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intocarss 10-29-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 443701)
For a little while........

Rev is adjusting well today, they've started playing a little since Tucker's feet are feeling better.........enough that Tucker played trucker this morning and I had to jump in the car to head him off. Couldn't get him close enough to leash him but stayed very positive and gentle and redirected him and he took off headed back towards the house as I followed in the truck........then he took a right turn and I'm thinking he's off but he came back into sight and headed to the house and into the backyard and was sitting at the door when I got there........ With the length of a Dane's stride they can put distance between you fast! He must have known I ordered him his own invisible fence collar about a half-house prior. The positive was he headed back HOME. He's already taking ownership and guarding when he notices any sound or activity outside.

Tomorrow we'll see if they'll be good "shop" dogs.

Sounds like he is adjusting nicely :woot:

WSSix 10-29-2012 06:33 PM

The best thing about a Great Dane is they typically make people crap themselves, lol. For that reason alone they make good guard dogs. Their bark is typically very intimidating as well.

My friends had three pit bull mixes, they were actually very nice dogs with the one being very timid. Anyway, they didn't lock the door to their house. The dogs liked sleeping on the couch during the day which was in full view of anyone on the porch approaching the front door. :D

Sieg 10-29-2012 08:19 PM

Took him to the country club today and walked him up to the front doors of the pro-shop......that was worth a lot of attention and conversation. His head out the truck window draws a few looks too. They have such a WOW factor due to their size........fact is I wouldn't want to sneak up on Tucker in the house and yell BOO because I think he'd crap himself.......big scaredy dog. :D

intocarss 10-29-2012 10:16 PM

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Sieg 11-03-2012 04:21 PM

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Thought I might have found something with the bulkhead connection. Spades looked like they might not have been correctly aligned. Realigned them and cautiously connected it.

Nadda.......:mad:

So I've.......triple checked TDC, rotor & crank position, distributor wiring, plug wiring, power to the both sides of the coil with key in run position, fuses all look good.

With the key in the run position and power to coil eliminates the need to test with a jumper from battery to coil right?

Possible poor core support ground due to lack of fenders effecting voltage regulator shouldn't be an issue should it?

Could it possibly be a bad coil or distributor? :(

WSSix 11-03-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 444296)
With the key in the run position and power to coil eliminates the need to test with a jumper from battery to coil right?

Correct.


Sorry it's not firing still. I'm out of ideas without being there.

intocarss 11-03-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 444299)
Correct.


Sorry it's not firing still. I'm out of ideas without being there.

X2 ^^

glassman 11-03-2012 08:44 PM

Block grounded?

Sieg 11-03-2012 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 444335)
Block grounded?

Solid motor mounts. :(

intocarss 11-03-2012 10:11 PM

Hey Siegla I have a MSD coil and dist out of my car ( I know it works) I can send you if you want to try it out

Vince@Meanstreets 11-04-2012 01:28 AM

scratch test that MSD box first.

intocarss 11-04-2012 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 444361)
scratch test that MSD box first.

Scratch N Snif??? :_paranoid

GregWeld 11-04-2012 07:56 AM

You short the tach lead to ground and you should have fire.
So just make a test lead - connect to the tach connection of the MSD. And short it to ground. Each time you strike ground you should get a firing event out if the box.

Sieg 11-04-2012 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 444353)
Hey Siegla I have a MSD coil and dist out of my car ( I know it works) I can send you if you want to try it out

Thanks Jer, much appreciated. I'm going to talk with MSD tech tomorrow and see what they have to say about it first. :thumbsup:

I tried registering on their forum a couple weeks ago, they haven't confirmed the registration yet. Hopefully they're better on the phone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 444361)
scratch test that MSD box first.

Vince - No box just the Ready to Run 8360 distributor and Blaster II coil.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 444387)
You short the tach lead to ground and you should have fire.
So just make a test lead - connect to the tach connection of the MSD. And short it to ground. Each time you strike ground you should get a firing event out if the box.

With the questionable reputation of the 6 Series boxes if I had one that would have been towards the top of the suspect list. I'm leaning to defective electrics in the distributor/coil but certainly not eliminating the fact that fault may lie with my lack of electrical knowledge. At this point I'd be glad to be embarrased in front of the entire forum to get it fired. :D

On a more critical note how was the level of competition at OUSCI?

