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FETorino 07-05-2012 05:31 PM

This is where they separate the men from the boys.

It only seems logical to compete with modern day cars you need all the modern day car tricks. Just look at F1 and all the suspension control on those cars these days.

There are a lot of stellar builds on here but this one is on the leading edge and I'm sure many will be copying Marks ideas in the future.:D

Great stuff for progression of the hobby.

Flash68 07-05-2012 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 423023)
I'm sure many will be copying Marks ideas in the future.:D

That's quite an original thought. :lol:

FETorino 07-05-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 423024)
That's quite an original thought. :lol:

I should have said latest ideas.:rolleyes: I wonder if anyone else will ever build a first gen camaro as a Lat-G car.:rofl: :rofl:

badmatt 07-05-2012 06:17 PM

Mark,

Are you going to be selling these axle flanges and axle shafts?

Matt

57hemicuda 07-05-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 423012)
I'm using a C-6 Corvette Z06 ABS module pre-2008. The trick is the factory ABS wheel speed sensors on all four corners and tricking the ABS module to think it is still in a 2007 Corvette and it still connected to all it correct sensors. If you don't get all the sensor correct it will still work but works in a default cal that has lower ABS efficiency. If you don't get the wheel speed sensors and wiring correct the ABS will fault out at very inopportune times. The wheel speed signal error is a hard fault - the system stops working. This is the problem I had 2 years ago. Not all ABS systems and control strategies are created equal. Like the old debate on EFI on if Speed Density, Alpha-N or MAF systems were better. There are different ABS control strategies. So with all that said I mean if you get a 2002 Camaro 3 channel ABS system to work it will not be as good as a C-6 Corvette system. If you just want to keep from locking a tire that is easy. If you want to optimize stopping distance on split Mu (Dry concrete and Ice) that is harder.


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...l/DSC_4298.jpg

Note the new gun drilled (weight savings) Strange axles, revised axle end and new spacers. The steel and aluminum spacers were machined by my buddy Ken Tibor.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...l/DSC_3463.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...l/DSC_3877.jpg

Because the production ZR-1 SKF bearings are active wheel sensor I had SKF make me the SKF bearing with passive wheel speed sensors to work with the 2007 Delphi ABS module.

After a lot of debate with Brembo I chose to use the GTR Calipers over the GT Calipers. We had a lot of discussions like "How much HP? We’ll need to call back to Italy and get back to you" :D

So I went with Brembo's recommendation. Those brakes are not for the weak of heart or wallet. Due to my short development time line I don't have time to do a lot of experimentation with the brakes.

I have worked with the Brembo guys a bunch on other projects and I think this may be a bit over kill but they will work. I did size the system to work with the Delphi ABS system. The brakes on Red Devil worked very well and I just wanted to tweak the system a little to make it better.

With a lot of due care you can get ABS to work on an old hot rod. You just need to keep it happy with the correct sensors to make it work. I want to keep my ABS set up my competitive advantage for a while. Bosch does sell an aftermarket ABS system that is laptop programmable. So it is accessible technology to anyone with the budget or time to sort it out. I look at ABS, Stability Control and Performance Traction Management as the next thing for the aftermarket to crack into. Like EFI was 25 years ago only a few people could do it and few aftermarket company’s make systems and they were expensive. Now EFI is main stream and very easy to do. So I see chassis controls going that way in a few years.

Hey if it was easy everyone would be doing it....

If I can get the car out of paint jail I can start putting it together. (Paul and Joe are doing a great job) You can’t rush this quality of a paint job.

Mark

I know I've told you before Mark, but I'm still amazed by the simplicity, and ingenuity of this set up, and am mad I didn't think of it. LOL

Keep up the good work. Ron

GRob 07-06-2012 08:10 AM

Mark,

Fantastic build, and the components are the best of the best.

I'm surprised you don't have a bigger interest in an IRS setup for the rear, I think it'd be helpful particularly on bumpier corners, allowing you to get the power down sooner and keeping the car on line better.

Also, have you ever thought of a traction control system of some sort to also help you get the power down earlier?

formula88 07-07-2012 08:10 PM

Stielow's new powertrain being prepped for engine harness build.:D

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...7/DSC_5293.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...7/DSC_5296.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...7/DSC_5289.jpg

camcojb 07-07-2012 08:49 PM

Can't wait. :thumbsup:

clill 07-07-2012 09:09 PM

Stielow needs to get out in the sun more...And the dope helping him is confused because it isn't electric.

JohnC 07-08-2012 04:36 AM

Awesome. Thanks for the pics, Gordon.

John


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