reason for urgent search for 4MuscleMachines (Frank)
 

Trey,

Hope you are well. In fairness to Frank (4MuscleMachines) - for now - I think it would be best to not provide many details just in case my facts are wrong. I would hate to throw someone under the bus based on inaccurate information. Having said that, I can tell you Frank has not responded to 7 emails, 12 voice mails, 4 PM's and this thread all simply asking him to return a phone call. I also know 2 other parties are chasing as aggressively because of the same issue.

Plus, I think the moderators have been pretty understanding and I would not want them to lock this thread if it becomes too personal as I am hoping this thread (and the several other ways I am trying to reach Frank) will cause him to surface.

I hope all of this is cleared up soon. If not, and moderators willing, I will post the sorted details of this mess so as to prevent anyone else from finding themselves in the situation I am in.

Take care,
Chris

MusclecarJohn
 

John,

Good to hear from you. And yea, I too hope this works out. As for what I am working on these days........I am just working. No time for anything else. In this economy I am not complaining but I am tired of the 60+ hour weeks.

Take care,
Chris

Here is the story on 4MuscleMachines - Frank Lopez
 

Lat-G colleagues,

Hope everyone is well. After weeks of monitoring this thread in hopes of reaching Frank (4MuslceMachines) he has not surfaced. I have also left 10's of voice mails and sent even more PM's and emails. All with no reply from Frank. So, I wanted to share with you the situation that is behind all of this, not to slam Frank (he has done that already to himself I have learned), but to hopefully keep any other Lat-G members from being taken by Frank.

As many of you may recall I was selling my 64 Chevelle back in Sept. Frank contacted me and offered to trade me his low mileage Z06 Vette, plus extras, plus shipping for the Chevelle. Since I was unable to show the Chevelle as much as I wanted (awesome car) I decided to accept Franks proposal. As I normally do, I worked with a leasing company to handle the paperwork on the deal. After Frank and I had finalized the terms of the deal and were about to trade cars, another Lat-G member jumped into the mix and this became a 3-way deal. Long story short, I would receive Frank's Z06 plus extras, the 3rd Lat-G member would receive the Chevelle and Frank would receive a large sum of cash from the 3rd Lat-G member. All seemed fine until the leasing company informed me and the 3rd Lat-G member that FRANK STILL OWED ON THE Z06!. That is the rub here. Frank told everyone, including the leasing company, he owned the Z06 outright but in fact the car was not paid for. Since learning this little pearl of information the leasing company, the 3rd Lat-G member and I have been chasing Frank and he does not want to be found. The matter is now in the hands of legal authorities who are traveling to TX. to see Frank. Before you say it; yes, the leasing company has some culpability here and to their credit they are accepting their share and are heading up the legal efforts.

Take care,
Chris

Where we are now
 

James,

I have the Z06 but cannot register nor drive it because I do not have the title. I have had the car for nearly 5 months. The 3rd Lat-G member has the Chevelle but has the same registration problems I do because the title transfer for the Chevelle is tangled up with the lien on the Z06. So in summary, Frank has the cash and me and the 3rd lat-G member have cars we cannot drive, sell or do much with. pretty bad deal. But, The leasing company is (finally) moving pretty aggressivly on Frank so hopefully we will see some progress soon. Plus, there are always the karma police...........

Chris

Sorry to hear all this. How much money is owing on the Z06?

Don

Chris,

Sorry to hear about the raw deal. I hope you and the 3rd Lat G member both get a fair hand shake out of this.

Out of curiosity and I guess self education, how does the leasing company come into play on these deals. Are they sort of like a Title company or Escrow company (real estate terms sorry). Does the leasing company have any liability in this issue? Were they suppose to make sure the title on the Z06 was free and clear?

Either way, it would suck to have a Z06 sitting in the garage for 5 months and not be able to drive it. That would just kill me

replies related to Frank's lien
 

Don,

I am not sure exactly how uch is owed on the Z06 but I believe it is a lot. Certainly more than a few thousand. My guess is he owes in excess of 40K if not more. On top of that, Frank will have to pay for all of the legal fees, travel, etc. associated with finding him and lifting the lien. That will not be cheap.

