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coolwelder62 09-29-2011 02:37 PM
Brian,Very cool.Decal's look awesome.:thumbsup:

protour73 09-29-2011 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 367438)
Just stunning Brian!!! I've watched this build from the beginning and it makes me proud to be a fellow 2nd Gen owner!!! You should be very proud!!

preston 09-30-2011 10:42 AM
Wow - can't believe this is the first time I saw this one either.

Love it. Your car is very similar in build style to mine. Its too bad you have competitive secrets it would be fascinating to discuss suspension setup.

Do you know how(or care to share) much your uprights weigh (no hubs) ?

Do you have any raw pictures of them with the brake mounts ? That was the only part I couldn't get a good angle on in the pictures. Looks like Maier did a good job of tucking that ball joint in. I have to run 9" BS on my front wheels to get down to 1/2" SR. It also looks like that design has very low SAI.

Although I'm a fan of going with complete new design, ie space frame and rack & pinion, there is something deeply satisfying about using the stock subframe and steering box in this car.

One thing that I wanted to bring to your attention - the clevis being used in the fabrication photos on the FLCA has been known to break, there are some examples on corner-carvers somewhere. That is in an exceptionally high load area too, I would encourage you to look at the beefier clevises available from Coleman that should fit in that same spot (3/8" gap, 5/8 or 3/4 thread).

Favorite build thread for awhile I love discovering these things, I've gotten so jaded over the years its hard for me to still get excited but this one did it for me.

Also, I never saw a rwhp figure - you mentioned the K&N brought up your power so I assume you chassis dynoed it at that point. Any graphs ? Oh wait, that data is probably a bit classified as well.

73CPCAMARO 09-30-2011 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by preston (Post 371889)
Wow - can't believe this is the first time I saw this one either.

Love it. Your car is very similar in build style to mine. Its too bad you have competitive secrets it would be fascinating to discuss suspension setup.

Do you know how(or care to share) much your uprights weigh (no hubs) ?

I do not know the weight of the uprights. They are not light as they are all steel. Maier Racing has since made them with billet aluminum. I may be installing them later. He currently has them on his car.

Do you have any raw pictures of them with the brake mounts ? That was the only part I couldn't get a good angle on in the pictures. Looks like Maier did a good job of tucking that ball joint in. I have to run 9" BS on my front wheels to get down to 1/2" SR. It also looks like that design has very low SAI.

I don't have any other photos....sorry.


Although I'm a fan of going with complete new design, ie space frame and rack & pinion, there is something deeply satisfying about using the stock subframe and steering box in this car.

I like the feel of the old style steering. That is why I went with it. The class rules also dictate the use of the stock subframe.


One thing that I wanted to bring to your attention - the clevis being used in the fabrication photos on the FLCA has been known to break, there are some examples on corner-carvers somewhere. That is in an exceptionally high load area too, I would encourage you to look at the beefier clevises available from Coleman that should fit in that same spot (3/8" gap, 5/8 or 3/4 thread).

Thank you for the heads up. We are all over it.


Favorite build thread for awhile I love discovering these things, I've gotten so jaded over the years its hard for me to still get excited but this one did it for me.

Thanks!

Also, I never saw a rwhp figure - you mentioned the K&N brought up your power so I assume you chassis dynoed it at that point. Any graphs ? Oh wait, that data is probably a bit classified as well.
I got 517 hp to the rear wheels. Not bad. No secret. :D

73CPCAMARO 10-04-2011 07:23 PM
Playing around with my photos and I kind of like this one.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1..._9449-Copy.jpg

Vince@Meanstreets 10-04-2011 07:56 PM
nice, I spy new spoiler?

73CPCAMARO 10-04-2011 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 372539)
nice, I spy new spoiler?

:_paranoid

GregWeld 10-04-2011 08:34 PM
Great -- super driver.... now super photographer... :willy: :D


It is a nice shot. I've always like black and whites.

73CPCAMARO 10-04-2011 08:41 PM
I wish I could take credit for the photo. I had a pro take a bunch of high quality shots when I was at Willow Springs. I just played with the colors,:D

See you at SEMA and OUSCI

Track Junky 10-04-2011 09:40 PM
Man this car is really nice!! Can you tell me what wheels those are?

