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Vince@Meanstreets 12-20-2014 12:34 PM

you guys.... :grouphug:

happy new year too all!!!

Flash68 12-20-2014 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 586162)
Hey Doug, I really like your's and Dave's response's to the "wondering public". It is so cool seeing the pics and how some fabbers decide to do things and then when it just goes "black", its kind of a bummer.

Thanks Mike. I asked Doug if I could just copy/paste his reply since he wrote first. :BlahBlah:

It does suck, but it is what it is and happens to the best of us (Doug) and the worst of us (me).

:sieg:

89 RS 12-20-2014 11:56 PM

With respect to the replies you and Dave gave, class act as Todd said. Always look forward to seeing the changes for you Camaro.

DOOM 12-21-2014 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 586114)
Nothing but class my friend. One thing I've learned is to make positive assumptions and realize that many times there are underlying circumstances. It's not personal unless we make it that way. This takes emotional reps and discipline. Merry Christmas to you and the family.

X2 !!! Very well said Todd ! You are the man Doug!

LS3 HQ 12-21-2014 04:48 PM

Well said. I'm glad the car is going to get finished. I only asked the question about the photos as I've just fitted my torque arm rear in my 69 and my diff is hard up to underside of the crossmember. I want it to be sitting quite low so wanted to pinch a few ideas that had been done to yours. Hope that's ok.

Cheers

Luke

DFRESH 12-22-2014 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 586162)
Hey Doug, I really like your's and Dave's response's to the "wondering public". It is so cool seeing the pics and how some fabbers decide to do things and then when it just goes "black", its kind of a bummer.

But I for one, really appreciate the class shown here. All of us know "sheet happens" and perspective is usually reported from one side only (aka typicaly media), But we all know there are three sides to every story, "yours, mine, and the truth"

Back to our regular schedule programming (and now the wise words from the prophet Larry the cg, :gitrdun:

Mike

Thanks Mike. Will see about maybe getting the pics back in the future if possible.

D

DFRESH 12-22-2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LS3 HQ (Post 586332)
Well said. I'm glad the car is going to get finished. I only asked the question about the photos as I've just fitted my torque arm rear in my 69 and my diff is hard up to underside of the crossmember. I want it to be sitting quite low so wanted to pinch a few ideas that had been done to yours. Hope that's ok.

Cheers

Luke

Luke, I can click off some pics if you need them---glad to help if I can.

D

DFRESH 12-22-2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 586290)
X2 !!! Very well said Todd ! You are the man Doug!

Thanks brother---glad you are approaching the finish line with yours---still have my most favorite purchase from you sitting in my race room ---they should be going in this coming year.

D

DFRESH 12-22-2014 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 89 RS (Post 586264)
With respect to the replies you and Dave gave, class act as Todd said. Always look forward to seeing the changes for you Camaro.

Thanks Corey---will put up more pics as soon as we start to finish up the mini tub.

Merry Christmas--

D

tones2SS 12-22-2014 05:52 PM

Merry Christmas to you and your family Doug.
Good luck going forward with the car in the future.

Richio1 12-22-2014 09:07 PM

Well played guys. Time to focus on the future and the road ahead. The past is the past.

Here's to an exciting and fun 2015

LS3 HQ 12-22-2014 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 586452)
Luke, I can click off some pics if you need them---glad to help if I can.

D

Doug that would be awesome. I remember seeing a pic of the crossmember raised to above the rails I think to give clearance. I think a problem I have too is my sheet metal housing must be quite a bit bigger than a standard 9inch housing which isn't helping. Feel free to post as many pics as you like. Cheers

:thumbsup:

Luke

DFRESH 05-22-2015 07:17 PM

Posting an update to my dead thread, because I finally have a legitimate one.

I purchased a motor for the car from a member here, and in typical fashion for me, it was an unbelievable deal. I am still sticking with the one modification at a time plan, and putting the pieces together slowly over time to put in my DSE front subframe--but when I make this mod, I will rewire the car at that time along with a couple other things, including installing the latest acquisition.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u..._201559033.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u..._201759248.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u..._201204895.jpg

89 RS 05-22-2015 07:24 PM

Nice lookin' engine there Doug. The LS motor is going to look right at home in your engine compartment. I'm still diggin' you're one mod at a time philosophy, good stuff.

