already done this so I will most likely be in touch with you for info when the time comes. :cheers:

GregWeld 05-07-2012 12:37 PM

Ever heard of the Gulstrand mod??

Just saying'


:cheers:

Track Junky 05-07-2012 01:39 PM

That will definitely be a piece of the puzzle Greg, at least for the upper arms, but I've heard that the lower arms get raised upward 3/4" and outward 3/4". I'd like to see this all drawn up and explained to me. In addition I think that this will be a pretty cool little educational project during the off season..

Vince@Meanstreets 05-07-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 412466)
Hyperco does carry coil over springs in 10" up to 900 lbs but they are 2 1/2" I.D. I imagine 1/8" shouldn't be a big deal. Thanks for letting me know.

you should not be required to run a high spring rate after all the chassic stiffening we are planning.

Sieg 05-07-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 412613)
That will definitely be a piece of the puzzle Greg, at least for the upper arms, but I've heard that the lower arms get raised upward 3/4" and outward 3/4". I'd like to see this all drawn up and explained to me. In addition I think that this will be a pretty cool little educational project during the off season..

Gaetano,

I'm assuming you've read this?
http://www.pozziracing.com/first_gen...e.htm#Geometry

sik68 05-07-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 412416)
So, just a little insite on what Vince is talking about. The roll center on the stock subframes on first gen Camaro's is 2" below ground. Optimum would be 2" above ground. Vince is going to model a subframe with correct geometry on his computer software and we will rebuild accordingly. After Buttonwillow this year we will be modifying my front stock subframe. We will be modifying the attachment points of the control arms, going to a coil over shock, work on recessing an adjustable front sway bar into the underside of the subframe, and then possibly recessing the modified stock subframe into the car approximately 2".

In the mean time...After my last Thunderhill track day in April I changed my front alignment settings and raised my rear roll center by raising the watts pivot. I couldn't wait till July 1st for my next track day so I will be heading back to Thunderhill on May 19th. Target lap times to be in the 2:04's which means I will need to shave at least 2.5 seconds off of a best 2:07.4 last time out.

Oh, and the LS Vince posted, dont believe it. :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 412613)
That will definitely be a piece of the puzzle Greg, at least for the upper arms, but I've heard that the lower arms get raised upward 3/4" and outward 3/4". I'd like to see this all drawn up and explained to me. In addition I think that this will be a pretty cool little educational project during the off season..

Sounds like an awesome plan! :bow: And that lexan + decklid are going to be sweet...but I thought it's to offset the weight of a subwoofer?

Track Junky 05-07-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 412618)
Gaetano,

I'm assuming you've read this?
http://www.pozziracing.com/first_gen...e.htm#Geometry

Thanks Sieg, I've scrolled over Dave's stuff quite a few times. I'm pretty sure we will be doing the Guldstrand mod but who knows what else Vince has up his sleeve. 7 months is a lot of time to get ourselves into trouble. :unibrow:

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Originally Posted by sik68 (Post 412620)
Sounds like an awesome plan! :bow: And that lexan + decklid are going to be sweet.

Thanks Steven. The cool thing is that I will be putting it to the test so we will know for sure what kind of benefeits these changes will make by comparing to this years lap times. :thumbsup:

Sieg 05-07-2012 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 412621)
Thanks Sieg, I've scrolled over Dave's stuff quite a few times. I'm pretty sure we will be doing the Guldstrand mod but who knows what else Vince has up his sleeve. 7 months is a lot of time to get ourselves into trouble. :unibrow:

Figured you had that bible, just making sure. I'm watching this very closely as I'm leaning towards a stock subframe, aftermarket arms, coil-overs, and splined bar also. :thumbsup:

Flash68 05-07-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 412613)
In addition I think that this will be a pretty cool little educational project during the off season..

Off season? There is no off season in CALIFORNIA. :lol:


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