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nicks67ca 02-18-2015 07:15 AM

Looks Great!

When I was looking at Hellfire at SEMA I noticed there were no down bars. With the 2 cars being very similar to each other why is JA2.0 using them?

Ketzer 02-18-2015 07:23 AM

The transmission crossmember is mounted to the floor pans?


Jeff-

Stielow 02-18-2015 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicks67ca (Post 595229)
Looks Great!

When I was looking at Hellfire at SEMA I noticed there were no down bars. With the 2 cars being very similar to each other why is JA2.0 using them?

JA had them to start off with so we reinstalled them. I don't think they are really needed but it should stiffen the front a bit.

Hellfire had carbon inner fendrs and modifing them for front down bars would be hard. With JA steel inner fenders it is easy to cut and weld.

Mark

Stielow 02-18-2015 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketzer (Post 595232)
The transmission crossmember is mounted to the floor pans?


Jeff-

They tie into the seat reinforcements and have a doubler in the floor pan. I like the extra exhaust clearnace. It is time consuming to make the set up but it is very clean.

Mark

Sales@Dutchboys 02-18-2015 07:43 AM

Looking good guys! :thumbsup:

Stielow 02-18-2015 07:56 AM

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psoymybhkf.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psqbzfyrcl.jpg

ZR-1 intercooler pump

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psv3sli6v7.jpg

Sorry for the crappy cell phone pictures

Roberts68 02-18-2015 01:09 PM

Mark,

Would you be able to comment or do you have pictures that show more of how you have to modify stock front inner fenders to accommodate the tires you will use?

I believe you have stated a lot of it is in the DSE subframe, but I figured it was worth asking. Perhaps you or someone else could weigh in on the first point of contact being the stock front subframe in which case I would have a satisfactory answer.

:thankyou:

Stielow 02-19-2015 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roberts68 (Post 595314)
Mark,

Would you be able to comment or do you have pictures that show more of how you have to modify stock front inner fenders to accommodate the tires you will use?

I believe you have stated a lot of it is in the DSE subframe, but I figured it was worth asking. Perhaps you or someone else could weigh in on the first point of contact being the stock front subframe in which case I would have a satisfactory answer.

:thankyou:

This is my 4th car with a DSE front subframe. I was able to fit a 18 X 10 wheels with a 275/30R18 under the stock 69 Camaro fenders with out modifing any sheet metal. They do rub sometimes but it is very "car guy" safe. Red Devil was tracked a lot and the inner fenders had a lot of bare metal.

Mark

Jr 03-08-2015 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 591593)
Forgestar - I got a Black Friday special of $1100 for a set of 18 X 10 fronts and 18 X 12 rears. 7 week lead time. Very nice for the price. If they break I'll be the first to know then the guardrail will be the 2nd to know.


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pss8otavys.jpg

Mark

Mark,

Do you have pics with a wheel mounted?

BonzoHansen 03-09-2015 08:32 PM

$1100 for all four? Yikes, I can afford that!

Stielow 03-10-2015 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jr (Post 597697)
Mark,

Do you have pics with a wheel mounted?

I just put tires on them. I'll get some photos Sat.

Mark

formula88 03-17-2015 05:53 PM

Some updates:

C&R radiator/ICHE and Vintage Air condenser mounting

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...2/DSC_3872.jpg

Bosch ABS controller and coolant fan mounted. Chassis wiring in progress...

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...2/DSC_3877.jpg

E67 controller and fuse block located as was on Hellfire....

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...2/DSC_3881.jpg

KPC67 03-17-2015 05:59 PM

JA is looking good.:king:

SlowProgress 03-17-2015 06:07 PM

Gordon and Mark. Does C&R have drawings for that ginormous cooling stack ? Could any of us peons order one if we were prepared to do the radiator support mods ? Also, is the fan available, or top secret for Stielow Inc. ?

southsidehacker 03-17-2015 07:24 PM

I think in a previous thread Mark mentioned he used the Cadillac SRX fan and its PWM.

SlowProgress 03-17-2015 07:34 PM

Yes on Camaro XV for sure. But above he mentions he is using a new Spal 850W fan this time around. I live in Phoenix and cooling is just about as high on the priority list as it can get !

