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Fastbowtie 04-02-2009 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 205116)
spring pocket is lower than the stock requiring the taller spring.

If you had a understeer problem before you put the uppers on, you are going to be pleasantly surprised how well the car will drive now. The decreased spring rate will help the ride as well.

Can't wait to hear your feedback.


Payton are you running this exact set up? Heres what happen today:

DSE just sent me stock height springs for a 2" drop. I don't really understand why Kyle would tell them to order that. The set I was running before were 2" drop Hotchkis with stock LCA's which put me right at the level I wanted. What I can't understand is why would Stock height DSE springs be the right height with the DSE LCA's. Is anybody running this set up for the 68 camaro? The springs measure 16" 470 lbs. The Hotchkis springs I was running are 12.25" 600 lbs and I have a set of super stock springs that measure 15.5" 250 lbs.

lil427z 04-02-2009 06:45 PM

dse, parts are made to work together.
rick k:thumbsup:

Fastbowtie 04-03-2009 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lil427z (Post 205604)
dse, parts are made to work together.
rick k:thumbsup:

I understand that part Rick. But if you were going for a 2" drop wouldn't you use your 2" drop spring? The car was able to move before I removed the Hotchkis springs which means it wasn't right on top of the wheel well. So I figured I would need at least an inch of space. Using DSE's 2" drop I would think that they would have the extra spring matieral for the 1/2" deeper pocket which in the end would be the right height.

7TSS 04-03-2009 10:41 AM

It's probably related to the spring rate. I think the Hotchkis springs compress less due to the higher rate therefore needing a shorter uncompressed length.

Fastbowtie 04-03-2009 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7TSS (Post 205704)
It's probably related to the spring rate. I think the Hotchkis springs compress less due to the higher rate therefore needing a shorter uncompressed length.

You may be right I will install these tonight and see what happens. I hope it works out.

I am also talking with Landrum Spring right now too.

Payton King 04-03-2009 12:09 PM

This is a guess
 
as I am not running the same set up as you....but I bet there is a 2 inch drop built into the lower control arm (where the spring mounts) as compared to a stock control arm. It it was not the 2 inch drop springs you had would have worked. If the spring pocket in the lower control arm is 2 inches deeper a stock height spring would give you a 2 inch drop. I am guessing you were getting about a 4 inch drop with the others + the DSE lower from what you describe. I am sure it looked cool. LOL

Fastbowtie 04-03-2009 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 205719)
as I am not running the same set up as you....but I bet there is a 2 inch drop built into the lower control arm (where the spring mounts) as compared to a stock control arm. It it was not the 2 inch drop springs you had would have worked. If the spring pocket in the lower control arm is 2 inches deeper a stock height spring would give you a 2 inch drop. I am guessing you were getting about a 4 inch drop with the others + the DSE lower from what you describe. I am sure it looked cool. LOL


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...e/P1010001.jpg

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Fastbowtie 04-03-2009 09:34 PM

DSE Success!!!
 
OK OK, I was wrong I owe Kyle, Stacy, and Dan and appolgy for doubting them. The car is now sitting correct. The springs look like their dropping already after a quick ride with my 2 buddies and myself. I will post pics after the washing and the quick drive before I go to alignment shop. Thanks again for everybodys help!

P.S. Payton so far your right too. I've only take a couple of hard turns with it but it seems to be sticking quite well and no bump steer (weird).:thumbsup:
:hail:

Fastbowtie 04-09-2009 04:45 AM

DSE Springs Installed
 
OK, I expect it to drop more. I have about 100 miles on them right now.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...e/P1010002.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...e/P1010009.jpg

Before
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...e/P1010042.jpg

After
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...e/P1010010.jpg

ProTouring442 04-09-2009 05:28 AM

Looks NICE!!!!! I now have the "M-A-N" song from Better Off Dead going through my head!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill


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