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FETorino 06-28-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ripped (Post 489975)
Hmmm numbers, well I didn't specify a number when we started the build.



So based on all that I'd hazard a guess that it'll be 10+ hp and 15+torq over one of those funky tunnel ports LOL :animated_bye_bye_em

I'd probably have to pull a couple spark plug wires to make it completely fair, for you ;)

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 489982)
:ohsnap:

:rolleyes: Doug that sounds about right :lostmarbles:

Ripped 06-28-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 489953)

What are your target #s :popcorn2:

I don't want to jinx Brent, so we'll just wait until after the weekend, and see how it goes.

Flash68 06-28-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripped (Post 490056)
I don't want to jinx Brent, so we'll just wait until after the weekend, and see how it goes.

Ok no estimates/targets... I didn't see the cam specs..... can you give us a rundown on all the key engine specs?

Bore x stroke
Cam specs
Carb size
Compression
Header size

:thumbsup:

FETorino 06-28-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ripped (Post 490056)
I don't want to jinx Brent, so we'll just wait until after the weekend, and see how it goes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 490148)
Ok no estimates/targets... I didn't see the cam specs..... can you give us a rundown on all the key engine specs?

Bore x stroke
Cam specs
Carb size
Compression
Header size

:thumbsup:

Yea what he said:twak:

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Originally Posted by Ripped (Post 443605)
Yeah Brent is going to do the shortblock for me. If I was closer, I might ship everything to him, but we'll see how that goes, as we get further down the road.

Oh yeah, please add me to the dyno shootout, you're going to have to wait a good long while, maybe late spring early summer, for my results. I don't think Brent has a good way of dynoing the shortblock, unless he can spin the crank real fast with a torque wrench.

While I port the heads, I'm putting this picture of the king cobra Torino on my wall, in the garage, for inspiration ;)

http://documents.clubexpress.com/clu...1695741309.jpg

Yea cough up those specs :warning: and what's with the backpeddaling? :mock:

I'll see you over in the dyno shootout corral. :guns:

:cheers:

Ripped 06-28-2013 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 490151)
Yea what he said:twak:



Yea cough up those specs :warning: and what's with the backpeddaling? :mock:

I'll see you over in the dyno shootout corral. :guns:

:cheers:

Oh man, you are going to use my own posts against me

:lol:

Shoot, I guess I have to man up

850 cfm quick fuel
10.5 -1 Pistons

4.250 stroke
4.270 bore

cam 110 LSA, .634/.634 hydro roller
Hand ported edelbrock heads, polished combustion chambers, exhaust ports, t&d (street)
port matched rpm manifold
Exhaust flowed decently on the bench
FPA tri-Y headers dyno test will be on bigger pipes

I did do a hp guestimate at work today, dunno how accurate it will be, I don't know the cam

FETorino 06-28-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripped (Post 490185)
Oh man, you are going to use my own posts against me

:lol:

Shoot, I guess I have to man up

850 cfm quick fuel
10.5 -1 Pistons

4.250 stroke
4.270 bore

cam 110 LSA, .634/.634 hydro roller
Hand ported edelbrock heads, polished combustion chambers, exhaust ports, t&d (street)
port matched rpm manifold
Exhaust flowed decently on the bench
FPA tri-Y headers dyno test will be on bigger pipes

I did do a hp guestimate at work today, dunno how accurate it will be, I don't know the cam

Well there isn't a lot to work with for a guess. What were the head flow #s?

I'll use a Larry Meaux formula to hazard a guess. Based on your max cam lift .643 x .87 he says to look at the closes flow number so I round up to .600 lift flow #s of an ED head. Stock that is about 252 cfm. Barry R and some others advertise a street fluff (not a CNC port) flow number around 270 cfm. A lot of that flow improvement comes from the valve job so I'll give you 270.

Not knowing the real cam specs then Larry Meaux says 270* .257(a factor for a street strip style wet sump build) * 8 (number of cyls) I should have just doubled the flow # and sprinkled 15hp on there for good assembly I would have got the same #.

So I give you 555hp :sieg:

Based on the lift and 110 LS and from what I've seen on FEs with mild hydro rollers I say this peak will be around 5700 rpm.

I'm going to guess Brent used a lobe that was geared to some more torque production since you had such a focus on open road cruising and grocery go getter. So how about 595ft lbs of torque.

