DSE you can use a factory f body oil pan also.
DSE you can use larger diameter headers, AME is my favorite but I really wish AME had a 1-7/8 header option over the 1-3/4 .

I have used and sold both DSE and AME, customer service with those 2 companys are very comparable.

I dont think a car has anymore value with DSE pats over others, Really it comes down to the whole build.

I have seen anything about Jakes frame , didnt know it was the best out there ?
Jake we need to talk about this frame.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/IMG_1246.jpg
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:yes: One of my favorite parts of my car. I agree with Stuart, the way they market themselves and the level of customer service absolutely helps a cars value in the future.

I love this picture...says more than a 1000 words:cheers:

It does look nice http://www.jakesrodshop.com/products.html

Lets hear what makes it the best?? Are there many out on the street, reliability, proven testing, track proven handling, have many people put hard miles on them yet? (not being negative just curious)

Thanks

Are there any other companies besides air ride and DSE testing there stuff just about every week? If I was on the fence about a sub frame, I would go to a Goodguys event and take a ride with DSE , first and second gen cars, on the autocross. Take a ride with Air Ride, same thing. Talk is cheap.

At least you could talk to the owner, designer, engineer and see it in action. What better way is there?

Putting quality parts with reliable ( going to be there for the long haul ) definately adds to the value of the car. When the prospective owner can pick up the phone and get confirmation by asking anyone in the know about a company, it's huge. Ridiculous to think otherwise.

[QUOTE=Stuart Adams;180118]Are there any other companies besides air ride and DSE testing there stuff just about every week? QUOTE]

Jake runs his test car hard and often on the track. There is some video footage out there. I would have considered his subframe if it had been on the market when I was buying.

Some of the video is here:
http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sho...ighlight=track


Don

JUST TO add to this what Blake also said is that his SUB is targeted toward people who "Already own aftermarket parts" So if your starting from scratch I would take the Speedtech sub off the options list.

I will be using the Jakes Rod shop total car system. As for what makes Jakes the best fit for me it boils down to a few things.

F First Jake is a great person to deal with. Key thing is person not company, marketing powerhouse or distribution leg humper that is trying to move product. He is available with his car. He will put you in it and let you thrash it and see for yourself. His customers have offered their cars to me as well (Twist Machine) beacause his products work and he is a top notch guy. His customers stand behind him. That speaks volumes for me.

Second he offers a total car solution of parts designed to work together. Specifically his torque arm suspension and roll cage. The sum of the parts......

Third is the front steer, lowered height (lower then all others) Bump steer... What bump steer... lightweight, C6 Componants (important to me beacuse my usage patter may require a few spares :-) Large C6 bearings to handle the Horiz load,,,

Man you just can't dispute DSE's performance and quality it speaks for it self. Like Stuart im a little bias . And look at those pics of Todds Camaro:thumbsup: Jason I do agree with what your saying also....
Mario

Looks like Mark Stielow is using an AME subframe in the Jackass build. Hard to argue with that vote of confidence.

https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=17744

Don

Stielow is also using a Detroit Speed sub in his blue bomber. Both the Morrison and Detroit units are great. On Jackass I want to use stock accessory drives and the Morrison unit allows that.