I think it's extremely simplistic to just generalize any set of voters into these giant buckets. The conservative view seems to be that all of the takers, aka anyone dependent on the government will vote democratic, including anyone on social security, having medicare, unemployment, welfare etc.

The liberal view is that anyone who votes republican is either a super rich person, an old person, or virtually anyone from the south, who they feel is too stupid to know better.

There is certainly elements of truth to these just like most generalizations but it's naive to believe it and apply it the way you guys are. Old people for example are in both buckets!

The thing is, some of you same people calling out the president for dividing people up, and us vs them, you then go on to divide people up into makers vs takers, fools vs non fools etc. What is it, are we one America or are we split up along some mysterious line?

You have reasons for wanting a different president, and some of you are able to express why and I can see how that is an entirely valid viewpoint. Few people here seem willing or capable of understanding why someone would vote for Obama.

Right now the doers are OK with being bent over by the government, until that changes, there will be no change.

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The animosities and complications of mutually respecting others values and rights and agreeing to cooperate for betterment of a given region region appears to be lost in the large metro areas among those with higher levels of education and wealth.

Fortunately I have numerous friends established in many smaller farm and ranch communities all around the state of Oregon. When I need to decompress and get back to the core fundamentals and values, those communities are where I chose to spend my vacation time. IMO the "solutions" of compromise are much simpler than what the micro-managing "well educated metro's" have nurtured.

I'm not throwing stones, that's just what works for me and my family and I feel very fortunate to have those genuine relationships. :thumbsup:

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Congress ultimatley decides what gets done in this country. They have way more influence that the President by himself. Until the democrats and republicans in congress can work together, nothing positive will ever get done.

They all need to stop fighting against each others views and policies just because the plan or policy came form the "other team", and do what is right for the country....until that happens, we are all screwed no matter who holds the presidency.

I voted for Obama the first time.....he has unquestionably let me down.... the presidency was prime for the taking....a lob pitch across the plate.....and the best that the Republican could do was Mitt Romney? You guys want to point fingers, then point it at the Republican party for not having a candidate that could win the Presidency when it was prime for the taking....

I like Schiff and have read his books but man he gets a little extreme sometimes.

Absolutely, Ned. Same here. I voted for the lesser of 2 disasters. None of the above was the obvious choice to anyone paying attention. :unibrow:

Not only a lob across the plate ONCE.... BUT in the LAST TWO elections!!



And I couldn't agree with you more about CONGRESS (House and Senate). People in the USA just don't understand that this is a FAR MORE IMPORTANT VOTE than for the POTUS.

THAT is why our education system needs an overhaul! We teach all manor of STUFF -- but people can't do or understand BASICS.

I see half the guys on this board using "their" (as in THEMSELVES) - "there" (as in a PLACE) and "they're" (as in THEY ARE) wrong daily! And "to" (going somewhere?) and "too" (too big, too small, too few cubic inches - me too, as in also).... :lol: :rolleyes:

Well sticking my neck out, I would say the proper choice was Ron Paul...But the corruption runs too deep in Washington and neither party wanted their meal tickets taken away.

True change and a clean up would have happened, but I knew it would never happen.

Really Hard to get the Truth when the Media is controlled....We are one station away from the media being totally controlled..When that is controlled, the Truth is also controlled...I wish we were in the middle, but both sides seem to think that the extreme left or right is where they should be...Not where I want to be.

If both sides were to ignore their base and begin to moderate from the center, we could get out of this mess...

U wont see me trying to lobb your neck off!
his view on what goverments position in our lives should be are on point for me
but with the. Way the partys are you gotta be black or white, there is no gray...:rolleyes:

This is the truth. The issue for republicans is that to even get the nomination, you have to go so far to the right, that by the time the election comes, you have to swing so far back that people can't be sure what they are going to get.

McCain for example, he was a moderate and someone who I was terribly dissapointed that he changed his views on many issues in order to get the nomination. The exact same with Mitt Romney. He was a moderate but then he was an extreme conservative before trying to be moderate again. I feel like a lot of people probably aren't happy with Obama, but they know exactly what they are going to get and would rather not gamble on these things and hope the other guy is who is saying at that point in time.

I will be very curious who comes out in the 2016 race for both parties. It's way early but I could definitely see myself voting for someone like Chris Christie if he doesn't do the republican extreme view shift.