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Originally Posted by Bowtieracing (Post 210501)

I love facts as well... And simple fact is ; more guns you have , more shootings you have. It has nothing to do how many people live in california. I guess there little bit more people in Europe.. and no problems with guns at all. That is a fact.

Uh, not really... do you actually think criminals care about gun laws? All you end up doing is disarming the law abiding people.

Let me go find how the incidents of "hot burglaries" goes way up once the populace is told they can't have guns (ie, London). After all, a crook doesn't care if he breaks in while the people are home if he knows they are unarmed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...s-dungeon.html

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But the trouble is that this kind of burglary - the kind most likely to go "wrong" - is now the norm in Britain. In America, it's called a "hot" burglary - a burglary that takes place when the homeowners are present - or a "home invasion", which is a much more accurate term. Just over 10 per cent of US burglaries are "hot" burglaries, and in my part of the world it's statistically insignificant: there is virtually zero chance of a New Hampshire home being broken into while the family are present. But in England and Wales it's more than 50 per cent and climbing. Which is hardly surprising given the police's petty, well-publicised pursuit of those citizens who have the impertinence to resist criminals.

More...

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgbur.html

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By comparing criminal victimization surveys from Britain and the Netherlands (countries having low levels of gun ownership) with the U.S., Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck determined that if the U.S. were to have similar rates of "hot" burglaries as these other nations, there would be more than 450,000 additional burglaries per year where the victim was threatened or assaulted. (Britain and the Netherlands have a "hot" burglary rate near 45% versus just under 13% for the U.S., and in the U.S. a victim is threatened or attacked 30% of the time during a "hot" burglary.)

So, in the "gun free" utopia I guess you have a lesser chance of being shot and a way greater chance of just being robbed, beaten, raped or otherwise assaulted in your own home? Gotta love the facts :)

Crime in US going down.. in Europe going up?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...1/266umtwb.asp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1760781.stm

Take away the guns.. and just get stapped... (do people actually think there was less violence before the invention of the gun?)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7508418.stm

There's lots more.. but you get the idea. For some humans violence is in thier nation and having a gun just makes them more effieciant but no more dangerous. Having good law-abiding people armed has shown to reduce overall crime, it's a fact. Again, gun laws only effect those that want to obey the law and those are the people (generally) that you don't need to worry about. :)

On my remark about CCWs lowering crime... (conceled weapon permits)

note, not an unbiased site.. but the idea is sound:

http://www.azccw.com/More%20Facts%20&%20Statistics.htm

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2...ers/135349.txt

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According to the FBI, states with ``shall-issue'' right-to-carry laws have a 26 percent lower total violent crime rate, a 20 percent lower homicide rate, a 39 percent lower robbery rate and a 22 percent lower aggravated assault rate than those states that do not allow their citizens to legally carry guns

There are many links but unfortunatly most sites are either rabidly anti-gun or crazy the other direction.. but all the FBI stats I found show that relaxed CCW laws in states resulted in a drop in overall violent crime.

Again, the problem isn't the guns, it's who has the guns. For anyone that thinks outlawing guns will help then think about this.. are drugs illegal? yep, but that doesn't stop tons from being smuggled into the US. If they can bring in tons of drugs then bringing in "illegal" guns would be easy. And what criminal wouldn't love having a firearm when facing an unarmed population?

Just food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 210529)

On my remark about CCWs lowering crime... (conceled weapon permits)

There are many links but unfortunatly most sites are either rabidly anti-gun or crazy the other direction.. but all the FBI stats I found show that relaxed CCW laws in states resulted in a drop in overall violent crime.

I agree totally Steve. Here in Murray (Kentucky) literally 50% of the people I know carry a weapon either on their person or in their vehicle. Our county has a huge problem with meth and marijuana but no one ever gets broken into while they are at home and home burglaries as a whole are very low. I can not remember the last time an innocent person has been assaulted or robbed.

I asked one of my friends on the police force why he thought this was and he said "All our criminals grew up around here, they know everyone is more than capable of defending themselves, for the criminals its a self preservation thing."

I carry and am proud of it. I only laugh at people who make outrageous statements about gun crime and act like they know more about the topic when they have never actually had any firearm education (my girlfriend's sister). I then very calmly guide them to a computer and show them the information on Great Britain and that usually changes their tune right away.

i fully agree with andy(marine71)

as far as any gun control goes its f-in stupid and youll rack your brain trying to figure out how anyone can actually think its a good idea and help the problem, yeah... since most crimes a commited with legal registered gun!:lol:

criminals dont obide by the law now what the hell makes you thinks they follow by that one. if that was the case we wouldnt have drug problems.

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Originally Posted by Marine71 (Post 210701)

Well I can tell you why...When people commit a crime in Europe they punish them a little bit more .. Our country is liberal. They slap the bad guy on the hand and slip through the cracks of our nice judicial system.If you don't believe me go ask a cop. They arrest the same people everyday for the same stuff. Its the revolving door. This is a fact. Same goes for Drug smuggling..Here you get probation ..In Laos you get the firing squad...When you spray paint a wall here you get probation..In Singapore you get the cane..If you steel here you get probation. In Saudi Arabia you get your hand taken off. Look at all those countries crime statistics..Frikin Low..I know for a fact in Saudi Arabia that they announce who they beheaded for the day for the following crimes on the news..this gets the point across. If we did that here we wouldnt have a crime problem. If your a terrorist in a jail here in America that has plotted to kill Americans you get 3 hots and a cot. And we are worried about waterbourning? Its a joke..I guess we forgot about 911 and that those Terrorists flew 2 planes into the twin towers. You go ask anyone who served in Iraq if they forgot or the families who had loved ones in those buildings. I will never forget what happened. Far as i am concerned those confirmed terrorists that we have in Cuba are taking up to much air.

Amen brother...Amen. :thumbsup: