Wow - - the shop turned out awesome!

I hate to see it when it's messy

X2

I thought what was in the pictures was organized...:goggles:

Fsae
 

The Camaro looks great! I was actually just in Michigan for the FSAE competition at MIS. I met a chassis engineer from GM that said he worked on the Z28. He was surprised when I knew who you were. I had to tell him you build some crazy hot rods.

You know you're the man when you can throw that kind of party with a turnout like that. See, I'd throw a party like that and 1 or 2 people would show up.:knock:

Car looks awesome, home/garages look awesome and the party looks like it was an great time. Very cool.
Thanks for sharing those photos!

Mark, what can you tell us about the other Camaro minus front clip outside? It looks blue.
Is that one also yours or a friends?

Look at page 68 and page 1.

Ah, I missed those clues.:EmoteClueless:

Thank you Casey


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Here is a few more photos of Gordon's. 67 Camaro. In this thread. https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41467

I don't think there is a build thread of Gordon's on Lateral-g. My 67 RS Camaro is in the same shop, but I never shot any photos of his build.

Jeff

PS. Looks good Mark.

Love the car! Absolute beautiful place you have there. Trees, grass, shop, house and all.:thumbsup:

mark can you tell me the advantages of your rear end

Sorry this will be a bit long so bear with me.

I wanted to add ABS to Red Devil when I built it. The first thing you need for ABS is good wheel speed sensors. I planned on using the DSE front sub frame so front wheel speed sensors were easy. DSE uses C-6 Corvette knuckles with bolt in C-6 hubs with built in wheel speed sensors. On Red Devil I started out with the DSE C-6 bearing in the front and a cobbled Mustang style Currie Tone ring set up in the back. Currie made this set up with the “Big Bearing” style axles and I modified all of it to work. See attached photo.


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The tone wheel set up would work for low speed stuff but would drop out under high speeds and load. My theory is above 100 MPH and over 1 G caused the air gap to change enough to set a fault code in the ABS module. At the 2010 OUSCI event it worked for the Auto Cross and the Speed Stop but dropped out on the road course. Intermittent ABS is almost as bad as no ABS. I had things I did not like about the tone wheel / “Big Bearing” set up:

Intermittent signal and signal drop outs
Rear axle seal leaks
Brake knock back
Poorly integrated park brake set up.

I needed to design something new. The stock front wheel bearing worked great. I set out to design a way to put a C-6 bearing on a Ford 9 inch. The setup I wanted to design would accept all the stock Corvette parts to make it robust. The bracket we designed allows the use of a C-6 ZR-1 Bearing, Stock C-6 park brake, Any C-6 brakes will bolt on and I made an axle seal system that does not leak.

The Delphi ABS system I use needs a passive wheel speed sensor the ZR-1 bearing uses active wheel speed sensors that work with the Bosch ABS system. I worked with SKF to make me one off ZR-1 SKF bearings with the passive wheel speed sensors.

In 2011 I installed this new axle set up in Red Devil and it works flawlessly:

No ABS signal drop outs
No brake knock back
No axle leaks
Robust park brake

The parts required to make it all work:

Steel Axle ends that weld to the Housing ends (DSE and Myself have fixtures now)
Aluminum Spacer (Sets up the proper spacing for the caliper offset)
C-6 Corvette Park brake parts
C-6 ZR-1 bearing (Off the shelf will work if you don’t have ABS)
Custom axles (Strange, Moser and Sway-A-Way have built them for me)
2013 Full Size truck axle seal (GM made millions of these so easy to get)
Corvette axle nut.

I have this parts running on Red Devil, Mayhem and my heavy test vehicle (Chris Smith’s C-10 pickup). Chris was having issues with brake knock back on his truck and this system fixed his problem in the rear. Now his is flexing his front uprights.

I originally designed this to fix my problem so I was not worried about cost because this stuff is all one off. I have lost track on how much CAD and design time I have in these parts. It looks simple but the devil is in the details. I have made a few parts and Kyle at DSE and I are working on selling them through Detroit Speed.

When we finalize the details I’ll let this community know.


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This is my third itteration with lightning pockets added. I'll use these on Hellfire.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscd1bf938.jpg

This is the alignment tool to set the steel bracket square to the housing.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps9f5fd0e2.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psd0928775.jpg

The Full Size Truck axle seal

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps7c6af04d.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscf9dcb14.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb5541a13.jpg

Thanks for sharing!


