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Rick D 06-04-2013 03:46 AM
Yeah Vince?? :poke:

:ttiwop: :whistling:

Track Junky 06-04-2013 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484246)
Relax, it's just about done and it's gonna handle the 11/12 transition like it's on rails! T2 & 3 could be tricky though!
Actually Mr Siegmeister I will be working on trying to carry more speed through 1 & 8 :unibrow:

Sieg 06-04-2013 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 484392)
Actually Mr Siegmeister I will be working on trying to carry more speed through 1 & 8 :unibrow:
Start with carry more speed out of 15 and 7 :hello:

1 & 8 are definitely "speed-slots" :unibrow:

I've never came close to nailing 14-15, that section had my number. :bang:

Flash68 06-05-2013 09:41 AM
Sieg, just come on down and show us all how to drive T-Hill..... since Greg doesn't have a clue what he is doing on that track. :whistling:

Sieg 06-05-2013 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 484530)
Sieg, just come on down and show us all how to drive T-Hill..... since Greg doesn't have a clue what he is doing on that track. :whistling:
One problem.........never driven a car there! All my track experience is on bikes, I can't wait to see how 4 wheels changes perceptions. Braking point habits are my main concern :ohsnap: two markers too late!..........catch ya on the next lap, unless it's turn 10.........see ya next year when it's fixed. :D

Track Junky 06-05-2013 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484395)
Start with carry more speed out of 15 and 7 :hello:

1 & 8 are definitely "speed-slots" :unibrow:

I've never came close to nailing 14-15, that section had my number. :bang:
Carrying more speed out of 15 shouldn't and hopefully wont be a problem. Setting up for 1 after trying to sqeeze as much speed as possible going into 1 is a different story and I think my problem. I'm so concerned about getting a high speed off the long straight from 15 to 1 I'm failing to set up properly. Turn 8 is a whole nother animal. After coming out of seven its important to settle the chasis and use all of 8. Per past instruction I have been told to tap brakes to settle chassis in between 7 & 8 before driving through 8 and thats whats throwing me off because the point at which your supposed to tap brakes is a bit of a distance before you hit 8.
Wish me luck guys. I'm already :brix: my pants. Goal lap times this time around will be in the 2:02 range.

GregWeld 06-05-2013 08:16 PM
I go as fast as I possibly can -- when I spin -- Then I know I've gone faster than I should have....


So easy....

GregWeld 06-05-2013 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 484530)
Sieg, just come on down and show us all how to drive T-Hill..... since Greg doesn't have a clue what he is doing on that track. :whistling:



You're going to have to leave Sieggie alone -- he's a stay at home Dad now and needs his chores done before he can come out and play!


Trust me -- I was there.... When the wife is working... You'd better do as she says!

Sieg 06-05-2013 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 484615)
Carrying more speed out of 15 shouldn't and hopefully wont be a problem. Setting up for 1 after trying to sqeeze as much speed as possible going into 1 is a different story and I think my problem. I'm so concerned about getting a high speed off the long straight from 15 to 1 I'm failing to set up properly. Turn 8 is a whole nother animal. After coming out of seven its important to settle the chasis and use all of 8. Per past instruction I have been told to tap brakes to settle chassis in between 7 & 8 before driving through 8 and thats whats throwing me off because the point at which your supposed to tap brakes is a bit of a distance before you hit 8.
Wish me luck guys. I'm already :brix: my pants. Goal lap times this time around will be in the 2:02 range.
My issue with 14/15 on bikes is the seam in the surface (read curb) it was right at what I felt was the ideal apex and I could never find a shallow line that would generate drive out of 15, the deep line over the seam upset the chassis enough that you were wide on exit or feathering throttle trying to keep from going wide. :bang:

Entering 1 on the bike was keep it pinned past the tower and turn in to into the pit lane once past the pit lane wall stab the brakes and turn it in and get on the throttle.

