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Originally Posted by Neil B (Post 629574)

How in the world would they police it? I know when I converted my Fox body Mustang into a full-on road race car, I stopped renewing the registration. No registration, no smog checks, no nothing. And that was in California. I would think a PT car that is registered and licensed would have to pass smog no matter what, even today.

Negative. No emissions here in majority of N. Ga. and a lot of southeast as well.

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Originally Posted by Che70velle (Post 629578)

Negative. No emissions here in majority of N. Ga. and a lot of southeast as well.

Exactly. It is even less policeable in areas of the country with no smog check.

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 629580)

Who's Beyonce?

One of two women I'd leave my wife for. :innocent:

I'm no lawyer and don't claim to understand government interaction in our daily lives, but whether or not a big or small group would be effected by this enforcing, giving the EPA any power to regulate our hobby would restrict racing in the future to some degree and lets them get a foot in the door for further regulation.

My 79 Cutlass came with a cat which "fell off" many moons ago. My son's 78 Cutlass came with a cat and an air pump, both also fell off. So despite our area not requiring an emissions test, it seems according to the EPA neither car should be allowed to drive on the road or a race track.

What about late model race cars? According to what I've read even reflashing the computer because you changed your exhaust system or cam or whatever is illegal. Imagine what people are doing with late model muscle cars to run in certain race classes. Apparently every bit illegal and the vehicle's owners at any point could be fined. What??

I reiterate what has been said, if this wasn't something we should be concerned about then why is SEMA getting involved in a very active way? My guess is it's costly for them to get involved so if they're willing to spend the cash and time to push back against the EPA then we should probably keep an eye on it too.

I signed the petition as well, I prefer dogs over cats and so does my car. ;) Speedtech as a group supports SEMA's decision to make sure the EPA's intentions won't lead to restricting what we do.

The issue really is we have a law created to give another revenue stream for the government that doesn't have the resources to enforce the laws they have on the book currently. Plus the laws are written by people that really have no idea what they are really talking about. They write laws based on stereo types not facts. Most race engines put out a pretty good emissions level as they have to run good to be race engines. To a point.

But the EPA created laws for the diesel trucks they could not even prove worked or even come close to enforcing. It was really funny. If you have the sticker on your truck its approved. The sticker just says you had the particulate filter put on. But the filter makes the truck run so bad its will always be in the shop. Now they have guys who get dummy filters and just run the sticker. They created a huge black market and the government does nothing to enforce as they have no way of doing it with their system. This was the whole reason I sold my Big Rig a few years ago.

Its just another way to try and get more money. Some how. If its not this one this week, next week will be something else next week.

Right now the issue is not if or how they would enforce such a law. There are specific steps that must be taken before enforcement becomes an issue. First step is that the EPA has to have the law in place before they can work on enforcement.

You may feel safe thinking that the EPA cannot track a street car that has been converted to a racecar because it has not been registered for many years. But the fact of the matter is they don't need to track these cars. Consider this, all they would have to do is send a single enforcement agent to any Saturday night drag race at any drag strip USA where it would be a simple matter to determine which racecars were built from former street cars. Picture a person who looks like any other spectator just roaming the pits looking under cars and under hoods to determine what cars are equipped with emissions systems and which are not. Guess what, this person comes up to your car while you're changing plugs between rounds and looks under the hood, the next thing you know, YOU'RE BUSTED! This is not rocket science people, once the law is in place, make no mistake, they can and will find ways to enforce it.

We need to add our voices to the fight now, not later!

If you have not done so yet, sign the SEMA petition! It's the least you can do to protect your car hobby. Despite what some say, the White House does take notice of these petitions and the more people who sign the more attention it attracts.
http://semasan.com/page.asp?content=aa2016FED1&g=SEMAGA

If you are not already a member, join the SEMA Action Network. SAN is to car people, what NRA is to gun people and, again, numbers matter. Be an informed car enthusiast!
http://semasan.com/page.asp?content=startpage&g=semaga

It is funny that you chose to compare to the NRA because that is the way this whole thing reads to me.

"The NRA says the Gubmint is comin to take our guns"

"The SEMA says the gubmint is comin to take our racecars"

SEMA does a lot of great things, but fear mongering isn't one of them.

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Originally Posted by TheJDMan (Post 629599)

Right now the issue is not if or how they would enforce such a law. There are specific steps that must be taken before enforcement becomes an issue. First step is that the EPA has to have the law in place before they can work on enforcement.

You may feel safe thinking that the EPA cannot track a street car that has been converted to a racecar because it has not been registered for many years. But the fact of the matter is they don't need to track these cars. Consider this, all they would have to do is send a single enforcement agent to any Saturday night drag race at any drag strip USA where it would be a simple matter to determine which racecars were built from former street cars. Picture a person who looks like any other spectator just roaming the pits looking under cars and under hoods to determine what cars are equipped with emissions systems and which are not. Guess what, this person comes up to your car while you're changing plugs between rounds and looks under the hood, the next thing you know, YOU'RE BUSTED! This is not rocket science people, once the law is in place, make no mistake, they can and will find ways to enforce it.

We need you to add our voices to the fight now, not later!

If you have not done so yet, sign the SEMA petition! It's the least you can do to protect your car hobby. Despite what some say, the White House does take notice of these petitions and the more people who sign the more attention it attracts.
http://semasan.com/page.asp?content=aa2016FED1&g=SEMAGA

If you are not already a member, join the SEMA Action Network. SAN is to car people, what NRA is to gun people and, again, numbers matter. Be an informed car enthusiast!
http://semasan.com/page.asp?content=startpage&g=semaga

Agreed 100% - Whether they know what their talking about or not does not matter when the time comes for them to enforce. I signed the petition this morning and they have gotten almost 45k in signatures since then just today.

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Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift (Post 629602)

You completely missed the point. The NRA is effective in it's lobbying effort due to the large numbers of it's membership. The same principal applies to SAN. Numbers matter, JOIN SAN!
http://semasan.com/page.asp?content=startpage&g=semaga