Rick,

As for the leasing company....since (I used to) buy \ sell cars often working with a friend at a leasing company - who has since left - added a layer of security when aquiring a car from across the country, often sight unseen. We would have a binding sales contract in place before the title was set to the leasing company, then the money was transferred then the car was shipped. In this case, which was the first case since my buddy left the leasing company, the process was not followed otherwise we would have canceled the deal. So, the leasing company does have and has accepted much of the responsibility for this mess and are paying for it by hiring attorny's, traveling to TX., etc.

Chris

NOT true, I have been in Monterrey for the last 2.5 weeks and in South TX for the last 5 days. I purchased the car from a Texas Senators son and paid for it at his bank. There is no lien on the car. Chris has spread many falsehoods but the reality is he was the one not available for SWCHOPPER, Jason.

It is late right now, I'm tired, I'm very sick, so I will post what I just finished responding to Chris and Jason (mostly in response to Chris). Moderators, this is not right. I had no chance to defend myself. This issue was cause by Chris and his piece of crap leasing company. NOBODY EVER CONTACTED ME UNTIL THE LAST TWO WEEKS OR SO. My personal cell phone was left at home accidentally and my work phone as with me. I never got any calls on my work phone. My son visited the forums I visit just as he has always done with me in the past. NEVER DID I AVOID ANY CALLS.

HERE ARE MY 3 RESPONSES:
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Chris and Jason, I have been in Monterrey selling some assets (commercial space) for over two weeks. I returned five days ago but I have been on a small vacation. I am not hiding from you guys. I assure you there is no lien on the car. IMPOSSIBLE. PERIOD. I can prove it. NOBODY has ever contacted me from Dalco until last week when I was out.

I have the title to the car. It is under the first owners name, but is free and clear. The title transfer company went out of business and never transfered the title in my name. I was in San Antonio the last few days verifying this. This is the first time I read your PMs. I still only heard a few of your voice mails but not all of them due to me being very busy. MY PERSONAL RECORD IS IMPECCABLE.

I purchased the car from the son of a former Texas State Senator so I am sure there is no lien. I also spoke to the bank before paying cash for the car to ensure there was no lien. THERE IS NO LIEN. I have been very busy with selling some assets in Monterrey.

My email is [email protected], my address you listed is correct, my work cell is 956-xxx-xxxx, my personal cell (which I did not have with me) is 956-xxx-xxxx. I now have my personal cell, it was left at home. I will be available any time after 3pm CST. I can prove to you guys there is NO LIEN. Don't worry, I don't BS, Vince knows me as well (I don't know what you mean by dealings with him, I only traded a car with him IN PERSON). We met halfway in New Mexico.

Frank

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response #2
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I just called you but no answer. I left a detailed message. I am not hiding so please do not threaten. Jason, there is no lien on the car. Chris, I am sure you are saying this because you are thinking I was avoiding you. I was not. DAMN, nobody ever called the guy who was doing it for me. I am sure of this. Dalco never even called me until last week. I never heard of the bank you mention. Chris, you never followed up on this and look what it snowballed into.

Guys, I have proof of no lien. I will supply it to you tomorrow evening. I'm tired, it's late, I am very sick with bronchitis, so I am not getting up early for something which I know is false. There is no lien.

FRank
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response #3
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Damn Chris, stop the nonsense about there being a lien on the car, there is none. Jason, I promise this is false. It will be evident when I provide the proof to you.

Chris, I always was in contact with Jason so please do not provide false info. The only time I did not answer any calls or PM's was just recently and only because I live on the border and do business in Mexico. THAT'S WHY I LIVE HERE!

Chris, you were the one that disappeared and Jason couldn't locate you. Chris, I know you have my address, HECK, I GAVE IT TO YOU!

Jason, Chris never even asked how the Z06 was optioned or for pics. Only when the deal was done and only when I asked him he should know more about the car did he express any interest. Chris you seeked me out, I did not go looking for you. I am not a scammer and I don't believe you are one as well, but don't be spreading falsehoods.
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Moderators, this thread should be deleted after I provide you with the correct info. I can provide all the proof you need. Just let me know what you need. I AM SO PISSED right now. Look at all the other boards around the net. I have the same username and my record is impeccable. I don't hide or scam anybody.

I just counted the voice mails, there are six. Chris, you need to be accurate, and how can you say you have facts and then say something different.

FRACK, I leave on business and you guys run around like chickens without heads and then blame it on me. Remember Chris, as does Jason, you were the one not found. Only until three weeks ago, did the ball start rolling again for you guys. I have been around here all the time.