73CPCAMARO 10-04-2011 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 372568)
Man this car is really nice!! Can you tell me what wheels those are?
Thanks!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1..._9449-Copy.jpg

The wheels are made by DPE.

http://dpe-wheels.com/

Track Junky 10-04-2011 09:55 PM
Thanks Brian, I'm in the market for some wheels and those are sweet!! If I'm lucky maybe they will have them in 17's.

73CPCAMARO 10-04-2011 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 372570)
Thanks Brian, I'm in the market for some wheels and those are sweet!! If I'm lucky maybe they will have them in 17's.
They only make 18"+. Mine are huge at 19" front and 20" rear. I went that big to get the biggest tire possible.

Track Junky 10-04-2011 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 372571)
They only make 18"+. Mine are huge at 19" front and 20" rear. I went that big to get the biggest tire possible.
I know, I just checked. Oh well.......I dont want to be paying the 18" tire prices so so far its looking like Forgeline GA3R's.

73CPCAMARO 10-09-2011 07:59 PM
I got one last autocross weekend before SEMA. The car is getting close. I still have a bit of understeer to get out. Here is in car camera with one of my runs.

Sieg 10-09-2011 10:22 PM
Looking good Brian! That motor sounds solid, the car has to be great fun to drive. :thumbsup:

Track Junky 10-09-2011 10:27 PM
Great vid Brian, understeer harder to see on vid than over steer. After watching the vid I spent alot of time going through your build thread. I was especially curious on what transmission you were using and the G-Force certainly helps keep the weight down. I didn't hear you shift in the vid and am curious what rear gears your running. Very inspiring build and your years of experience in the sport definitely show in your build. This pretty much has to be my favorite build ever!!:thumbsup:

Flash68 10-09-2011 11:38 PM
Brian, great vid. Thanks for posting. That looks like a great fun course layout. Wish I coulda made it down this weekend.

Car sounds great!:thumbsup:

SLO_Z28 10-10-2011 04:50 AM
3 of the OUSCI competitors were there, how did you stack up against each other?

Bow Tie 67 10-10-2011 05:01 AM
Brian,

How does it compare to the vette?

Cris@JCG 10-10-2011 06:51 AM
Brian- really looking forward to seeing your car @ Optima!

73CPCAMARO 10-10-2011 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bow Tie 67 (Post 373261)
Brian,

How does it compare to the vette?

Everything is faster in the Camaro compared to the Corvette...steering, throttle response and power. While the car is fairly easy to drive for me, I drove the Corvette for so long it was like an extension of me. I did not have to wonder at all how it was going to react to my inputs. I am still in learning mode and we are constantly making changes to the Camaro to get it dialed in. Out of the box, the Camaro was faster on the track and the gap is widening each time out.

Gandalf 10-10-2011 08:04 AM
Great looking run Brian - the car runs as hard as it looks! Awesome car - also looking forward to seeing it at Optima next month.

Gregg

73CPCAMARO 10-10-2011 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 373242)
Great vid Brian, understeer harder to see on vid than over steer. After watching the vid I spent alot of time going through your build thread. I was especially curious on what transmission you were using and the G-Force certainly helps keep the weight down. I didn't hear you shift in the vid and am curious what rear gears your running. Very inspiring build and your years of experience in the sport definitely show in your build. This pretty much has to be my favorite build ever!!:thumbsup:


It may be hard to see the understeer as I was kicking the rear end out to fight the understeer. The last turn before the finish you can see the understeer I was fighting.

I shifted two times. I ran most of the course in 1st gear and shifted to 2nd at the 29 second mark in the video and then back to 1st gear at the 33 second mark. 3:70 gears and a 2.49 1st and 2.0 2nd gear. The transmission makes a lot of noise, but it works great. Shifts are smooth and firm when you are driving the car hard.

Thanks,
Brian

89 RS 10-10-2011 09:57 AM
Brian, cool video...that thing is freakin' awesome! Definitely one of my favorite Camaro builds. I notice you have an XM/Sirius antennae mounted on the dash, do you have any problems with reception? (That's a good idea and never thought about putting one there.)