Sieg 11-05-2012 05:34 PM

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Inadequate GROUND!

:goofy:

I'm sitting on the dunk tank seat.........start throwing. :D

makoshark 11-05-2012 05:49 PM

SHE'S ALIVE!!!!!

Glad to hear you finally got it fired up. I think I would have shot the motor long ago. Congrats on getting her done and your patience through it all.

Ron in SoCal 11-05-2012 06:12 PM

Way to go Sieg! You know it's always something simple, finding it is the hard part :cheers:

waynieZ 11-05-2012 07:10 PM

SWEET ! Glad to see and hear it up and running!

GregWeld 11-05-2012 07:24 PM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



DUDE! That was like giving birth to a 16 pound baby!


So much EFFORT! But worth it!


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

intocarss 11-05-2012 07:26 PM



:willy: :willy: :willy: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :willy: :willy: :willy:

Vince@Meanstreets 11-05-2012 08:15 PM

not to be a debbi downer pointer out er of potential future ground issues but your gonna grommetize that tach lead right?

way to go buddy!!! sounds good.:thumbsup:

Roberts68 11-05-2012 08:38 PM

:woot:
I was scrolling down on mmy phone, saw that ground into the aluminum intake and thought :_paranoid. Hmmmmm...okay?

Then the video and explanation! :cheers:

Congrats on squashing the bug:thumbsup:

Keep the updates coming! You haven't "gone to the dogs" after all!:rofl:

Sieg 11-05-2012 09:01 PM

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The..........:drama:.........is OVER!

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Originally Posted by makoshark (Post 444742)
SHE'S ALIVE!!!!!

Glad to hear you finally got it fired up. I think I would have shot the motor long ago. Congrats on getting her done and your patience through it all.

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 444751)
Way to go Sieg! You know it's always something simple, finding it is the hard part :cheers:

Thanks Ron. :thumbsup:
Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 444756)
SWEET ! Glad to see and hear it up and running!

Varoom vroom!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 444762)
DUDE! That was like giving birth to a 16 pound BREECH baby!

........and it didn't grenade in the 30 minute break-in, no leaks, NO FIRES! Throttle response feels good looking forward to seeing what the heads, intake, and carb upgrade feel like. Too bad the fire kept me from the "before" dyno session I had planned. But I don't need a sheet of paper to tell me it's better or worse. :unibrow:

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 444763)
:willy: :willy: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :willy: :willy:

A fricken ground...........old school old fart discounted how sensitive modern electronics are.........if it was an LS it might have taken this idiot a year. :D

I set the ignition at 12* for break-in and richened the air circuit and idle mixuture screws. It almost hit a peak of 190* and oil pressure at 2K was 38 psi.

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After the run in I set the idle at 950ish and initial at 16* and shut it down without any run on. 16* intial gives me a total of 41* at 3,750.

No discoloration on the new Doug's Headers either!
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intocarss 11-06-2012 01:25 AM

CONGRATS and happy for you.. Now have some Cool Whip!!

Sieg 11-06-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 444807)
CONGRATS and happy for you.. Now have some Cool Whip!!

Just for you JerDawg

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GregWeld 11-06-2012 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 444788)
After the run in I set the idle at 950ish and initial at 16* and shut it down without any run on. 16* intial gives me a total of 41* at 3,750.



That's too much timing IMHO for a small block with good heads.... With the 18* stop bushing - I'd set it for 36* of total with 18* of initial.

Of course the old drag way of doing this would be to read the plug strap and see if the discoloration changes right in the center of the bend of the strap...

Todays head designs need less total timing - and todays gas also like less timing.... Of course the only real way to know what it "wants" is a dyno... and timing is far more important for performance than A/F ratios.

ccracin 11-06-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 444906)
That's too much timing IMHO for a small block with good heads.... With the 18* stop bushing - I'd set it for 36* of total with 18* of initial.

Of course the old drag way of doing this would be to read the plug strap and see if the discoloration changes right in the center of the bend of the strap...

Todays head designs need less total timing - and todays gas also like less timing.... Of course the only real way to know what it "wants" is a dyno... and timing is far more important for performance than A/F ratios.