There sure is a lot of guess work:bang: going on here but that's what I got.:headscratch:

If he is using a good set of stepped dyno headers with some proper sized merge collectors he may give you another 10-15 hp and some more torque.

Tell Brent to get it on the dyno :gitrdun:

Did you give it a run on desktop dyno with some generic cam numbers and your actual head numbers? And what is your guess?

:cheers:

Flash68 06-28-2013 10:54 PM

Your Ford brother up here is sure on fire... :computer:

Your engine build specs appear very similar to Todd's (Vegas69) first 496 stroker BBC.... and it was just under 600 hp at the crank.

I think Rob's hp number is low.... I am gonna go 580-590 and close to 600 ft lbs. But then again he does know Fords.... presumably.

Let's see if I am closer to the numbers.

Now let er rip... Ripped! :thumbsup:

Ripped 06-28-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 490194)
Well there isn't a lot to work with for a guess. What were the head flow #s?

I'll use a Larry Meaux formula to hazard a guess. Based on your max cam lift .643 x .87 he says to look at the closes flow number so I round up to .600 lift flow #s of an ED head. Stock that is about 252 cfm. Barry R and some others advertise a street fluff (not a CNC port) flow number around 270 cfm. A lot of that flow improvement comes from the valve job so I'll give you 270.

Not knowing the real cam specs then Larry Meaux says 270* .257(a factor for a street strip style wet sump build) * 8 (number of cyls) I should have just doubled the flow # and sprinkled 15hp on there for good assembly I would have got the same #.

So I give you 555hp :sieg:

Based on the lift and 110 LS and from what I've seen on FEs with mild hydro rollers I say this peak will be around 5700 rpm.

I'm going to guess Brent used a lobe that was geared to some more torque production since you had such a focus on open road cruising and grocery go getter. So how about 595ft lbs of torque.

There sure is a lot of guess work:bang: going on here but that's what I got.:headscratch:

If he is using a good set of stepped dyno headers with some proper sized merge collectors he may give you another 10-15 hp and some more torque.

Tell Brent to get it on the dyno :gitrdun:

Did you give it a run on desktop dyno with some generic cam numbers and your actual head numbers? And what is your guess?

:cheers:

You had a pretty sharp guess on the flow numbers, but I did not do any significant porting on the intakes, more port match and clean lumps and bumps and clean up the valve stem a little.

The exhaust got a lot more attention, but with small headers it was pointless to open them up to a big huge port, then squish them down into the FPA's

I think the unknown is the combustion chamber work. The valves were unshrouded and chamber polished. More than that, I did a little bit of arm chair studying on the "gas swirl" patterns of various heads and tried to use a little logic on how the air fuel mix enters the combustion chamber, and how the exhaust gets "squished" out.

Might not make a whole lot of difference, but maybe it will. Also exhaust at high velocity, intake, less.

Intake

.050 - 39
.100 - 65
.200 - 127
.300 - 185
.400 - 219
.500 - 250
.600 - 271
.700 - 272

Exhaust:

.050 - 36
.100 - 56
.200 - 103
.300 - 138
.400 - 166
.500 - 190
.600 - 202
.700 - 210

Kinda similar to the Barry R stage X heads,

So my (guess) calculation ended up being a little more conservative;

537.5115207
581.0599078


July 2 should be the last dyno day, if all goes well.

Flash68 06-28-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripped (Post 490217)

So my (guess) calculation ended up being a little more conservative;

537.5115207
581.0599078


July 2 should be the last dyno day, if all goes well.

Hey, conservative numbers give you a great chance at being happy at the end of the day. :thumbsup:

Ripped 06-28-2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 490207)
Your Ford brother up here is sure on fire... :computer:

Your engine build specs appear very similar to Todd's (Vegas69) first 496 stroker BBC.... and it was just under 600 hp at the crank.

I think Rob's hp number is low.... I am gonna go 580-590 and close to 600 ft lbs. But then again he does know Fords.... presumably.

Let's see if I am closer to the numbers.

Now let er rip... Ripped! :thumbsup:

Yeah, honestly I think 600 is at the high end of what's possible, with this combo, BUT that would be nice.

I think the other unknown, is Brent's tendency to be fussy on the details. I know that will help with the reliability and endurance of the engine, but I'd wager that will also help in the hp dept. just a little.

Right now I am counting down the days, before the car comes alive again ;)


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