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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 452765)

Personally I'll rely on comparison data from the continent and region in which I reside...................especially when it's 15 hours on the Interstate from the Mexican boarder.

Parsons comment was uniformed.... since he didn't track the rest of the conversation/thread but just decided his calling out a post was somehow essential nonetheless.

My Mexico inclusion was in response to the canned letter from Senator Murray -- that was trying to make a big point about how gun control was going to cure everything.

If there was "nit picking" being done -- then it would be to pull out one post from the 169 replies.

Here's a BRILLIANT strategy to control things..... it seems to be working well, huh??

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...tos/file-6.jpg

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Originally Posted by Greg

Parsons comment was uniformed.... since he didn't track the rest of the conversation/thread but just decided his calling out a post was somehow essential nonetheless.

Sorry. Didn't mean to bring up facts that aren't welcome.

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Originally Posted by parsonsj (Post 452776)

Sorry. Didn't mean to bring up facts that aren't welcome.

Facts? Or broad statements that are not applicable to the control issues facing the country we live in?

The good people can't defend theirselves against the bad people, and unfortunately the bad people are tied into the police in a lot of cities. I was there two weeks ago and talk to people about every other week that actually live there... And NOT in a vacation spot, in REAL Mexico!! Heck, the day before I was there one of the family members got held up/robbed outside their front door to their house by 3 teenage thugs with guns (that are outlawed BTW)... The house I was at!! And 5 people were hanging from the bridge going into Saltillo, and actually that's not too uncommon. The only people that have guns are the police/federalies and the bad guys/cartel, which in a lot of instances are one in the same!

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 452721)

Here's something I did not know... about Mexico.

The country with the strictest gun laws in the world, and the one nearest to us, Mexico. It is virtually impossible under law in Mexico to own a firearm and look how well gun control is working there.

A look at what they changed in their constitution:

By the 1960s, fear of the growing anti-government sentiment and the growing number of citizens arming themselves, prompted the government to modify Article 10 of the Constitution and to enact the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives. And so begun a systematic disarmament of the population by limiting gun ownership to small-caliber handguns, heavily restricting the right to carry outside the home, and ending a cultural attachment to firearms by shutting down gun stores, outlawing the private sale of firearms, closing down public shooting facilities, and putting in control of the federal government all firearm-related matters.

A look at their (Mexico) murder rate:

24 per 100,000

The U.S.A. murder rate:

4.2 per 100,000

Gotta love the government banning stuff!! Works like a charm every time. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Sieg

Facts? Or broad statements that are not applicable to the control issues facing the country we live in?

Facts. Simply put, western European democracies have murder rates around 1/4 of ours. That's not a broad statement, that's not an opinion. It's a fact.

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Originally Posted by parsonsj (Post 452799)

Facts. Simply put, western European democracies have murder rates around 1/4 of ours. That's not a broad statement, that's not an opinion. It's a fact.

And the rest of Europe?

More tinfoil hat stuff..... Interesting none the less!:_paranoid

http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sand

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Originally Posted by Shmoov69 (Post 452805)

More tinfoil hat stuff..... Interesting none the less!:_paranoid

http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sand

Exceptional example of the accuracy the media in this country delivers, what is alarming is the number of people quote their reporting as fact. Sadly even the public officials put a political spin on it. They will typically spend as much time patting their comrades on the back as they do reporting information of the event.

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 452802)

And the rest of Europe?

His point is that you need to account for cultural differences. Just because Mexico is right next door doesn't mean anything if you objectively look at cultures over a long horizon.

You can't cherry pick mexico as an example of gun bans failing for the same reason you can't cherry pick Japan to show the opposite. It's just basic logic.

Given our culture a gun ban isn't feasible nor likely to be effective, and some cities have demonstrated this.

That doesn't mean you can't do some gun related legislation that might make a difference, some of which we've talked about.