If I'm not mistaken the key to a stable chassis going into 8 starts will nailing 6's apex/exit so you can pin 7 and pray through 8......:D

With the bike a slight lift to trailing throttle going into 8 was enough to maintain confidence. (does that bank look scarier in car than a bike, not sure which would be worse?) That corner is a rush when you get it close to right............so are 9 a & b pinning to toward the horizon, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, etc........what a great track!!

Don't worry G, you'll do fine, get used to the new stuff in the am then focus on having a good time maximizing your lines on the track..........not the infield. :D

Sieg 06-05-2013 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 484634)
You're going to have to leave Sieggie alone -- he's a stay at home Dad now and needs his chores done before he can come out and play!


Trust me -- I was there.... When the wife is working... You'd better do as she says!
Oh paaaaalease! Buy a Mustang, go to a couple of driving schools, and think you're going to take me down driving my wife's minivan at T-Hill? You may be right........... :mock:

Vince@Meanstreets 06-05-2013 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484540)
One problem.........never driven a car there! All my track experience is on bikes, I can't wait to see how 4 wheels changes perceptions. Braking point habits are my main concern :ohsnap: two markers too late!..........catch ya on the next lap, unless it's turn 10.........see ya next year when it's fixed. :D
bull cheezy, its like riding a... bike..ahh never mind

Vince@Meanstreets 06-05-2013 10:19 PM
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i'll get something up soon, had a parts delay on another project so it put me off a bit.

hey, we got his airbox to fit with the addition of the 2" spacer. Someone should help me find a lip seal that will work. edit....similar to this..

Track Junky 06-06-2013 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484644)
My issue with 14/15 on bikes is the seam in the surface (read curb) it was right at what I felt was the ideal apex and I could never find a shallow line that would generate drive out of 15, the deep line over the seam upset the chassis enough that you were wide on exit or feathering throttle trying to keep from going wide. :bang:

Entering 1 on the bike was keep it pinned past the tower and turn in to into the pit lane once past the pit lane wall stab the brakes and turn it in and get on the throttle.

If I'm not mistaken the key to a stable chassis going into 8 starts will nailing 6's apex/exit so you can pin 7 and pray through 8......:D

With the bike a slight lift to trailing throttle going into 8 was enough to maintain confidence. (does that bank look scarier in car than a bike, not sure which would be worse?) That corner is a rush when you get it close to right............so are 9 a & b pinning to toward the horizon, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, etc........what a great track!!

Don't worry G, you'll do fine, get used to the new stuff in the am then focus on having a good time maximizing your lines on the track..........not the infield. :D
Thanks Sieg. Your memory serves you well. I can see how the surface on the outside in between 14 and 15 would make it difficult for a bike.

You also nailed 6,7, & 8. 6 isn't bad, its the transition from 7 and getting through 8 that has me puckering and pray is putting it lightly.

Sounds like we take turn 1 exactly the same only I want to try and lay off of the brake a bit more than I have been.

I honestly feel I'm losing a good 1 second through 1 and a good 1 second through 8. Nailing those two turns should help me achieve my goals. If Vince and I have set up that rear sway bar correctly and I nail my alignment I'm hoping to surpass my initial target lap times goals.

Sieg 06-06-2013 07:35 AM
One the bike I was only hitting about 135-138 on the front straight (thanks to 14/15), if memory does serve me well the end of the pit wall was the off the throttle marker, I tried to brake and downshift early to get the suspension settled and back on the throttle at turn in and somewhat aggressive on the throttle through the apex. I think the apex speed was "around" 85-95 mph hitting about 110-115 mph before T2

So my braking and throttle applications were slightly earlier than other turns.

T8 was a downshift and trailing throttle setting up for the apex with no brake since the V-twins I was riding have a reasonable amount of engine braking.

Don't know if that helps or is applicable for a car?