73CPCAMARO 10-10-2011 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 89 RS (Post 373304)
Brian, cool video...that thing is freakin' awesome! Definitely one of my favorite Camaro builds. I notice you have an XM/Sirius antennae mounted on the dash, do you have any problems with reception? (That's a good idea and never thought about putting one there.)
No stereo for me. The engine is music to my ears :D That is for the GPS speedometer. No problems with reception.

Flash68 10-10-2011 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 373292)
3:70 gears and a 2.49 1st and 2.0 2nd gear. The transmission makes a lot of noise, but it works great.
What a great 1st and 2nd gear combo. What are the rest of the ratios?

73CPCAMARO 10-10-2011 11:34 AM
2.49, 2.0, 1.49, 1.0. The first three are set up for autocross and 4th for freeway driving with the 3:70 rear. I can cruise on the freeway under 3000. I don't like the drop from 3rd to 4th on the road course, but I had to compromise. It drops down to 4700 rpm when I go from 3rd to 4th at redline. At least it has a lot of power there. I wish I could afford a 5 speed. Donations are accepted. :D

Flash68 10-10-2011 11:50 AM
Oh wow I thought that was a 5 speed. Your 3rd gear is near equal to my 2nd gear. I obviously chose the road course setup. Your 1st couple gears gotta be fun on the street too.

So your top speed in 4th should be just a tad above what most of the big boys hit on the straight at Spring Mtn I am guessing. Nice. :thumbsup:

89 RS 10-10-2011 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 373306)
No stereo for me. The engine is music to my ears :D That is for the GPS speedometer. No problems with reception.
My bad...I should've known better. That engine definitely is MUSIC.:D

70 gsconvt 10-10-2011 08:19 PM
Brian, I read you just ran in the exhibition class and blew away all the "class winners" times by a second or more. Nice. :thumbsup:

Vegas69 10-10-2011 09:03 PM
Man, you are hauling ASS!:thumbsup:

73CPCAMARO 10-10-2011 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 70 gsconvt (Post 373398)
Brian, I read you just ran in the exhibition class and blew away all the "class winners" times by a second or more. Nice. :thumbsup:
I was running Hoosier A6's at the time. Not quite fair, so it is hard to compare times. The group as a whole drove very good and we got as many runs as we wanted. I think a bunch got 15+ runs per day!

73CPCAMARO 10-10-2011 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SLO_Z28 (Post 373257)
3 of the OUSCI competitors were there, how did you stack up against each other?
Mike did not run his 66 Mustang as he needed to wrap up the CP championship, so he ran his CP car. Mary and I were pretty even over the weekend. We were in the same tenth on Saturday and I got her by .3 on Sunday. Overall, very close. I think we all have some sorting out to do, but we will be ready to shoot it out at OUSCI. :yes:

fleet 10-11-2011 09:24 PM
Very cool vid Brian.

I think your build will influence a number of people building cars they'll track. :thumbsup:

73CPCAMARO 10-24-2011 09:27 AM
On Friday we taped at Wilwood Brakes the install of upgraded calipers and rotors for the OUSCI. It was a great day!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...84611063_n.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...30981294_n.jpg

Rybar 10-24-2011 02:12 PM
Hey Brian, I just went through the entire thread. Am really sorry I never posted in it. This is a heck of a build and I would say definately you will be challenging for the Optima win this year as well as your friend Mike in the mustang.

:cheers:

camcojb 10-24-2011 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 373429)
I was running Hoosier A6's at the time. Not quite fair, so it is hard to compare times. The group as a whole drove very good and we got as many runs as we wanted. I think a bunch got 15+ runs per day!
Have you run the car with 200 treadwear tires yet?

73CPCAMARO 10-24-2011 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 375456)
Have you run the car with 200 treadwear tires yet?
I have been running 300 treadwear tires since mid-July. I have about 70 + autocross laps on them plus 6 open track sessions. I can't wear them out!

camcojb 10-24-2011 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 375479)
I have been running 300 treadwear tires since mid-July. I have about 70 + autocross laps on them plus 6 open track sessions. I can't wear them out!
:lol: perfect.


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