GRob 03-18-2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowProgress (Post 599022)
Gordon and Mark. Does C&R have drawings for that ginormous cooling stack ? Could any of us peons order one if we were prepared to do the radiator support mods ? Also, is the fan available, or top secret for Stielow Inc. ?

Just got off the phone with Paul at C&R - he handles all of these types of projects - highly recommend you give him a call, I have no doubt he'll hook you up for exactly what you were looking for.

He's at the south office.

dhutton 03-18-2015 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GRob (Post 599131)
Just got off the phone with Paul at C&R - he handles all of these types of projects - highly recommend you give him a call, I have no doubt he'll hook you up for exactly what you were looking for.

He's at the south office.

Here is the "Stielow inspired" radiator with three integrated coolers that C&R designed and built for me that doesn't require any core support mods. They said it was quite a packaging challenge. I only have a stock LSA so hopefully it will be adequate versus Hellfire's 2X horsepower. The left side connection will be a bit of a challenge with the air intake but I think I can make it work.

I hope Mark doesn't mine me posting my junk in his thread. :>)

Don

Stielow 03-18-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhutton (Post 599139)
Here is the "Stielow inspired" radiator with three integrated coolers that C&R designed and built for me that doesn't require any core support mods. They said it was quite a packaging challenge. I only have a stock LSA so hopefully it will be adequate versus Hellfire's 2X horsepower. The left side connection will be a bit of a challenge with the air intake but I think I can make it work.

I hope Mark doesn't mine me posting my junk in his thread. :>)

Don

Looks good.

The C&R guys are very good to work with. We went back and forth on a few designs with great drawings. The actual parts are spot on to the drawings and fit great.

Mark

SlowProgress 03-18-2015 06:28 PM

That's what is so nice about lat-g, ask one question and get three answers - Thx!

KPC67 03-18-2015 07:17 PM

good info guy's :thumbsup:

LXSS350 03-18-2015 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 591589)
I got some new wheels for the JA2.0 project.

These are 18 X 10 mono block wheels that fit over the 394 mm ZR-1 rotors.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psrpr4vqeo.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psmxe4iji0.jpg

With the DSE front clip the ZR-1 wheels don't fit anymore.

Mark

Mark how much room do the calipers have (clearance) to the inside spokes of the CF5? (i.e. could I push the offset further inwards on the both the 10's and 12's) Or is there no space?

Stielow 03-19-2015 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LXSS350 (Post 599189)
Mark how much room do the calipers have (clearance) to the inside spokes of the CF5? (i.e. could I push the offset further inwards on the both the 10's and 12's) Or is there no space?

I did 18 x 10 with a 20 mm offset on the front and the caliper has about 5 mm clearance toward the spoke side. It has about 4 mm clearance to the barrel. Not sure you can increase offset and still have them clear the ZR-1 calipers.

aggie91 04-01-2015 01:21 PM

Updates...
 
Mark

What is the latest on the work being done to JA?

Stielow 04-05-2015 06:34 AM

Were making progress on JA 2.0. It is back at Sled Alley and Matt is wrapping up some final details.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psqjq9npqu.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps6gt03vxz.jpg

We reworked the LS9 inlet to get better air flow

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psjazzaw2h.jpg

The spacer under the lid simulate the spacer C&R is make to allow 40 mm bigger intercooler bricks

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psfrziw35i.jpg

In this picture you can see we reworked the fuel rails to help fuel flow. We are running a -6AN line to each fuel rail to keep up with the flow requirements of E-85 fuel.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxo1oavjt.jpg

This is the CAD drawing from C&R showing the spacer

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psaoydnvec.jpg

CAD drawing of the bigger custom bricks.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psqnsff4ii.jpg

The C&R intercooler made from the Denso 27 mm high efficiency core. It also has the Vintage Air A/C condenser mounted on front of it. It is a very nice package.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psglnylnb9.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psnucr9ypv.jpg

You need a lot of airflow and cooling to clear 1000 HP. We should be flowing 1700 CFM of air when we are at full song.