WSSix 05-22-2015 07:26 PM

Nice score! Glad you're still plugging away at the car, Doug.

Vegas69 05-22-2015 07:32 PM

I always knew you were smarter than Gordon.

DFRESH 05-22-2015 07:38 PM

And, of course, if it's on an engine stand in the garage, why not pull it apart to check it out.

I wanted to verify parts from the list to ensure crank, cam, rods, pistons, etc all checked out to spec's. Thus far, all is very well internally with the motor--Pistons are Wiseco forged/coated blower specific, rods are legit, etc.. My plan now is to stud the heads and mains here at the house, and give the heads a once over since I may be pulley this motor for some additional boost. This motor had about 400 miles or so on it.

To that end, I pulled the heads and have them over at the FUEL GOD here in So Cal, Bob McCray. He is verifying the previous work done to them; double checking valves are what they are supposed to be from build sheet, porting and bowl work is legit, springs for height, valve job, etc., then do some flow checking for me.

Hopefully I can start putting this back together in the next week or so.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...250435_HDR.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...616702_HDR.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u..._182717359.jpg

So far, the LS is pure joy to work with--except for all the metric crap. It's way easier than the SBC I was used to dealing with.

BW

DFRESH 05-22-2015 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 89 RS (Post 606293)
Nice lookin' engine there Doug. The LS motor is going to look right at home in your engine compartment. I'm still diggin' you're one mod at a time philosophy, good stuff.

I should take some pics of the stuff I have put together over the past couple of years under this build philosophy. One of the by products of having done my (ongoing) build this way has been the amazing deals I've been able to make. Patience does pay off in this mode. It's not for everyone, but it's worked for me so far.

D

DFRESH 05-22-2015 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 606294)
Nice score! Glad you're still plugging away at the car, Doug.

Thanks Trey! More to follow--

Flash68 05-23-2015 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 606298)
I always knew you were smarter than Gordon.

He should be... he didn't get hired as the assistant to the traveling secretary for the Dodgers for nuthin.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...psotj7zlw0.jpg

fleet 05-23-2015 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 606303)

So far, the LS is pure joy to work with--except for all the metric crap. It's way easier than the SBC I was used to dealing with.

BW

Really?

Some guy on the interwebs around here (who claims he has some quasi NASCAR connections) sez that them LS'sss are a lot tougher to work on than them SBtoos.

Nevertheless, yer budget setup is lookin' good BiggDubU.

:hello:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-23-2015 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmo mentis (Post 606394)
Really?

Some guy on the interwebs around here (who claims he has some quasi NASCAR connections) sez that them LS'sss are a lot tougher to work on than them SBtoos.

Nevertheless, yer budget setup is lookin' good BiggDubU.

:hello:

and who are they having them built by???? just sayin

Rybar 05-24-2015 03:10 AM

That is one sweet engine you picked up. Like the direction you are going with the build.

Flash68 05-24-2015 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 606397)
and who are they having them built by???? just sayin

R DICKEY Motorsports?

DFRESH 05-24-2015 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmo mentis (Post 606394)
Really?

Some guy on the interwebs around here (who claims he has some quasi NASCAR connections) sez that them LS'sss are a lot tougher to work on than them SBtoos.

Nevertheless, yer budget setup is lookin' good BiggDubU.

:hello:

Not so far my brother-----everything has been pretty straight forward, although it's still early.

I just wasn't thinking I would be reaching into my metric tools to take the motor apart---good thing I had them. :ohsnap:

DFRESH 05-24-2015 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 606417)
R DICKEY Motorsports?

Moderator Gordon, are you the NASCAR connection here on Lat G?

Spiffav8 05-24-2015 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 606425)
Moderator Gordon, are you the NASCAR connection here on Lat G?

He's the biggest Redneck for sure. :trophy-1302:

fleet 05-25-2015 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 606425)
Moderator Gordon, are you the NASCAR connection here on Lat G?

He could be one of several. :unibrow:

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 606451)
He's the biggest Redneck for sure. :trophy-1302:

Yeah, and a #BigRed redneck too. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :BlahBlah:

Matt@BOS 05-25-2015 11:04 AM

If you need someone to hold beer as you put that engine and subframe in, let me know. I'd be happy to help!