I know one thing for sure............I'd love to have four tires on the ground through T3! No trust of that corner whatsoever on a bike, especially with the deteriorating surface on the inside racing line. <Insert chicken sounds here>

chr2002ca 06-06-2013 08:13 AM
That air box is looking good.

intocarss 06-06-2013 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 484665)
i'll get something up soon, had a parts delay on another project so it put me off a bit.

hey, we got his airbox to fit with the addition of the 2" spacer. Someone should help me find a lip seal that will work. edit....similar to this..
I like that air box! INMOHO I don't like the MSD boxes up on the firewall, To much heat and heat is what kills them

Rick D 06-06-2013 04:55 PM
Almost there Gae!! When are we going to see that start up video??

Flash68 06-06-2013 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 484764)
When are we going to see that start up video??
We're not. :poke:

Sieg 06-06-2013 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 484749)
I like that air box!
I found that interesting as well, how did that piece come into existence?

intocarss 06-06-2013 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484767)
I found that interesting as well, how did that piece come into existence?
Didn't Vinnie make it??

Track Junky 06-06-2013 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 484749)
I like that air box! INMOHO I don't like the MSD boxes up on the firewall, To much heat and heat is what kills them
Me neither Jer....it's on the list of things to do. I have the new 6AL box that MSD just came out with. It's a plug in deal and comes with extra wiring for longer runs. Eventually I will install it inside the car.

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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 484764)
Almost there Gae!! When are we going to see that start up video??
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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 484766)
We're not. :poke:
I promise I'll get you guys some vids. Between work, family, and the car things have been real busy. I'll be picking the car up this Saturday. Hoping to get the dyno vid at that time. I'll ask Vince to vid the fire up session before loading it in the trailor. Hell, if he'll let me I'll spin some brodies in the parking lot before she loads. :unibrow:

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484767)
I found that interesting as well, how did that piece come into existence?
The air box is carbon fiber and came with a lid. It's one of those deals you'd see on a K&N or ARCA series car. I've was using it with the lid but this time around we installed a 2" HVH carb spacer so the hood wouldn't close with the lid. A few modifications later we were able to still use the pan. Now we just need to find or get the box to hood sealer.

intocarss 06-06-2013 05:51 PM
"I'll spin some brodies in the parking" YOU ARE OLD SCHOOL

Track Junky 06-06-2013 06:46 PM
I think brodies was used a couple of generations after me. I normally say donuts and would have used that term but I think the youngsters on this site would have thought I'd be headed to a Starbucks or a Pete's. :lol:

intocarss 06-06-2013 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 484818)
I think brodies was used a couple of generations after me. I normally say donuts and would have used that term but I think the youngsters on this site would have thought I'd be headed to a Starbucks or a Pete's. :lol:
:welcome3:

Track Junky 06-06-2013 08:12 PM
Doh!!:sieg:

Vince@Meanstreets 06-06-2013 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chr2002ca (Post 484705)
That air box is looking good.
Thanks for the heads up on the seal Chris, I was on my iphone earlier and typing a reply is a pain when your hanging upside down under a dash. I appreciate it.

Actually Sieg I was joking....remember the saying. "Its like riding a bike"

:welcome3:

Vince@Meanstreets 06-06-2013 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 484749)
I like that air box! INMOHO I don't like the MSD boxes up on the firewall, To much heat and heat is what kills them
I've been trying to get it mounted to his trans tunnel but the honeydo list is pretty long.

Managed to lose some weight and move a bunch near center.

Its coming along.

Sieg 06-06-2013 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 484887)
Actually Sieg I was joking....remember the saying. "Its like riding a bike"
Understood it :thumbsup:

Just attempting to share perceptions with Gae that might help shave lap time. I'm looking forward to taking some laps as a co-pilot to see and feel the difference between 2 & 4 wheels at T-Hill.

Vince@Meanstreets 06-06-2013 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 484818)
I think brodies was used a couple of generations after me. I normally say donuts and would have used that term but I think the youngsters on this site would have thought I'd be headed to a Starbucks or a Pete's. :lol:
swinging brodies in my parts was spinning the tires in random patterns and not circles. They have donuts at Starbucks?