I agree with Greg here buddy! When we ran our circle track engines on the dyno, they loved 40*. That was with 043 Cast Iron BowTie heads and 10.5:1. As soon as we tested a better set of aluminum heads on the same short block and cam we were down to 38* total. I think all you are doing now is making heat. Glad to hear it singing! Congrats! :thumbsup:

Sieg 11-06-2012 03:09 PM

Thanks guys. :thumbsup:

My unknown is the compression ratio....I'm guessing it dropped some with the AFR heads as they are the larger chamber but have been decked. My plan is to pay close attention to how the motor sounds and feels, check plug readings, and figure out by traditional means what is too much timing.

With the lumpy cam the motor seemed to settle in to a comfort zone at 14-16* initial and it shut down without a hint of run-on. Once I get the exhaust hooked up and can tinker with it some who knows on total timing and curve rate until I can put a load on it. 12* intial 36-37* total is the SBC benchmark based on this MSD video but that motor also had 10.5:1 comp and if I'm lucky I'm at 9.5:1.

Factoring the lumpy cam, modern fuel, and lower compression don't you think I can be a little more aggressive with timing and not melt it down?

I'm guessing one of these combo's 12+21=33 - 14+21=35 - 16+21=37 - 12+25=37 - 14+25=39. I'll play it by feel and ear to see what it likes for initial with closed exhaust and go from there to find this motor's sweet spots.........make sense?

Sieg 11-06-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ccracin (Post 444921)
I agree with Greg here buddy! When we ran our circle track engines on the dyno, they loved 40*. That was with 043 Cast Iron BowTie heads and 10.5:1. As soon as we tested a better set of aluminum heads on the same short block and cam we were down to 38* total. I think all you are doing now is making heat. Glad to hear it singing! Congrats! :thumbsup:

Thanks Chad, what were you running for initial?

Gotta love Weldapedia. :)

GregWeld 11-06-2012 06:57 PM

Here's what I'm thinkin' should be your next project!






ccracin 11-06-2012 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 444936)
Thanks Chad, what were you running for initial?

Gotta love Weldapedia. :)

Unfortunately that won't transition. We only had about 15* of advance. It was just enough to get it started. Initial was about 25*. Some guys locked it out at 40* with no advance. We were running restricted small blocks and wanted every ounce to get out of the corners. Keep at it, you'll get it where you want it. :cheers:

intocarss 11-06-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 444904)

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cencalc6 11-06-2012 09:08 PM

Congrats,The new engine sounds really nice.

Flash68 11-06-2012 09:17 PM

Nice to see it was something so simple (and free). :D

Sounds and looks great man. :thumbsup:

Vegas69 11-06-2012 10:23 PM

My grandma would have revved it higher than that.

Sieg 11-06-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 445032)
My grandma would have revved it higher than that.

LOL :thumbsup:

Don't worry Big Boy, now that the Flintstone's cam is broken in I'll make sure the rings are properly seated on first test drive, then we'll test the rev limiter. :unibrow:

Sieg 11-06-2012 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 445023)
Nice to see it was something so simple (and free). :D

Sounds and looks great man. :thumbsup:

Thank you......but I'm looking forward to hearing what a real motor sounds like. :thumbsup:

Sieg 11-06-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cencalc6 (Post 445018)
Congrats,The new engine sounds really nice.

Thanks! I was so glad to hear it fire on all cylinders that the rest was just a bonus! LOL

Sieg 11-07-2012 01:24 PM

Timing is now set at 12* for 37* total. Cleaned up some wire routing and it will be picked up this evening and back to the shop for completion.

Also spoke with MSD Tech regarding the Blaster SS coil mounts, he said the failures are typically due to over tightening the mounts. Snug with Loctite is the proper solution..........supposedly. :D

Now I get to spend the afternoon sorting and itemizing receipts for the insurance vs. owner obligations. :thumbsup:

Roberts68 11-07-2012 02:56 PM

That is great to hear that Norwood is soon going to be back in one piece.
:thumbsup:

Can you explain a bit about the valve you have in your brakes besides a proportioning valve? I think it was a metering valve that you said applies the rear just a bit prior to the fronts.

I'm not sure how "track" oriented that mod is and if there are some negatives I should be aware of. If you have a sketch of your plumbing I would love to see it. As I recall we have mostly the same components.

Thanks!
Robert


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