Stielow 04-05-2015 06:47 AM

More cool Sled Alley Fab

Transmission Shifter closeout

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps9wtg8ngh.jpg

Matt made the passenger inner wheel house two piece on JA to make it easy to get the dry sump tank hidden in the cowl area.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pstty4w8j9.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pshzovf2i5.jpg

glassman 04-05-2015 08:01 AM

Great updates Mark!!! Very nice progress....

Is that transmission boot adapter plate (third pic from bottom pic) custom or is there a p#? thanx, Mike

Stielow 04-05-2015 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 601266)
Great updates Mark!!! Very nice progress....

Is that transmission boot adapter plate (third pic from bottom pic) custom or is there a p#? thanx, Mike

It is all custom. We made the shift ring and Matt made trans tunnel part with nuts welded into it.

Mark

glassman 04-05-2015 08:28 AM

Thanx Mark. It looks factory, and I wonder if this could nessessitate a demand? cause i need one and i think there are more than a "few of us" doing a T-56_ coversion. Iif the "tabs" were left square, we/whomever could simply bend it to conform any tunnel used....hmmmm

Vince@Meanstreets 04-05-2015 02:36 PM

Love that shift lever too.

It's tough to make a universal part cause there are so many tunnel styles between models.

1coolC2 04-05-2015 04:40 PM

Great update Mark, JA is coming along nicely! Great thought put into the service-ability of this car. Lets face it, they all break and wear stuff out...build them to take apart and put back together as easily as possible.

R/
Jeff

WSSix 04-05-2015 06:23 PM

The two piece inner fender is a great idea. Good job, Matt.

Mark, did you have thicker intercooler bricks on Hellfire, or is this an entirely new thing you guys and C&R are trying out?

Jr 04-05-2015 06:46 PM

The rims look good mounted on the car.

This motor, while running e85, should make more power than hellfire...right?

Stielow 04-05-2015 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 601310)
The two piece inner fender is a great idea. Good job, Matt.

Mark, did you have thicker intercooler bricks on Hellfire, or is this an entirely new thing you guys and C&R are trying out?

The bricks are new. We are flowing 1700 CFM of air so the stock bricks are a restriction. Brian Thomson has already built a engine on E85 with stock bricks that cleared 1000 HP so this engine should do as well and probably better.

Mark

waynieZ 04-05-2015 07:49 PM

Mark the update to JA should give you a lot better IAT's . Can you tell me how thick the inter cooler is and what size hose your using ? Great update.

WSSix 04-06-2015 05:36 AM

Thanks Mark. Sounds like it's going to be fun!

Stielow 04-06-2015 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 601322)
Mark the update to JA should give you a lot better IAT's . Can you tell me how thick the inter cooler is and what size hose your using ? Great update.

The bricks are stock width.

Is this what you want?

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psyinvihzw.jpg

I plan on using a ZR-1 intercooler pump and 3/4 in lines as short as possible. That is still the lightest and highest flowing pump I have found. (Not cheap though). The new Z06 LT4 has a cool expansion tank I will place in the system. It adds volume and an air chamber for expansion.

waynieZ 04-06-2015 11:22 AM

Thanks Mark I was talking about the intercooler in front of the radiator. I'm going to use the Stewart pump programed by Lingenfelter for my LSA. My intercooler is the one C&R make for the 69 Camaro but I had them put 1" connections on it to match the pump. The cooling brick in the lid will still be factory size.

Stielow 04-06-2015 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 601380)
Thanks Mark I was talking about the intercooler in front of the radiator. I'm going to use the Stewart pump programed by Lingenfelter for my LSA. My intercooler is the one C&R make for the 69 Camaro but I had them put 1" connections on it to match the pump. The cooling brick in the lid will still be factory size.

The heat exchanger for the blower is 27 mm thick using the Denso high efficiency core.

The rad is 48 mm Denso high effciency core. Nice parts and in our testing the better cores are worth about 15% better heat rejection.

I looked at the Sewart pump and chose the lighter Pierburg pump from the ZR-1. Two of the C-7 Z06s would also work well.

waynieZ 04-06-2015 04:38 PM

Thank you Mark for checking for me!


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