Vince@Meanstreets 06-06-2013 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 484243)
Where the F is Vince with my updated photos.

Ready to rock T-Hill on the 30th!! :guns:
oh take it easy buster.....I'll throw up a few when I get better shots, but don't expect much. I said I would toss a few pictures up and not a Brett-itorial. :RunninDog:

Vince@Meanstreets 06-06-2013 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484891)
Understood it :thumbsup:

Just attempting to share perceptions with Gae that might help shave lap time. I'm looking forward to taking some laps as a co-pilot to see and feel the difference between 2 & 4 wheels at T-Hill.
Cool, that would be good. I hope to see you there.




A few things I mentioned

: he needs better brakes with cooling so he can deeper into the turns.
: more suspension tuning
: tall spindles that work
: shocks that work
: safety equipment

Flash68 06-06-2013 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 484891)
Understood it :thumbsup:

Just attempting to share perceptions with Gae that might help shave lap time. I'm looking forward to taking some laps as a co-pilot to see and feel the difference between 2 & 4 wheels at T-Hill.
Come down end of this month. :sieg:

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 484894)
Brett-itorial. :RunninDog:
:lol:

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 484896)



A few things I mentioned


: safety equipment
This!

Vince@Meanstreets 06-09-2013 11:42 AM
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Gaetano have been complaining that his rear sway bar is too soft and well the budget wasn't there for a fabricated adjustible type so we came up with a fairly cheap solution and using the existing bar.

I loved the Pozzi bar that was used on Bad PennyŽ so we looked around for different types of bar adjusters. I found an interesting set made for polaris quads. Called them up to see if they had any in SAE sizes. Nothing for a .875 bar. Then I remembered a j-bar mount is very similar...no bueno for anything under 1.750 bar. Poop.

So I drew these up on solidworks and sent a copy to Dennis @ Creations Unlimited. He made a few tweeks. Contured the body so we can go from .625in to a 1.250 in bar with the same program. We made a prototype to try out on Gaetanos car.

I'll see how they do this month. So far so good.

intocarss 06-09-2013 03:01 PM
DON'T SEE MUCH CHROME AND POLISH UNDER THERE :confused59:

Vegas69 06-09-2013 04:26 PM
I ain't no show tourer.:snapout:

Vince@Meanstreets 06-09-2013 05:57 PM
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DON'T SEE MUCH CHROME AND POLISH UNDER THERE :confused59:
i'll sneek in a few pieces in there but it all looks the same when covered in blood and guts. :D
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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 485425)
I ain't no show tourer.:snapout:
yeah, not much to look at but she can cook.

battery relocated and power kill added for easy access.

Track Junky 06-09-2013 06:06 PM
First off I just want to say thanks to Allen and Vince. Vince was squeezing time in betwen other projects to work on her as he had other cars he had to get out of the garage and we worked till about 9:00 p.m. on a few Friday and Saturday nights to gitter dun. It was a great time and I didn't want it to end. :cheers:
I took her out for a ride today and the rear bar is definitley doing its job now. I'm going to have to adjust where it is currently set up at as I can feel the rear definitely wants to rotate now. Hoping to find an empty lot next week end to get a better idea of where it needs to be.
In addition to the sway bar we made a battery tray behind the passenger seat, placed a battery shut off switch near the passenger side window, made a rear tow hook, and changed the air filter set up.
Hopefully Vince and Allen will post some more pic's of the work and Vid's of a couple little burnouts.

Vince@Meanstreets 06-09-2013 06:37 PM

Rick D 06-09-2013 06:41 PM
That's is 10 sec of video!! :twak: :twak:

You most be glad to have it back together Gae?

Vince@Meanstreets 06-09-2013 07:16 PM
watch it over and over then. lol


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