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bonecrrusher 02-24-2013 10:35 AM

Thanks for the info - yeah I can see a lot of planning would have to go into that small package.

I was kind of thinking of getting that gt500 fan setup and install when I get around to buying/installing the Edelbrock blower kit for my LSx motor in the Vette.

RussMurco 02-25-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lous69 (Post 455188)

Whoa! Glad I saw this, I had no idea that the Wilwoods had no dust-boots on the calipers!

Lous69 02-25-2013 10:34 AM

I know Wilwood offers a line of brakes that do have dust boots.

I'm no brake expert but I think you might find that the highest performance product offerings from several brake companies utilize seals vs. dust boots. I'm sure they have good reasons for doing so.

Of course, each person needs to select the parts that best meet their specific needs and purpose. No one design is necessarily better than the other until the use of the product is considered.

OEM applications typically use dust boots so I would guess the reasons you want dust seals mirrors what the majority of people desire for their applications.

RussMurco 02-25-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lous69 (Post 467030)
I know Wilwood offers a line of brakes that do have dust boots.

I'm no brake expert but I think you might find that the highest performance product offerings from several brake companies utilize seals vs. dust boots. I'm sure they have good reasons for doing so.

Of course, each person needs to select the parts that best meet their specific needs and purpose. No one design is necessarily better than the other until the use of the product is considered.

OEM applications typically use dust boots so I would guess the reasons you want dust seals mirrors what the majority of people desire for their applications.

I couldn't agree more! My Firebird won't be hounding the Stielows, Pozzis, or Tuckers on autocross tracks and will spend 99.5% of it's life on regular roads where I plan to drive in all sorts of traffic and weather conditions. That means lots of dirt, dust, moisture, and brake dust so these wouldn't be a good choice for my build. Your car is way beyond anything I'm building, and I love it!

parsonsj 02-25-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou
I'm no brake expert but I think you might find that the highest performance product offerings from several brake companies utilize seals vs. dust boots. I'm sure they have good reasons for doing so.

Wilwood uses stainless steel pistons so that dust boots aren't needed. The reason for that is that dust boots will melt at high temperatures, including the temps that occur during a typical HPDE. The Brembos on my Z06 don't have dust boots either, and for the same reason.

Rickerbucks 02-25-2013 07:10 PM

Why do so many folks go with Wildwood versus a Brembo system? Used Brembo four piston systems of a Camaro, CTS-V, Challenger etc are fairly plentiful to find on ebay.

What about C5 or c6 corvette brakes.

I must confess I REALLY like the look and size of the new CTSV brakes.

Just curious

Matt@BOS 02-25-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickerbucks (Post 467130)
Why do so many folks go with Wildwood versus a Brembo system? Used Brembo four piston systems of a Camaro, CTS-V, Challenger etc are fairly plentiful to find on ebay.

What about C5 or c6 corvette brakes.

I must confess I REALLY like the look and size of the new CTSV brakes.

Just curious

The Camaro and CTS-V brakes don't bolt directly onto the C6 spindles that are used on a wide variety of aftermarket subframes.

Wilwood has kits for a ton of applications and seem to provide good value for their price.

For those worried about the dust seal debate, I don't think it as big an issue as some make it out to be. I have 50,000 miles on a set of AP Racing brakes with no issue.

Matt

RussMurco 02-25-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj (Post 467050)
Wilwood uses stainless steel pistons so that dust boots aren't needed. The reason for that is that dust boots will melt at high temperatures, including the temps that occur during a typical HPDE. The Brembos on my Z06 don't have dust boots either, and for the same reason.

I've never seen boots melt on a properly functioning caliper under any circumstances but I have seen them melt on cars that had worn through all of the pad material. The boots are only 1/16-1/8" from the piston seals, if it's too hot for a boot the seal would melt too.

Perhaps I'm too cautious but I'll err on the side of caution when it comes to brakes.

Lous69 04-05-2013 10:55 PM

It’s a good time for an update.

The QUADRALink and brake lines have been installed.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_024.JPG

The DSE subframe, loaded with it's ZL1 spec. LSA crate motor and T56 Magnum was reunited with the car to create a roller again.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s...2.20.13_24.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_057.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_101.JPG

The wiring and plumbing is well underway and almost complete.

The goal is to achieve an OEM look without a lot of clutter.

That requires a lot of thoughtful mounting of components and routing of the associated plumbing and wiring.

Fortunately, that is one of Trevor’s specialties at V8TV.

The battery and VaporWorx control module were mounted behind the rear seat.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_007.JPG

The ash tray became home for the fuse panel.

The Dakota Digital VHX gauge modules are mounted in the glove compartment.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_001.JPG

Trevor fabricated a bracket and mounted the Vintage Air dryer to the cowl inside the passenger fender area.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s...2.07.13_05.JPG

The Meziere intercooler pump was mounted to the rear passenger side of the core support.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s...2.07.13_08.JPG

AC and heater hoses were run inside passenger fender.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_013.JPG

In order to keep overall fan noise down, we decided to employ Pulse Width
Modulation (PWM) control of the radiator fans instead of discreet,
two speed fan controls.

That will allow the fans to only run as fast as needed to keep things cool.

To do so, we are using the same PWM fan control modules used on all C6 Corvettes and reprogramming the E67 Engine Control Module that came with our crate motor so it can drive the PWM fan modules instead of conventional fan relays.

The fan control modules are mounted inside the passenger fender as shown.

The picture only shows one module but there will be another one mounted on the other side of the same bracket.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_017.JPG

The Hydratech brake assist and Wilwood master cylinder mounted as expected.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_118.JPG

As much wiring as possible was run through the driver side fender to keep things sanitary under the hood.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_113.JPG

The engine is set pretty far back.

So much so, the DSE wiper motor will not fit in the stock location so that will be relocated to the cowl area inside the driver fender.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_132.JPG

It's all beginning to look like a serious Pro-Touring machine. It won't be long and it will all be taken apart again…… this time for body and paint.

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_125.JPG

http://v8tvshow.com/1969_Camaro_LC/s....22.13_112.JPG

Greg from Aus 04-06-2013 02:30 AM

Looking great, nice clean job on all the hose and wire routing.

Greg


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