GregWeld 05-25-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 606473)
If you need someone to hold beer as you put that engine and subframe in, let me know. I'd be happy to help!



I can see where this is headed.... Matt wrenching and Big Wanda holding the beer...

Matt@BOS 05-25-2015 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 606474)
I can see where this is headed.... Matt wrenching and Big Wanda holding the beer...

I would be okay with that. He has not one, but two running 69 Camaros. Elvis once crashed one of his parties. He doesn't always drink, but when he does... It is worth it for the rest of us.

Flash68 05-25-2015 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 606425)
Moderator Gordon, are you the NASCAR connection here on Lat G?

If by connection you mean driving an old truck to Payton's house to have him take us to the Nascar used junk parts resellers, then yes.

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 606451)
He's the biggest Redneck for sure. :trophy-1302:

Surely a compliment is in there. :lol:

DFRESH 05-25-2015 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 606451)
He's the biggest Redneck for sure. :trophy-1302:

The Nor Cal Redneck. NCR stickers should be made. I would use them to replace my "Camaro Performers" one I still have stuck to my rear windshield.

I'll replace it when I put the subframe in---sometime soon---:sarcasm_smiley:

DFRESH 05-25-2015 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 606473)
If you need someone to hold beer as you put that engine and subframe in, let me know. I'd be happy to help!

Perfect, there will be approximately 6 of you operating in that capacity thus far.

DFRESH 05-25-2015 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 606474)
I can see where this is headed.... Matt wrenching and Big Wanda holding the beer...

Love it when a plan comes together.

Spiffav8 05-25-2015 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 606489)
Perfect, there will be approximately 6 of you operating in that capacity thus far.

It's a safety thing....right?

DFRESH 05-25-2015 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 606495)
It's a safety thing....right?

Ya, that's what I would call it. The safety brew.

DFRESH 06-10-2015 08:32 PM

Time for me to post a few more legitimate updates on the progress of the new motor for the car.

So, after I got the heads pulled off, there were several items I decided to upgrade.

Starting with putting in head studs.

I purchased the ARP thread chaser and started in

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/252.jpg

I followed the process of chasing the threads, pulled the chaser out, blew it off with compressed air, then chased the threads again. Upon the second chase, there was very little material showing up on the chaser. I would then use the compressed air to clean out the threads inside the block, followed by filling up that hole with carb cleaner, letting it sit while I chased the others, then blew it out upon completion, followed by one last chase and blow out. After inspecting each one, they were indeed free from any material.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/253.jpg

Below is what the chaser looked like after each first pass. There is some form of factory Loctite or sealer on the stock head bolts. It's crucial per ARP to ensure you have all of this cleaned out before installing the head studs.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/259.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/258.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/260.jpg

After ensuring all was clear, I went ahead and began the actual head stud install. I've got the Part Number here for anyone who decides to do the same.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/254.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/255.jpg

DFRESH 06-10-2015 08:46 PM

The kit includes both the small and large studs for each side along with their proprietary assembly lube.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/256.jpg

Per the instructions, and just like on the SBC in the race car, just put them in hand tight--but ensure they are run all the way down.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/257.jpg

I did a lot of asking, and after speaking with a couple of friends, in addition to several shops--the LS9 GM gaskets were the best choice for me. These are 9 layer MLS type gaskets, which two friends are running right now, respectively, in a 416 TT & and a 427 with a Pro Charger making well over 1200---for more than 2 years. Always nice when you can get real input from folks actually using the stuff you are considering. So, anyways, these went in place.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/261.jpg
These are clearly marked in terms of orientation.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/262.jpg

DFRESH 06-10-2015 08:59 PM

So, after inspection, the heads had not been touched in terms of porting, and had a poor valve job done to them.

The good news, they did have Inconel Exhaust Valves and a good set of Manley Valve Springs.

So, I went ahead and had them blown apart for inspection. We blended the bowls, new valve job, changed out the intake valves for some Manley's, and checked the spring heights. One intake was missing the shims under the spring--it's like the builder just forgot about it. Anyways, they are setup now as they should be in my opinion.


http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/263.jpg

Here are couple of shots to show the light bowl blending on both the intake and exhaust ports. These heads flow pretty impressive numbers right out of the gate. With the valve job and bowl blending, we picked up about 30 additional cfm.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/265.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/u...nstall/264.jpg


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