--Eric

This is Gordon Rojewski's '67. It is an orginal paint '67 out of the SW USA. Gordon has been working with Sled Alley to finish it up. It has the full DSE Chassis, A Thomson 700 HP 442 LS, D&D Perf 6 Speed. etc. All the good stuff. It also has some "Stielow" tweaks on it. Gordan and I have been good freinds for a long time. This car will be awsome when it is done later this summer. And yes he is leaving the paint.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps9ee4e432.jpg

Is the place next door to you for sale??


If so... HI NEIGHBOR!!


Think of all the fun WE could have with YOU doing all the work.

I've got a spare room and am just about 10 miles away. While Mark is doing the work you could teach me how to weld!

Hey Stielow, nice work. Would you be able to use the bearing set up without the parking brake once its for sale? I'm going to run a hydraulic parking brake so that's why I'm asking. Also would we be able to order the parts to adapt to our existing Ford 9" ( custom axle lengths of coarse)rear ends or have to purchase an entirely new set up. Once again top notch R&D

You can run it without the drum in hat C-6 Corvette park break. If you are swapping from a normal big bearing style set up to this the old ends can be cut off and these welded on.

Mark,

Thank you for sharing all you do.

Okay I am torn thinking about selling both of my cars to either buy the new Z28 or give Gordon all of cash for his car.

What, Charley hasn't bought it yet?!?!?! LOL

Killer Mark. I really like your design, and thanks for clarifying the hubs set-up :thumbsup:

Forgive my ignorance, but is this a full floater rear and floating caliper?

It is a floater with a fixed 4 piston rear caliper.

Mark, thanks for the pics of the rear hub setup. Have you put enough miles on one yet to see a bearing loosen up or is that a non issue?

thank you

We run a very similar SKF bearing on the CTS-V, ZL-1 and Z/28 and we have had very few issues with them. It was one of the parts on the Z/28 that needed no upgrades during development. One set lasted the 24 endurance run on the Z/28 and were still tight and we are still running them. The 24 hour test is a accumulated 24 hour run where we just swap brake pads and tires and run the car flat out on track for tank fills of fuel.

On Red Devil, Mayhem and Chris Smiths truck they all still have almost no backlash. They also require zero maintenance.

Over all it is one of the best parts I have ever designed.

Mark

"Over all it is one of the best parts I have ever designed"

and with that statement right there, you can pat yourself on the back!!!


not many can use that statement,

I was looking at the brake set up last night, very nice, well thought out,

as well as the rest of the car and shop,

Thanks. I was just curious if the bearing saw a different load at zero camber as opposed to negative camber on a the applications you listed.

Mark
I'm sure your more then busy with work,car,house,shop etc etc etc but, can you tell me is the "kit" going to be made to use on a 12 bolt? Or would it have to be modified?. Do you have any idea as to when DSE will be selling them? And finally cost. Reasons are I'm about to cut my factory rear end and was planning on using the gmr hybrid floater set up but I do like your set up more any help is greatly appreciated so in advance,
Thanks Ryan Austin

Mark,
Are the wheels powder coated? If so, would you happen to know what color that is called? By the way, LOVE everything about the car and shop!
Thanks

should work on your 12 bolt as well as long as you change over to the correct ford ends Mark used.

Well I'd prefer to not have ford parts lmao

Well it's. It not really a Ford part it's more of a Ford shape if it makes you feel better. It works for me.

Edit, it's not a ford based. The backing base is welded directly to the axle tube.

I am willing to bet it will be available as an option if when you buy a housing, similar to what SpeedTech offers.

Well I'm sure I'm not the only one on the side lines waiting on release date. " please put me on the list ASAP"
Mark will custom bearing be an option on the kit incase I wanted to run Delphi ABS?
Or maybe better question should be which unit is more readily available Delphi or bosh.
Congrats on a very well made product.

Glad to hear that! -- Very cool part for sure.

Is this bearing currently available over the counter or is this a special piece you are having made?

Coming from you, that's saying something! :brix:

I'll let Mark confirm, but I believe he stated that if you aren't going to run the ABS setup like he has, you can simply use the ZR1 part directly from GM.

[QUOTE=wiedemab;552750]Brandon I think you are correct. What Mark mentioned is that he special ordered a passive sensor hub to integrate into the GM ABS system he's using. The standard ZR1 hub, which is the big daddy of SKF's line up for GM, can be had at the dealer. It's an awesome peice.

Not to jump subject but could we get some pictures of the cage - it looks incredibly well tucked.

Did you use DOM? And the kick downs in the trunk are they re-enforced in anyway - I see one going to the DSE crossmember but the other is attached to what I think is welded sheet metal.

Also I think you need to convince DSE to add the cooling ducts as a subframe option.